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posted on Sep, 28 2014 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

I dont think it was a tank battle. They have stated time and again Russian military convoys / parts of them had been destroyed entering Ukraine by artillery and other anti tank measures. I dont think I have seen any news where a major tank battle has occurred.

of course that may also depend on what you think a "major" tank battle would be.

Also, your comment about not being in the news / evidence of it -
How much of the main stream media has covered Darfur? Rwanda? Yemen? The unrest in china?


As a side note -
Reference the comments from some about media coverage. If Ukraine has destroyed an aid convoy then why is it not in the news? Contrary to what people think there are media outlets outside of the west / Russia. Are they covering this story in the same manner Russia is? Are they supporting Ukraine?

What have those media outlets stated?


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posted on Sep, 28 2014 @ 11:08 PM
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The day Ukraine attacks the Russian military directly is the day the Ukraine will lose eastern and southern Ukraine all the way up to the border with Moldova.

Seriously, who in their right mind believed or still believes that Ukraine destroyed Russian armoured vehicles, crewed by Russian servicemen, without a military retaliation from Russia?



posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: mortex

I see you joined the site on 09/28/2014 - Welcome to ATS.
Its nice to have new members jump right in where other accounts left off.

ITAR-TASS - Red Cross backs Russia’s proposal on humanitarian aid to southeast Ukraine

Red Cross - Red Cross denies coordinating Russian aid convoy to Ukraine

Russia’s top 100 lies about Ukraine
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posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: mortex




Seriously, who in their right mind believed or still believes that Ukraine destroyed Russian armoured vehicles, crewed by Russian servicemen, without a military retaliation from Russia?


You do understand that Russia cannot and will not admit to them having Russian troops and armor in Ukraine, let alone retaliate against Ukraine?

That would show Putin has been lying about Russia's involvement in Ukraine. And we all know Putin doesn't tell lies...oh wait he has been since invading Crimea.



posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 07:49 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: mortex

I see you joined the site on 09/28/2014 - Welcome to ATS.
Its nice to have new members jump right in where other accounts left off.

ITAR-TASS - Red Cross backs Russia’s proposal on humanitarian aid to southeast Ukraine

Red Cross - Red Cross denies coordinating Russian aid convoy to Ukraine

Russia’s top 100 lies about Ukraine


Thanks for the welcome.
Where other accounts have left off? Are you suggesting I'm some other, existing member?
Feel free to have a moderator or administrator check up on that for you. I assure you though I don't have another account.


But hey, I guess it's easy to throw mud at someone because they said something you disagree with, and you've taken that to mean they disagree with you in general(even though I've had no communication with you till now).

Cool links..100 Russian lies about Ukraine.
Will you also post 100 American/EU lies about Ukraine?
How about 100 Ukrainian lies about Ukraine?

You're probably too biased to see the point I just made.



posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: mortex




Seriously, who in their right mind believed or still believes that Ukraine destroyed Russian armoured vehicles, crewed by Russian servicemen, without a military retaliation from Russia?


You do understand that Russia cannot and will not admit to them having Russian troops and armor in Ukraine, let alone retaliate against Ukraine?

That would show Putin has been lying about Russia's involvement in Ukraine. And we all know Putin doesn't tell lies...oh wait he has been since invading Crimea.


Well just like it's a matter of public perception here in the Western world, as to what is right and wrong, and what is the truth, the same holds true in Russia.

If the Russian government and media paint a picture where Ukraine is at fault, and those armored vehicles were attacked while on the Russian side of the border, and the Russian public accept that as the truth, then whose going to stand in Russia's way?
A toothless NATO whose only real armed forces capable of fighting a conventional war is the United States, the UK barely, France, the Turks and Greeks who are squared off against each other? Or are the US, France and UK going to go nuclear over Ukraine?

Get real.

Just like Georgia, just like Crimea...if Russia goes in, nobody will stop them.
Things haven't come to the point of direct confrontation. Yet. And direct confrontation wont come over Ukraine. Or Syria. Or any other proxy.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 12:00 AM
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a reply to: mortex




A toothless NATO whose only real armed forces capable of fighting a conventional war is the United States, the UK barely, France, the Turks and Greeks who are squared off against each other? Or are the US, France and UK going to go nuclear over Ukraine?


NATO is not toothless, it has awesome air force power. But it would be foolish for NATO to fight Russia over Ukraine and that too in Russia's neighborhood.

There are several to many ways Russia can provide heavy weapons to DPR militia. Right from blaming it on outright theft of 200 tanks to a corrupt base commander who slowly shipped the heavy goodies out and away across the border. Another way is to involve a third country which purchases these weapons and then have them show up in Donbass militia's hands.




posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 04:30 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: mortex

I see you joined the site on 09/28/2014 - Welcome to ATS.
Its nice to have new members jump right in where other accounts left off.

ITAR-TASS - Red Cross backs Russia’s proposal on humanitarian aid to southeast Ukraine

Red Cross - Red Cross denies coordinating Russian aid convoy to Ukraine

Russia’s top 100 lies about Ukraine


Ah Stopfake an Western backed NGO created news outlet with an agenda.




Fact-checking website Stopfake.org was launched on March 2, 2014 by alumni and students of Mohyla School of Journalism and of the Digital Future of Journalism professional program for journalists and editors. At a later stage, the initial team was joined by many journalists, marketing specialists, programmers, translators and all those who care about the fate of our country and its people. The main purpose of this community is to check facts, verify information, and refute distorted information and propaganda about events in Ukraine covered in the media. The number of volunteers is constantly growing to help verify information, to write, to edit and to translate stories. StopFake.org community does not represent or support any political party or other organization. The idea of the website: Olga Yurkova.



The main purpose of this community is to check facts, verify information, and refute distorted information and propaganda about events in Ukraine covered in the media.

Basically countering Russia's information using America's based Journalists and disinformation Warfare agaisnt and her news outlets.

Another lie Stoplie created.
StopFake.org community does not represent or support any political party or other organization.

Yet they do and are being supported by several organizations.


Stopfake reminds me of several pro Bosnian Mulism Bosnian genocide blogsites anyone questioning the event will be attacked.
Either by threatening emails, or group attacks on the internet.

The Stopfake site is mainly the same thing with the exception of the events in Ukraine.
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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 05:31 AM
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The Stopfake site is mainly the same thing with the exception of the events in Ukraine.


So ignore the facts that stopfake documents and rely on completely unbiased sources like government owned and operated RT and PressTV.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: mortex




A toothless NATO whose only real armed forces capable of fighting a conventional war is the United States, the UK barely, France, the Turks and Greeks who are squared off against each other? Or are the US, France and UK going to go nuclear over Ukraine?


NATO is not toothless, it has awesome air force power. But it would be foolish for NATO to fight Russia over Ukraine and that too in Russia's neighborhood.

There are several to many ways Russia can provide heavy weapons to DPR militia. Right from blaming it on outright theft of 200 tanks to a corrupt base commander who slowly shipped the heavy goodies out and away across the border. Another way is to involve a third country which purchases these weapons and then have them show up in Donbass militia's hands.



With the exception of the USA, or the UK, Germany, France, Spain, Turkey and Greece combined, NATO is toothless.

^ Those countries there represent the bulk of NATO's air power capabilities, the only odd one out in that list is Turkey who doesn't have decent air defence systems like the others.

The rest of the NATO air forces are tiny.



posted on Oct, 2 2014 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Vice news was there at the start. They busted the Russians big time. They caught a Russian full bird Colonel in a police uniform taking charge or all the police in Donetsk and when all the police asked who he was he replied with I am a Colonel in the Russian Army to take charge of the situation. He did not know he was being filmed!!!

The Donetsk rebels also were making claim after claim that the Nazis were attacking them and causing all kinds of damage to peoples homes and cars meanwhile Vice news decided to do some investigating of their own. They were all false flag attacks and not any Ukrainian forces were even in the area yet.

This is all a bunch of Russian lies! Don't forget the stupidity of them taking Crimea like everyone did not know they were Russians anyway. Yes the Ukrainian President has made some bad claims of his own but he is just trying to get help to keep Russia from invading his country.

Ukraine has had enough of the Russian depression, they want out!!



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 03:05 AM
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originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge
a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Vice news was there at the start. They busted the Russians big time. They caught a Russian full bird Colonel in a police uniform taking charge or all the police in Donetsk and when all the police asked who he was he replied with I am a Colonel in the Russian Army to take charge of the situation. He did not know he was being filmed!!!

The Donetsk rebels also were making claim after claim that the Nazis were attacking them and causing all kinds of damage to peoples homes and cars meanwhile Vice news decided to do some investigating of their own. They were all false flag attacks and not any Ukrainian forces were even in the area yet.

This is all a bunch of Russian lies! Don't forget the stupidity of them taking Crimea like everyone did not know they were Russians anyway. Yes the Ukrainian President has made some bad claims of his own but he is just trying to get help to keep Russia from invading his country.

Ukraine has had enough of the Russian depression, they want out!!


Ah Yes the same Vice News whom were with the Free Syrian Army in Syria while filming them with the kittens? while showing how they were even using Child Soldiers? and what did Vice News do about when they saw Child Soldiers? nothing at all.




They busted the Russians big time. They caught a Russian full bird Colonel in a police uniform taking charge or all the police in Donetsk and when all the police asked who he was he replied with I am a Colonel in the Russian Army to take charge of the situation. He did not know he was being filmed!

Right. I am quite sure Vice busted the Russians big time while they claimed caught a Russian full bird Colonel in a police uniform taking charge or all the police in Donetsk and when all the police asked who he was he replied with I am a Colonel in the Russian Army to take charge of the situation. He did not know he was being filmed?

You know its quite to act as Russian Colonel? you can literately buy Russian Army Officer Uniform Cloak Cape Colonel uniforms on the internet and if anyone knows Russian its easy as being Bin Laden in an ISIS video.





The Donetsk rebels also were making claim after claim that the Nazis were attacking them and causing all kinds of damage to peoples homes and cars meanwhile Vice news decided to do some investigating of their own. They were all false flag attacks and not any Ukrainian forces were even in the area yet.

Sounds like they have done a poor job in the investigative journalism category they were all flash flags? thats quite really bad journalism if you would asked me, an actual investigative journalism is when you actual do some actual reporting and using all the current strengths and sources.

However it seems they haven't done so.




were all false flag attacks and not any Ukrainian forces were even in the area yet.

The Right Sector, and Ultra Government para militants arent in Control Right? they are nothing but innocent eh nor the one behind the deaths?

Sure an False Flag.








This is all a bunch of Russian lies! Don't forget the stupidity of them taking Crimea like everyone did not know they were Russians anyway.

Its clear with this response alone and reply your rather clueless on the matter of Ukraine and on Crimea, and the majority of the responses anti Russian responses mainly are driven by an lust of War Orgasm towards and hatred towards the Russian.

Including some mentally thinking that you fear that America is losing its power and influence in Eastern Europe.


Crimea Has History
Crimea has a long listed of History which i no doubt that you Americans, interventionists dont even know about nor were taught in your schools, if you dont know the history between Crimea, Eastern Slavic peoples you really should stay out of it and really mind your businesses.

Ukraine isn't Europe's Nor America's. Its clear with such replies like these you dont understand anything about the history you only what you see on the western news outlets.

Whats more laughable and Comical? This.




Yes the Ukrainian President has made some bad claims of his own but he is just trying to get help to keep Russia from invading his country.


Thats quite comical. Didn't you know that your beloved petro poroshenko is a oligarch? when he decides to join the Euporean Union there are no benefits which the general public would gain from, with an exception the visa.

Unless your an old man whom has being a former Ukrainian SS division or a criminal and wants to get out of Ukrainian quite surely they would love the Euporean Visa.


Ukraine has had enough of the Russian depression, they want out!!
If your Westren Ukraine, Westren Slavic's would love nothing more then to be closer with there brethren Germany and Germans as they did both in World Wars and during the Cossack conflicts.

The Westren Ukrankian Slavic's are nothing more then villagers and clowns. There actions in Kiev were seen qutie clearer when they throw out an Russian politician onto the trash bin.

I am quite sure these are the same people you are trying to put into power in Ukraine, once whom are having childish tantrums in adults.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 03:13 AM
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unbiased sources like government owned and operated RT and PressTV.

Really? dont forget dear DJW001, these fair sources like government owned and operated RT and PressTV were the only few news outlets that were reporting truth on Syria and elsewhere, they even touched topics where your western news outlets wouldn't touch.



Maya Naser risked his life in Syria to report where your beloved Western news outlets were camping out with the terrorists the same terrorists Obama is now allegedly targeting.

Now dont claim that my post has nothing to do with the main thread as this is my thread thus this is my personal view of how i feel towards Western news outlets.

Since the 80s and the Iraqi the western news outlets have being nothing but completely unbiased, they dont report nor re correct themselves they just follow what the script says.


Maya Naser When He was Murdered by the peace loving moderates why was he blacklisted and unreported in the west?

Perhaps he had to much on his blog and rebels wanted him dead.
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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 03:54 AM
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Now dont claim that my post has nothing to do with the main thread as this is my thread thus this is my personal view of how i feel towards Western news outlets.


Don't tell me what I can or cannot do! You choose to believe Iranian propaganda, fine. You want to discuss Syria, start a new thread.



posted on Oct, 8 2014 @ 08:53 AM
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Iranian Propaganda? thats rather ironic so when western news outlets send there reporters to Syria to be on the same side with the terrorists and not to report on whats actually going whats that called again?

Fair and truthful, balanced western journalism? thats quite comical. The same Iranian Propaganda whom have truthful being reporting on the Bahrain protests?

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posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 01:00 AM
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Cant you both just agree that them media in general, regardless of if it's American, Russian, Chinese, Iranian, and so on, use propaganda?

War these days isn't just bullets and missiles. There's also an information war.
Propaganda plays a big part in that.



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 02:39 AM
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Really? dont forget dear DJW001, these fair sources like government owned and operated RT and PressTV were the only few news outlets that were reporting truth on Syria and elsewhere, they even touched topics where your western news outlets wouldn't touch.


You just have to bring Syria into every Ukraine thread don't you?

So two countries that would like to see nothing more than the destruction of the US and you think they are going to be unbiased in reporting about anything that has to do with the US...now that's funny.



Maya Naser risked his life in Syria to report where your beloved Western news outlets were camping out with the terrorists the same terrorists Obama is now allegedly targeting.


SO showing the other side of a conflict is where a news agency is unbiased. Showing only one side is where you show bias...so has any other news agency shown the other side of this conflict, such as RT, and Press tv because if they haven't then they are biased...and I don't see their reports from the other side so how are they unbiased?




Now dont claim that my post has nothing to do with the main thread as this is my thread thus this is my personal view of how i feel towards Western news outlets.


Ah yes the "it's mine and I can do what I want with it" argument only works when your five.

Funny how when someone has a problem with your propaganda machine news outlets you get defensive and don't like it, but you are supposed to be allowed to do it to western media...okay now that's hypocrisy at it's finest.





Since the 80s and the Iraqi the western news outlets have being nothing but completely unbiased, they dont report nor re correct themselves they just follow what the script says.


Well at least your being truthful about your unbiased news outlets, because we all know how well RT follows the Kremlin script they have to read from...good job!



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 02:47 AM
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Fair and truthful, balanced western journalism? thats quite comical. The same Iranian Propaganda whom have truthful being reporting on the Bahrain protests?


And to say that Press Tv, and RT are truthful and balanced really has me about to pee myself with laughter...SO what happened with RT and Ukraine, seems they couldn't be truthful if it hit them in the head.

Because this is a thread about Ukraine and not Bahrain, or Syria...and even if it is your thread you still need to stay on topic.



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 02:49 AM
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There's also an information war.
Propaganda plays a big part in that.


And if you have followed any of the posts from the OP you will see he is big on the propaganda news outlets and feels they tell nothing but the truth...even when shown otherwise.




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