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Man Beheads Female Colleague In Workplace

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posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 04:59 PM

originally posted by: 8675309jenny
a reply to: Kryties

Are you actually serious????

Calling people who see Islam clearly as the threat it is "nutjobs" ??

The "few" you refer to are the NUTJOBS. The rest of us are normal humans who want to protect ourselves our families and our culture from destruction.

He has a point. And to add to that point, Islam isn't taking over the world. You are being diverted from the real danger and the people pulling the strings.

Like it or not but a one world government is being prepared. The Middle East is constantly being destabilized and Syria is next on the list. From this chaos, a super state shall appear. Greater Israel, where the One World government will be based in.
" It is a big idea, a New World Order" as said by big Bush.
I known many of you will find it difficult to digest this but that is the plain truth.

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 05:04 PM

originally posted by: whatnext21
A wide berth to muslims what does a muslim look like, I'll bet he lookes just like your neighbor next door or just down the road scary times for all, me thinksreply to: grandmakdw

Where I live the women wear burquas everywhere. They also wear headscarfs. Their husbands are generally with them.
If I can identify a person as Muslim I will go out of my way to avoid them, not be mean, just avoid.

No I can't identify the men generally without their wives, unless like one sales person did and refused to shake my hand.

Why does it upset you? Why would you care?

I give a wide berth to anyone who looks potentially dangerous to me.

It is the safe thing to do these days. Not be rude, not be mean, just avoid as much as possible.

Nothing wrong with that as far as I am concerned. I am under no obligation, moral or otherwise to interact with people who I fear could be potentially dangerous. I am under an obligation to not be rude or mean or speak ill to or of them, but avoiding can be prudent.

With a co-worker my only obligation would be to work with them and be polite.

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 05:08 PM

originally posted by: Boeing777

I known many of you will find it difficult to digest this but that is the plain truth.

So a guy taking an innocent woman's head off *possibly based on his version of Islamic beliefs* at work is justified - rationalized - by this Conspiracy theory of yours how exactly?

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 05:14 PM
I don't paint all Muslims in the same light, nor do I paint all mass shooters in the same light. I think that this is just a knee jerk reaction when something like this occurs.

Anger tends to color ones perspective.

That said, if others follow suit, anger will rise against the Muslim community, just as it does against pro-2nd Amendment supporters, or those who are pro or anti abortionist, etc, etc.

Wow! I can't believe I'm not getting all spun up about this incident. I guess I'm becoming apathetic about it all.

edit on 26-9-2014 by TDawgRex because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 05:17 PM
a reply to: SLAYER69

I'm not denying that this crime was despicable. Terrorist are terrorist. What people fail to understand is that there's a greater danger out there.

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 05:25 PM
a reply to: Boeing777

That's all well and good but the biggest REAL threat to her in real time was a Nut Job possibly inspired by Islamic extremism who took her head.

Now that is the plain truth.

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 05:47 PM
Something was seriously wrong with the guy's thinking, or he would have realized American's do not find beheadings particularly seductive. Definitely not the way to win anybody here over to that religion. In fact he made matters worse for them.

Full blown nut-job acting on his own gets my vote.
edit on 9/26/2014 by ladyinwaiting because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 05:47 PM
We cannot complain about police brutality and acting outside the confines of the law and subsequently call for violation of the law when it suits our beliefs or interests. I deplore his actions as much as most of us, and while I would like to see him punished he is a US citizen and and must be given his Constitutional rights. Even if his actions were somehow worse than this, negating his rights sets a precedent. It is not a very large step from depriving one person of their rights to depriving another person, and so on and so forth. Law should be absolute. Although this would not be the action that set such a precedent, as in my opinion it has been set already. Even with that in mind it would prove beneficial for us to never deprive someone of their rights, because even if a precedent has already been set we do not want it to become even more commonplace.

I have not done much reading on this case, but from the little I have read it seems as if this guy might have been suffering from extreme psychological issues, rather than him simply being a Muslim fanatic, but again I am not certain. I definitely could entertain the premise that all fanatics are psychologically unstable, but I am not sure this is truly the case. One could argue that what drives fanatics to commit heinous crimes in the name of religion is a delusion, and is therefore a psychological issue, but it seems to me that the ideas of belief and delusion are not absolute. Does the motivation make any difference anyway, considering that everyone must still be held accountable for their actions?

I think the majority will use this act to further demonize Islam in general, and perhaps they are justified in such reasoning, although they would not be correct if their opinions were driven by passion alone. If their religious views cause them to dislike Islam and therefore be harsher towards it, it could be argued they are suffering from some sort of delusion themselves, but the huge difference is that most people do not plant their beliefs to sprout the fruit of violence. Yet intolerance is intolerance, no matter the outcome, meaning that intolerance drives fanatics therefore we should not fall victim to the same trap. And it would be difficult to argue the fact that most religious violence committed today is done by Muslims. One cannot help but look for some inherent cause for such actions, and obviously the connection can be traced back to the doctrine itself. Perhaps someone wiser than myself can expand and follow through with this line of thinking to reach a better conclusion, because I do know there are non-violent Muslims in the world.

The most I have been able to conclude is that there is likely a violent thread in the doctrine of Islam that allows these fanatics to easily justify their actions, and as such Islam very well could be a problem as a whole. But I do not fail to grasp the fact that even a non-violent doctrine in the wrong hands can serve to breed such intolerance and even violence, as people are not always logical and they intake all information through personal filters, and this should be given due consideration. Therefore I will not say that my conclusions are well-founded by any means, at least not at this point, because I have not truly followed through with the various lines of reasoning. Like most people I do not truly consider all of the factors when coming to a conclusion, and more often than not our conclusions are not sound even if they are correct. This is sometimes an honest mistake, but I think that often it is due to the fact that one will think they are right, and they do not believe that their mind will be changed regardless of whether they educate themselves to a greater degree where the particular subject is concerned. Or they simply think they are right and do not even consider the possibility of their minds being altered. When I actually take the time to consider such things I realize how much better off everyone would be if they, myself included, simply took the time and were willing to seek information contrary to their current opinions and beliefs and consider its validity with as much fairness as possible. Although I also imagine that people more intelligent than myself do these sorts of things naturally, and they can easily intake various pieces of data and fit them into a logical framework to arrive at a sound conclusion quite quickly. Maybe it comes with practice.

If we can determine that this man's actions were a direct result of his religious beliefs, which is quite plausible considering how he perpetrated his crimes and the connection to Muslim extremists in the Middle East, then we need to determine whether Islam is the direct cause, or whether it is a misinterpretation of Islam. If the doctrine is not clear enough to make a distinction, then it is quite possible that it is still dangerous, as lack of clarification could be responsible for these fanatics thinking their acts justified. Or maybe they're just all insane. The common thread being Islam, it is logical to peruse the doctrine itself for inherently violent teachings. Even if there are non-violent Muslims, if the doctrine truly teaches violence of this nature then I do not think Islam should enjoy the western tolerance for all religions, because the state should take precedence to doctrine and the state prohibits such violence. To illustrate what I mean, consider a group who openly followed a violent doctrine, even if they perpetrated no violence. One could not help but conclude that the teachings would be heeded at some point, and Islam is chock full of examples of such violence being carried to fruition.

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 05:52 PM
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Occupy, fit in and live your life. Spread, grow and have children. Build Mosques, enter politics, police forces, etc. Grow the Islamic community within the target country. Then, when the numbers work...demand changes to reflect your religion. And so on. If that plan doesn't work...behead a co-worker. Plant a bomb. Go on a shooting spree at the mall. THIS IS ISLAM! This is what the Koran teaches...befriend and lie. ANYTHING...absolutely anything to own the world.

This is exactly the type of uninformed knee-jerk reaction our media wants to illicit from the citizenry when they think of Islam, it makes it so much easier to garner support for our wars of conquest. I haven't the time nor inclination to lay out and fully explain the complex web of sociopolitical schemata that have brought us to this point of conflict in the Middle East, but suffice it to say that we've been meddling in their affairs for decades, and a huge part of this recent reaction there comes as a direct result of our continued illegal military operations in the area.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Do I hate Islam? No. Christianity was just as bad before, but Christianity has matured. Islam I simply want stopped because we don't have time to wait and hope it matures.

With the kind of rhetoric displayed above (complete with outraged THIS IS ISLAM! in all capitals), you surely could have fooled me. Additionally, America, an ostensibly "Christian" nation, has been involved in far more wars of conquest than any other nation ever, including those in the Middle East. For all the bad propaganda that is levied against Iran, how many countries have they invaded in the past century? None. How many countries has America invaded? Many.

The only reason your glasses are all rosy is because you live here, and have been apparently been well indoctrinated to the idea that "Hey, we're America, and we spread freedom wherever we go."

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 05:56 PM
I think it is important to point out that if we aren't going to paint all Muslims by the actions of this idiot, as rightly so, I want to remind people the next time a bash-Christian thread starts up concerning the actions of a single person.

Just sayin'

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 06:01 PM
a reply to: daaskapital
I feel for the family members. I hope this lady didn't have any kids............because that would be messed up. I do feel that the Islam community need to speak out more and start standing up for what is right. We don't live in the past, we don't cut peoples heads off. Remember the saying........same sheet different day, but bigger pile. Islam's pile is getting bigger and needs to be cleaned up. I wish they would do their own cleaning.

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 06:02 PM

originally posted by: beezzer
I think it is important to point out that if we aren't going to paint all Muslims by the actions of this idiot, as rightly so, I want to remind people the next time a bash-Christian thread starts up concerning the actions of a single person.

Just sayin'


posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 06:04 PM

Nolen was convicted in 2011 of marijuana possession, intent to distribute coc aine, escape from detention and assault on a police officer.

Must have been a "born again" Muslim.

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 06:13 PM
a reply to: FlyersFan

Vaughan Foods

If its meat processing I could see what assisted him in going insane. I have felt that people who handle blood have a tendency to be more highly strung. It must be all that energy from death/blood or even hormones from the animal being absorbed into the worker. Who knows. Most butchers are a strange lot.

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 06:35 PM
a reply to: ExquisitExamplE
What are they doing HERE anyway? They need to be back in their oil-rich countries. They treat their women like dirt, do not give them any rights, and if they have their way that's what you'll be seeing here. Get em outta here.

edit on PMFri, 26 Sep 2014 18:42:29 -0500America/Chicago1411774949K4226429 by AreUKiddingMe because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 07:12 PM
a reply to: AreUKiddingMe

What are they doing here? Perhaps the better question is "What are we doing there?" How many military bases does Iran, Iraq or even Syria have in North America? None. Nada. Zero. How many military bases does The United States have in the Middle East? At least 45 if not more by now.

Every single one of those stars is a US military base in the region. So again, I ask the question, what are we doing there?

Additionally, given America's track record for initiating coups and assassinations in foreign countries, it doesn't particularly surprise me the vehemence with which many Muslims reject us.

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 07:18 PM
I wonder if the satanic black mass in Oklahoma could of opened up the the gates of hell there, thus allowing demons into the physical world.

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 07:20 PM
According to one article there was an argument about stoning women the day before,

then there is this
BREAKING: Muslims Shout “Praise Allah!” Surround OK Police Following Press Conference on Beheading

Also he quotes some strange stuff on his FB page, seems he blends scripture with Islam

Dnt yall knw why the Eastern part of the world hates Amerika? Everything God says don't do Amerika does. 1.Don't be toxicated (Stores Of Alochol), 2. Don't Gamble (Amerika says its okay to have casinos) 3.Don't Lust (Sex stores with toys and Movies) 4.Marijuana which is an herb that was put here to cook with your food (Ameerika say its okay to smoke it and Legalized it) 5.Newborns must have circumcision (Amerika say its your choice) 6.Man for Woman Woman For Man (Amerika legalized same sex marriages) 7.Don't eat pork (Amerika sells it in it's Grocerie stores) 8.Cut off the theif hands (Amerika give em paper time and release them to do it again) Someones gonna get killed here These are the things you join the army and etc to fight for your freedom. A Future Prophecy Revelation 18:8 She (The statue Of Liberty) is going into flames. She and anybody who's with her

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 07:21 PM

originally posted by: bumjuicer101
I wonder if the satanic black mass in Oklahoma could of opened up the the gates of hell there, thus allowing demons into the physical world.

I mentioned that too

posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 07:32 PM
I was agreeing with you i will never put myself in direct contact with a single one of them and tg they choose the bigger citiesto live i reply to: grandmakdw

edit on 9/26/2014 by whatnext21 because: (no reason given)

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