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4. Walmart managers were aware of Crawford walking around and were trying to formulate how to approach him as the police were arriving because they thought he could be mistaken for a shooter.
originally posted by: Bedlam
originally posted by: MarlinGrace
Spot on.. I think anyone calling for their heads, etc. etc. need to try it once on dangerous call with a armed person, then we can have this discussion again. Walk a mile as they say.
And if my granny had wheels, she'd be a wagon. If I'd shot people on as little pretext in the Army as cops can get away with here, I'd have had a lot more NJPs than I did.
"what if he might have shot me if I didn't just gun him down first" seems a bit stretchy in terms of an excuse.
originally posted by: MarlinGrace
Not quite sure where you're coming from all I am advocating is before we blame the cops for every instance of a shooting, we should try it once, maybe even twice. Then lets see if you feel the same way. If you're ex military then you know hesitating can get you a dirt nap. Hopefully you granny doesn't have wheels.
originally posted by: Bedlam
originally posted by: MarlinGrace
Not quite sure where you're coming from all I am advocating is before we blame the cops for every instance of a shooting, we should try it once, maybe even twice. Then lets see if you feel the same way. If you're ex military then you know hesitating can get you a dirt nap. Hopefully you granny doesn't have wheels.
What I'm saying is that there's a difference between hesitation and failure to assess.
And yeah, I'm no stranger to 'dynamic entry'. But, except for the odd circumstance, you often can't bang your way into a situation and just shoot everything breathing on the pretext that 'might have shot me if I didn't shoot him first' in order to make the job easier.
And again, I guarantee you if you have someone with no ill intent and you surprise them from behind, they will turn toward you and say 'what?'. That's not an excuse to mow them down, YOU caused that, it's a reflex.
originally posted by: MarlinGrace
Not quite sure where you're coming from all I am advocating is before we blame the cops for every instance of a shooting, we should try it once, maybe even twice. Then lets see if you feel the same way. If you're ex military then you know hesitating can get you a dirt nap. Hopefully you granny doesn't have wheels.
According to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, 111 law enforcement officers died in the line of duty in 2013. Thirty-three of them died as a result of gunfire, while 46 officers died in traffic accidents.
In a 2011 report, the International Association of Chiefs of Police called the deaths "unacceptable," and made a number of recommendations. Among them are increasing driver training for new officers, adopting policies to reduce texting and other distractions, and to conduct research on speed of law enforcement officers as well as fatigue as a factor in fatal officer crashes.
Filing a false police report can lead to multiple criminal consequences. Many states call this charge "false report to a peace officer." It is one of the few types of speech that is not constitutionally protected. Lying to a law enforcement officer can result in a criminal conviction.
Depending on where you live and the extent of the deception, the criminal charge of filing a false police report can either be a misdemeanor or a felony. Cases that cause less inconvenience to police and other authorities tend to be classified as misdemeanors, while people who create greater confusion or harm by filing a false police report may face felony charges.
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The rule of felony murder is a legal doctrine in some common law jurisdictions that broadens the crime of murder in two ways. First, when an offender kills accidentally or without specific intent to kill in the commission of a felony, the offender can be charged with murder. Second, it makes any participant in such a felony criminally liable for any deaths that occur during or in furtherance of that felony.
The idea of the felony murder rule arose in 1716, with William Hawkins' Treatise of Pleas of the Crown, during his work on English criminal law. Hawkins reasoned that malice was implicit in a crime that, “necessarily tends to raise Tumults and Quarrels, and consequently cannot but be attended with the danger of personal hurt.”, thus, "this rule should extend to killings in the course of felonies à fortiori."
Ryan Joseph Holle - Pensacola, Florida
Holle, who had given the police statements in which he seemed to admit knowing about the burglary, was convicted on August 3, 2004,[3] of first-degree murder under a legal doctrine known as the felony murder rule. The doctrine broadens murder liability for participants in violent felonies to include a killing by an accomplice. As the prosecutor David Rimmer explained: "No car, no murder." The victim's father, Terry Snyder, concurred: "It never would have happened unless Ryan Holle had lent the car. It was as good as if he was there."[2]
Statements in defense[edit]
Allen said in a pretrial deposition that all Holle did "was to say, 'Use the car.' I mean, nobody really knew that girl was going to get killed. It was not in the plans to go kill somebody, you know." Holle had no criminal record. He had lent his car to Allen countless times before. In a 2007 interview with The New York Times, Holle stated that "I honestly thought they were going to get food," adding that "When they actually mentioned what was going on, I thought it was a joke." He added that he was naive, and had been drinking all night, so he "didn't understand what was going on."[2]
The felony murder rule was abolished in the state of Michigan by the 1980 decision People v. Aaron. The court reasoned that the commission of a felony should only be used as a grading factor between first and second degree murder, and not something that could independently make an offense punishable as murder.[1]
originally posted by: HUMBLEONE
This world is just NUTS!!!
originally posted by: Power_Semi
Why on Gods green earth would anyone be wondering around a store with a weapon, real or toy?
originally posted by: halfpint0701\
Many LEO are ex-military now. However, they don't realize that the citizens they are sworn to protect and serve are not all armed enemy combatants in the Middle East.
originally posted by: Power_Semi
Why on Gods green earth would anyone be wondering around a store with a weapon, real or toy?
Nobody's going to listen to you defending a murderer. No one wants to listen to a person who said if that was their family member they would think the cop is in the right. That's not rational, that's sick.