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Kristallnacht : A warning from history
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a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite
And unless all Muslims are part of ISIS, then how is it right to condemn all of them for what the radicals do, when others do the same in the name of their religion, and it's barely noticed.
And unless all Muslims are part of ISIS, then how is it right to condemn all of them for what the radicals do, when others do the same in the name of their religion, and it's barely noticed.
a reply to: Zaphod58
I'm not sure where anyone said that was Okay???
I've read this whole thread????
Strange...
My point was about beheadings?
Any comment on that?
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
I'm not sure where anyone said that was Okay???
I've read this whole thread????
Strange...
My point was about beheadings?
Any comment on that?
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
a reply to: tadaman
I repeat, the irony is going over your head. You say its not similar when it is, just the positions are swapped.
Jewish bankers ruin German lives, Muslim extremist take innocent lives. Germans claim their increased persecution of the lot is justified, Americans claim their hatred of Islam is justified. Both groups say "but it's different from last time, because this time there actually is a threat". Both groups are WHOLLY convinced their spot is threatened.
I am not shocked by any sort of human nature, because I have seen both the cruellest and the most compassionate acts, from the same people. I mean, Hitler himself loved animals so much he was a vegetarian!
I repeat, the irony is going over your head. You say its not similar when it is, just the positions are swapped.
Jewish bankers ruin German lives, Muslim extremist take innocent lives. Germans claim their increased persecution of the lot is justified, Americans claim their hatred of Islam is justified. Both groups say "but it's different from last time, because this time there actually is a threat". Both groups are WHOLLY convinced their spot is threatened.
I am not shocked by any sort of human nature, because I have seen both the cruellest and the most compassionate acts, from the same people. I mean, Hitler himself loved animals so much he was a vegetarian!
originally posted by: semperfortis
a reply to: Zaphod58
It's liable to stay different until Christians and Jews start beheading people that don't agree with them, in the name of their religion...
Everyone has the freedom of religion and belief, no matter what radical minorities may exist within any one religion.
That said, i can point to Jewish Zionists who go off and kill Palestinians in the West Bank, only because their book tells them that the land is rightfully theirs.
I can point to Anders Breivik, who killed 77 people and injured hundreds more. He believed himself to be a Christian Crusader.
The point is, there are always extreme minorities who kill for their religion. Islam is no different. And in saying that, it is inherently unfair to generalise all Muslims for the actions of radical Islamists. Else, we would have to generalise all Jews for the actions of murderous Zionists, and all Christians for the actions of a self-appointed Christian Crusader.
edit on 28-9-2014 by daaskapital because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: daaskapital
AND I was saying that the comparison is not logical or true IMO.
Radical Muslims ARE engaged in terrible acts where as the Jews were not.
And this is the point many of us are trying to get through to people. RADICAL MUSLIMS. Not all Muslims. Not MOST Muslims. Unless you are of the belief that all Muslims are radicals. Thus the comparison is valid. Peaceful Muslims slandered.... as peaceful Jews were slandered.
originally posted by: semperfortis
a reply to: Zaphod58
It's liable to stay different until Christians and Jews start beheading people that don't agree with them, in the name of their religion...
But thats not the point of the OP, is it?
The point of the OP, explained a different way is this.
People who go into schools and use guns to shoot people are inhuman.
Does that mean all people with guns are inhuman?
No. It doesn't. But trying to make out that they all are, and spreading fear, lies and propaganda that they all are is simply wrong. I know full well that you are a responsible firearms holder, as are the majority of people who own them and they don't deserve to be demonised for that - but if the trend of demonising becomes common place, and mainstream, then it is a slippery slop and there is a huge problem.
See where I'm coming from?
originally posted by: Richay699
a reply to: daaskapital
May i enquire to your ideological affiliation?
Left/liberal etc....
Richay
I don't identify with any one ideology on the spectrum...
edit on 28-9-2014 by daaskapital because: (no reason given)
a reply to: semperfortis
I didn't say you did say that. But it sure as hell comes across that if you're a radical Christian, you can do anything and it's all about how one person doesn't define a religion. If you're Muslim, you're condemned whether you're moderate or not.
Yes radical Muslims behead people, are there suddenly differing degrees to murder? Gunning someone down in church, in front of his family is bad, but beheading is EVIL.
I didn't say you did say that. But it sure as hell comes across that if you're a radical Christian, you can do anything and it's all about how one person doesn't define a religion. If you're Muslim, you're condemned whether you're moderate or not.
Yes radical Muslims behead people, are there suddenly differing degrees to murder? Gunning someone down in church, in front of his family is bad, but beheading is EVIL.
a reply to: neformore
Of course I do..
But there is a separation between killing and the animalistic behavior of these radicals..
I have seen killing, as you know more than most, but this is a special kind of animal here.
We have to be careful and not become apologists
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Of course I do..
But there is a separation between killing and the animalistic behavior of these radicals..
I have seen killing, as you know more than most, but this is a special kind of animal here.
We have to be careful and not become apologists
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
a reply to: semperfortis
The thing is, Christians and Jews dont behead because its not outlined in their holy books as a method of humane death. In the past, it was the fastest way to kill - medieval executioners with the guillotine, ya know? The slow sawing method used by ISIS is just for cruelty, and they convince each other its justified because it is technically beheading.
My point though, Christians and Jews, and hell Muslims and atheists too, prefer to just bomb the living # out of people they disagree with, or shoot them with M16s. Sometimes we throw in some napalm, white phosphorous, hellfire missiles, or depleted uranium rounds too.
Again, address my point: muslim extremists execute hundreds of innocent people. We bomb 500,000 CIVILIANS in Iraq alone. We are considered moderates. Why did they do their heinous deeds? Religion? Why did we do ours? Resources? Does it even matter, if you are the family member of a casualty?
The thing is, Christians and Jews dont behead because its not outlined in their holy books as a method of humane death. In the past, it was the fastest way to kill - medieval executioners with the guillotine, ya know? The slow sawing method used by ISIS is just for cruelty, and they convince each other its justified because it is technically beheading.
My point though, Christians and Jews, and hell Muslims and atheists too, prefer to just bomb the living # out of people they disagree with, or shoot them with M16s. Sometimes we throw in some napalm, white phosphorous, hellfire missiles, or depleted uranium rounds too.
Again, address my point: muslim extremists execute hundreds of innocent people. We bomb 500,000 CIVILIANS in Iraq alone. We are considered moderates. Why did they do their heinous deeds? Religion? Why did we do ours? Resources? Does it even matter, if you are the family member of a casualty?
edit on 28-9-2014 by Ridhya because: (no reason given)
a reply to: Zaphod58
If I did not say it, I did not intend it
Please don't assume you know what I am thinking. If unclear, ask I will explain..
That is a problem in this whole thread..
People are making assumptions on things never said or intended. Adding to what someone says is never a good idea
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
If I did not say it, I did not intend it
Please don't assume you know what I am thinking. If unclear, ask I will explain..
That is a problem in this whole thread..
People are making assumptions on things never said or intended. Adding to what someone says is never a good idea
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
originally posted by: semperfortis
We have to be careful and not become apologistsAs an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
Who's apologising? I've seen that come up a few times here - no one has.
originally posted by: semperfortis
a reply to: Zaphod58
It's liable to stay different until Christians and Jews start beheading people that don't agree with them, in the name of their religion...
No. We just bomb the hell out out them. Much bigger body count but not as terrifying as a beheading.
a reply to: Zaphod58
Yes..
As thinking people we have to look at intent, extent and motivations
Gunning someone down in church, in front of his family is bad, but beheading is EVIL.
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Yes..
As thinking people we have to look at intent, extent and motivations
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.