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A number of American conservatives hate the world

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posted on Dec, 7 2004 @ 05:11 PM
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Since there's a thread about how, apparently, Liberals hate America, I thought it was only fair (especially not being an American) to post a thread with the flipside - which is that a number of American conservatives seem to hate or despise the rest of the world, especially those countries that don't happen to give their blessing to anything the U.S. does.

Obviously, the greatest example is France. No matter what may have happened with the Oil-for-food scandal, instead of hating French politicians, some Americans have taken to hating the French as a whole.

Which leads to other aberrations, such as despising Canada (as Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson so deftly do) because A) some of us speak French, and B) because apparently, since we're getting help from the U.S. in the area of defense and protection, we shouldn't bark unless they ask us to... and disagreeing is apparently a big no-no.

Others... Germany, Russia, Spain (obviously - they put an evil Socialist in power and he took the Spanish armies out of Iraq, what a lot of Spaniards were demonstrating for anyway), Mexico (for various reasons - the illegal immigrants, but also Fox's stance against the war)...

So this basically means that conservatives have a problem with half of the G8...

Of course, since those foreign-policy conservatives can't be wrong (they keep talking about the "truth" they hold), it's all these other countries' fault.




posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 12:06 AM
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I'm sure alot of conservatives do feel that way, but I assure you that at least I don't. I disagree with the government of those countries, perhaps very strongly, but I'm mature enough not to take it personally with the people of either of those countries.

Over-all I would say (and it's just my opinion) conservatives/right-wingers have a more... dare I say realistic view of the world? One in which they understand that most countries wouldn't hesitate to take down the US if they had the chance? They could be wrong of-course, there certainly is room for negotiation. One could say both sides are guilty of "projection".



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by Langolier
Over-all I would say (and it's just my opinion) conservatives/right-wingers have a more... dare I say realistic view of the world? One in which they understand that most countries wouldn't hesitate to take down the US if they had the chance?


Why would most countries want to take down the US? Call me naive, but I find that pretty hard to believe... as well as a bit paranoid/extreme?



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by Lecky

Originally posted by Langolier
Over-all I would say (and it's just my opinion) conservatives/right-wingers have a more... dare I say realistic view of the world? One in which they understand that most countries wouldn't hesitate to take down the US if they had the chance?


Why would most countries want to take down the US? Call me naive, but I find that pretty hard to believe... as well as a bit paranoid/extreme?





Jealousy of America



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Lecky


Why would most countries want to take down the US? Call me naive, but I find that pretty hard to believe... as well as a bit paranoid/extreme?


Because that schmuck of a president drew lines in the sand when he told the world "Your either with us, or agianst us." He left no neutrality for any nation.



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 09:28 AM
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Kidfinger is right... bush IS a schmuk


seriously though, i dont think most countries hate america. i think that americas problem is that people liked america (even if they may have disliked its foreign policies) but since the war on terror began, people feel they dont understand america anymore, and that it is a country in the grip of a group of power-crazed corporate gangsters.



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 10:19 AM
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If anybody truly cant understand why the world feels the way it does, I suggest you got buy the new Perfect Circle CD and listen to the song 'Trade the Fiddle for the Drum.' Listen to that song once and you will understand.



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 08:20 PM
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No... We don't hate the world... We really just don't care what the world thinks. You're with us or you're against us. I agree Conservatives have a better understanding of the world we live in then most liberals. We understand the Europeans and other countires can't help but hate our President... They are told to by their liberal media. They don't live here so they don't really know whats going on here.

Not what you want to hear I'm sure. But the truth often hurts...................



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by LostSailor
No... We don't hate the world... We really just don't care what the world thinks. You're with us or you're against us. I agree Conservatives have a better understanding of the world we live in then most liberals. We understand the Europeans and other countires can't help but hate our President... They are told to by their liberal media. They don't live here so they don't really know whats going on here.

Not what you want to hear I'm sure. But the truth often hurts...................


I could use the same argument you just used, but switch the parties around
The thread was started as a means to basically tell conservatives to quite whining about Liberals hating America when its an obvious lie. The Republicans dont hate America, and neither do the Liberals. The fact is, more Republicans cry traitor when a Liberal voices thier opinion, but when its the other way around, we Liberals dont resort to calling you names (traitor, non-patriot,ect...), well, except for maybe Bush
, but rather we argue that its not true. Thats one of the diffferences between Reps and Libs. Reps will not consider you point of view unless it agrees with thier own. A Lib will at least examine the various view points, and will agree that they each are different, but valid. At least, this is what I have been shown here on ATS. Quite a few Conservatives that I have run accross here were very agressive to the point of vocal attacks when it comes to seeing things thier way. There have been a few with whom I have had an intelligent debate with about such things, but they occured few and far between.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger
Because that schmuck of a president drew lines in the sand when he told the world "Your either with us, or agianst us." He left no neutrality for any nation.

He said that in 2001, shortly after the WTC attacks. He said it in context of the war against terror.

How can a country be neutral in the war against terror? Well, I can think of several reasons, but I want to hear other people's thoughts.

I see no problem at all with the statement "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror."




posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
I see no problem at all with the statement "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror."



If it were just pertaining to the so called war on terror, I wouldnt have a problem. The problem is, Bush has made this statement encompass all his policies at home and abroad. His bulliness, and warmongering are expected to be accepted by all. He even made the statement pertain to the war in Iraq.

And while we are talking about the war on terrorism, what happened to it. The first majior assault in Afganistan in a VERY LONG time,is going on at the moment with about 15000 troops. Bush made a mistake alienating the world in his personal vandetta agianst Saddam, and took away from the true place of need for the troops. If that schmuck would have dedicated all the money and rescources he spent in Iraq, on finding Osama Goatfeker, there wouldnt be a war on terrorism going on now.

So Bush is a moron who does NOT know whats best for his country, and is only intrested in fighting, and oil.

But agian, I digress. This thread is supposed to be about getting those whiny conservitaves to stop saying Libs hate America, because its obvious we dont, and you guys are lying through your teeth every time you say it. What should one expect from a conservative though, when thier fearles leader is so good at lying, alienating people, bullying to get his way, do I really need to go on? With a role model like George Bush, Its no wonder the Conservatives are the way they are.

[edit on 12/14/04 by Kidfinger]



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger

Bush is a moron who does NOT know whats best for his country, and is only intrested in fighting, and oil.


Wow... You actually believe this? I thought Liberals were supposed to be "open-minded" and intelligent!



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by LostSailor


Wow... You actually believe this? I thought Liberals were supposed to be "open-minded" and intelligent!


We are. I gave him a chance in 2000. I let him show me what kind of president he was. I didnt just hear Bushes name and say, "Oh, he sounds like he would be a schmuck!" I actually let him show me his complete incompetence as a president befoer I made my final decision about him. I could go on, but Id only be saying things you dont want to hear, or wouldnt listen to anyway. Well, maybe I will go on
Bush has showed he can manipulate an entire global wrld into believing he is telling the truth. He is the only person in the world that could lie to the world, then get busted, then make the world believe that it was all just a big misunderstanding
Bush uses Religon to maintain popularity in the conservitave mind. What do you really think God has to say about a lying, theiving, murderer such as Bush. He will be burning in hell right along with Saddam, Hitler, Eddi Amien and all the other ruthless tyrants of this age.

Now maybe you could tell me why you dont believe it.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 09:28 AM
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Wow. First,

So Bush is a moron


Then

Originally posted by Kidfinger
Well, maybe I will go on
Bush has showed he can manipulate an entire global wrld into believing he is telling the truth. He is the only person in the world that could lie to the world, then get busted, then make the world believe that it was all just a big misunderstanding

Amazing.




posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 09:47 AM
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Even an idiot can lead the willing



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger

Now maybe you could tell me why you dont believe it.


Maybe you could tell me why you believe it...


Just keep reading Rense and crap like that...



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by LostSailor
Maybe you could tell me why you believe it...

Just keep reading Rense and crap like that...


I already have told you why I believe it. You have yet to do the same. Typical of a Bushie.
'maybe if I keep asking the same question they ask over and over, they will drop it'


Ive never read rense in my life. Feel stupid yet? You really ought to get a grip and stop making silly accusations like this, as they just deminish the credibility of the conservative party.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger

We are. I gave him a chance in 2000. I let him show me what kind of president he was. I didnt just hear Bushes name and say, "Oh, he sounds like he would be a schmuck!" I actually let him show me his complete incompetence as a president befoer I made my final decision about him.


You may have made your final decision to fast, the economy is on the rise, Social Security is being revamped so it might actually work for a change. Taxes have been lowered and the American people are slowly being pulled away from the governments teat. You base your opinion on feelings not facts. You call him incompetent yet he is competent enough manipulate the entire freakin' world!!!


I could go on, but Id only be saying things you dont want to hear, or wouldnt listen to anyway.


Funny as I've been saying this about liberals for a long time. Doesn't matter if you shove a fist full of facts up a liberals third eye. They'll just come back with "Bush is an idiot."


He is the only person in the world that could lie to the world, then get busted, then make the world believe that it was all just a big misunderstanding


I assume you are talking about the infamous weapons of mass destruction. Yeah, Bush was the only person in the world that believed Saddam had these. Maybe if you libs had a pair, Clinton would have attacked Saddam, and actually found them before he could get rid of them. But God forbid a liberal do anything that might have a possibility of making him look bad. That would go against the whole idea of them being an elite party. We all know that Liberals know whats best for everyone else and thats why they want people to believe in them over any other higher being. They want to be that higher being!


Bush uses Religon to maintain popularity in the conservitave mind. What do you really think God has to say about a lying, theiving, murderer such as Bush. He will be burning in hell right along with Saddam, Hitler, Eddi Amien and all the other ruthless tyrants of this age.


You don't think Bush really believes in God? Why is that? Because he's a politician? No really... Why is it so hard for you to accept that Bush might really be a religious man?

As long as One believes in the Word of God he'll go to heaven... so that pretty much shoots down your idea of him going to hell... Although I'll bet God does have something to say about jealousy, spitefulness, hate, and loathing.


Ive never read rense in my life. Feel stupid yet? You really ought to get a grip and stop making silly accusations like this, as they just deminish the credibility of the conservative party.


Yeah... you've never read anything like Rense in your life... and my crap smells like freshly picked Roses. You just keep voting Liberal and see how long this country lasts. Your Liberal PC bull is slowly sucking the life out of our once great Nation. This used to be a country where the majority ruled, you libs tried to take it over through the government. When you failed to convince the majority that your ideas were justifiable, you turned to the legal system and have now begun to steer the country in your favor through the likes of the ACLU. When did intellectualism become more important than family, heart, pride, soul, determination, etc. The American man is no more, he's slowly being replaced by flower picking liberal elitists.


I already have told you why I believe it. You have yet to do the same. Typical of a Bushie. 'maybe if I keep asking the same question they ask over and over, they will drop it'


I have already told you in numerous other threads. Typical of an arrogant elitist liberal.............. You spew the same liberal garbage in everyone of your posts. Spouting information that has already been debunked in previous threads. Manipulating information to suit your views.

Liberals don't hate America, they just hate an America that believes in a power higher than the government. They hate an America with a soul........................

Maybe they are just afraid of a Nation that doesn't want to depend on their government?

......................................................Liberals
...............................................................................



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 11:33 AM
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LostSailor, Ok, Im going to do what you refuse to do. Im going to get in depth and really show you why Bush is a certifiable idiot. First, Ill start with social security that you claim Bush has fixed.

Your illustrious leaders advisor on all affairs that relate to social security, Gregory Mankiw, has recently suggested a drop in benefits in order to maintain social security. A drop? Thats a fix? OOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKK


Here is a quick quote:

As Mankiw suggested, the Bush plan would require a large reduction in the benefits provided by the existing system. A worker who is 20 today would see a cut of approximately one-third in his or her retirement benefit, although workers would theoretically more than recoup this loss by investing a portion of their Social Security taxes in a private account.


Yea, we will fix it by making the very people who need it take the cut. Typical Conservative. As for the recouping by private investments
I dont know if you have invested any cash lately, but I just closed my Roth IRA because it lost $832 in 6 months. Private investments are not looking good, and defiantly should not be the way out of the mess of SS. Here is a quote that supports this:


Advocates of private accounts assume that the stock market will give the same returns in the future as it has in the past, even though price-to-earnings ratios in the stock market are far higher now than in the past, and the Social Security trustees project that profits will grow at about half the rate they did in the past. None of the proponents of privatization have yet passed the "no economist left behind test," which asks them to show the set of dividend yields and stock price increases that add up to the stock returns they assume in their analysis.


Bush tries to make his plan sound even better by saying you will be able to pass your private account on to your children. That is a lie. Read this.


Under Bush's plan, workers will even be able to pass their private accounts on to their children, which raises the same problem. If the account will be there to support a worker's retirement, then the money can't also be passed down to children. While a small number of wealthy people may be in a position of not needing their accounts, creating this opt-out option will add further to the administrative costs for everyone--reducing benefits by another 5 to 10 percent, according to an extensive body of research.


OMG! His plan really looks good now doesnt it


I think Ive made my point about Bushs excellent fix for social security


Now lets look at a few of your baseless comments.

But God forbid a liberal do anything that might have a possibility of making him look bad.


Wrong party.



That would go against the whole idea of them being an elite party.


Again, wrong party.



We all know that Liberals know whats best for everyone else and thats why they want people to believe in them over any other higher being. They want to be that higher being!


Now you are confusing Liberals with Bush himself. That megalomaniac will stop at nothing till he is worshiped all over the world. Very Hitleresque in his warmongering actions.


You don't think Bush really believes in God? Why is that? Because he's a politician? No really... Why is it so hard for you to accept that Bush might really be a religious man?


Because he uses it for political gain when it clearly states in the constitution that church and state are separate and will remain so.



As long as One believes in the Word of God he'll go to heaven... so that pretty much shoots down your idea of him going to hell... Although I'll bet God does have something to say about jealousy, spitefulness, hate, and loathing.


You must be Catholic. Go read the bible again and tell me what sentence God hands down to murderers.


Yeah... you've never read anything like Rense in your life... and my crap smells like freshly picked Roses.


Well, you better go see a doctor. Ive never smelled a sweet poo before. You might have a problem. As far as me never reading rense. I have never read a single article from there, nor do I quote from there as Rense.com has the credibility of Bush around here. Little to none.

Liberals don't hate America, they just hate an America that believes in a power higher than the government. They hate an America with a soul........................


Now your are blowing #e out of your arse. I am a very spiritual person. While I dont believe in organized religion, I do believe in a higher power that we all answer to when its our time to be judged. Dont hand me that holier than thow crap. Its BS

Well, it appears I have blown your thoughts of our president full of holesJ Have fun believing the lie and following in Hitlers footsteps.


All info for SS was taken from:
www.thenation.com...

[edit on 12/14/04 by Kidfinger]


Edit : Forgot to deal with you tax cuts
I will address them if need be.

[edit on 12/14/04 by Kidfinger]



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger
Your illustrious leaders advisor on all affairs that relate to social security, Gregory Mankiw, has recently suggested a drop in benefits in order to maintain social security. A drop? Thats a fix? OOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKK


Well, I guess we could go with the liberal alternative, that is, raising the retirement age to 80...



Here is a quick quote:
As Mankiw suggested, the Bush plan would require a large reduction in the benefits provided by the existing system. A worker who is 20 today would see a cut of approximately one-third in his or her retirement benefit, although workers would theoretically more than recoup this loss by investing a portion of their Social Security taxes in a private account.

Yea, we will fix it by making the very people who need it take the cut.

The young are not the very people that need it. They have their entire working lives to invest wisely.

As for the recouping by private investments
I dont know if you have invested any cash lately, but I just closed my Roth IRA because it lost $832 in 6 months. Private investments are not looking good, and defiantly should not be the way out of the mess of SS.

That happens to be your particular experience. There are many profitable private investments. Plus, the entire SS donation is not eligible for private investment; only a small portion.


Bush tries to make his plan sound even better by saying you will be able to pass your private account on to your children. That is a lie. Read this.


Under Bush's plan, workers will even be able to pass their private accounts on to their children, which raises the same problem. If the account will be there to support a worker's retirement, then the money can't also be passed down to children. While a small number of wealthy people may be in a position of not needing their accounts, creating this opt-out option will add further to the administrative costs for everyone--reducing benefits by another 5 to 10 percent, according to an extensive body of research.


It's not only the wealthy that pass on to their children. Thousands of people die suddenly, every day. What happens to their contributions?

The difference is that now they have the chance to pass it on to their kids instead of it going into the gov'ts pockets.





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