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posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by Byrd
You haven't explained why there are NO instances of Jewish script anywhere in the whole site.

And why every ancient record (including the engraving on the stone in the top chamber of the largest pyramid) are in Egyptian hieroglyphics and why the surrounding temples and everything else have ONLY Egyptian hieroglyphic and demotic writings.

Oh yes... and why the name of Kufu (the pharoah Cheops) is written in the top chamber. That doesn't translate as "Jehovah."


true.

I cannot pose myself an expert on Egyptian hieroglyphics, or Hebrew for that matter. All I can point out is what scripture says, in the fact that Israel mimmicked Egypt in many ways, including customs, dress, idol worship.
For example....

Ezekiel 20
6 In the day that I lifted up mine hand unto them, to bring them forth of the land of Egypt into a land that I had espied for them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands:
7 Then said I unto them, Cast ye away every man the abominations of his eyes, and defile not yourselves with the idols of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
8 But they rebelled against me, and would not hearken unto me: they did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes, neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt: then I said, I will pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt.

or
Ezekiel 23
27 Thus will I make thy lewdness to cease from thee, and thy whoredom brought from the land of Egypt: so that thou shalt not lift up thine eyes unto them, nor remember Egypt any more.

THe Great Pyramid, on the other hand, I believe was not even built by Jews. But possibly by giants. This passage of Joshua, I believe speaks of the Great Pyramid..

Joshua 15
8And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:

In other words, the mountain that lies before the valley, on the west side.

But I think it is plausible that some hieroglyphics, only a sacred text, and not used for common prose, could indeed be Jewish.

Emmet Sweeney has compiled much on the similarity between the Jewish and Egyptian. He points out that Moses, Joseph, even Solomon all had very similar contemporaries in the Egyptian history. There are reference links at the bottom of the site. I would recommend reading his thesis'.

There are too many biblical fits that point to Giza as Jerusalem. I would also say that ther has been little, if any, conclusive research into my claims. I would like to see them verified by professional, objective individuals.

Your inital refutation of this claim seems to be a bit hasty and premature.

On the other hand, what archaeological evidences do we have fitting so precisely as the dimensions of Solomon's original temple in what the world believes to be Jerusalem? as compared to the Menkaure complex? They can only say that they cannot tell, because the Dome of the Rock is covering it.

I think that the contemporary image we have of what a Jew is, what he looks like, is largely skewed. Scripture points to the Egyptian as a reference model of the Jew, and we should too.




posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 09:58 AM
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The idea that Giza is Jerusalem is beyond ludicrous..and yes, Ive seen the links and they are not even pseudo-science, they are revisionist pop-mythology..and pretty poor at that.
What Moses, Solomon share with Egyptians is a knowledge of the language and a familiarity with certain customs and rites of the Egyptian priests and priestesses....and for marrying women from the isis school/temple....
BTW, so did jesus...Mary Magdalene was such a priestess.

But what ther new Christians tries to do was take over from the Egyptians, adopt theeir symbols and some of their prayers..word for word...as a means of giving their new religion an órthodox' mythology.

And who said there was a Solomon except the Bible writers? Not the Egyptians or any other contemporary ruler, sheik, or historical text.
The FIRST mention of Solomon comes over 1,000 years after he supposedly lived and ruled.

As for his fabled city of Ophir..here's a link to raise an eyebrow.
if you want to argue geography I suggest you go here:
www.viewzone.com...

Now lets quit this nonsense and get back to the real deal

-Sincerely
-Shai



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Shai
The idea that Giza is Jerusalem is beyond ludicrous..and yes, Ive seen the links and they are not even pseudo-science, they are revisionist pop-mythology..and pretty poor at that.


If you've seen the link, then you've noticed the invitation.

The invitation goes out to the Master's sheep who know his voice.

Apparently, as of now, it does not pertain to you, perhaps one day it will.
sjc



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by CyrusTheShepherd
I cannot pose myself an expert on Egyptian hieroglyphics, or Hebrew for that matter. All I can point out is what scripture says, in the fact that Israel mimmicked Egypt in many ways, including customs, dress, idol worship.

Not that much, truth to tell. They were more influenced by the Phonecians who were their neighbors than by the Egyptians who lived a thousand and more miles away. Culturally there's no evidence of strong contact, and certainly no evidence that they ever worshipped an Egyptian deity.

The "golden calf" was Sumerian, of course.

THe Great Pyramid, on the other hand, I believe was not even built by Jews. But possibly by giants.

You'll have a hard time supporting that. The people who built the pyramids lived in buildings around them during the time they were building. These buildings are made for average-sized people (5'6" or so.)


This passage of Joshua, I believe speaks of the Great Pyramid..

Joshua 15
8And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:


They're talking about where the national border went. The Valley of Hinnom is near the town of Hinnom. The Israeli border has NEVER run across the Arabian peninsula (they would have had to taken all Arabia) and down and across the Nile, swallowing a big chunk of Giza and the major cities at the north end of the Nile near the delta.

We'd know about it if they had. There'd have been writings all over the place about it.


There are too many biblical fits that point to Giza as Jerusalem.

So, tell us... why don't you think that the MODERN day Jerusalem, with its ancient monuments (archaeological sites as old as 3,000 years can be found there) which has ALWAYS been called Jerusalem -- isn't the real Jerusalem.

All the old records refer to it as that. Everything about it says it had the same name throughout history.

Ditto Giza.

Why would you think they suddenly swapped places?


I would also say that ther has been little, if any, conclusive research into my claims. I would like to see them verified by professional, objective individuals.

That's because it's very easy to point to the sites and sigh, "c'mon, now... reality check time. These cities are much older than the pyramids and their names were written long before the pyramids."



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by Byrd
Not that much, truth to tell. They were more influenced by the Phonecians who were their neighbors than by the Egyptians who lived a thousand and more miles away. Culturally there's no evidence of strong contact, and certainly no evidence that they ever worshipped an Egyptian deity.

The "golden calf" was Sumerian, of course.


After the exile in around 586BC, the Jews were a people far removed. Even though a remnant returned, it's clear they never prospered being a nation under bondage. Phonetia is what we now consider Lebanon, and yes the Jew of today takes on many of the qualities of the Phonetian. This would be expected, since he was far removed from his land and began to micro-evolve into the mannerisms of his closest neighbor. The moon worship eminating from the Golden Calf has been said to originate from Egypt, as well as Mesopotamia.


You'll have a hard time supporting that. The people who built the pyramids lived in buildings around them during the time they were building. These buildings are made for average-sized people (5'6" or so.)


These buildings could have been for pyramid builders, or could have been for town residents. There are many theories circulating on who and how. I may have gotton off-topic bringing this up. It's not my intent to go into detail on this. I have my suspicions, though.


They're talking about where the national border went. The Valley of Hinnom is near the town of Hinnom. The Israeli border has NEVER run across the Arabian peninsula (they would have had to taken all Arabia) and down and across the Nile, swallowing a big chunk of Giza and the major cities at the north end of the Nile near the delta.

We'd know about it if they had. There'd have been writings all over the place about it.


Again, my thesis is suggesting that many of the OT cities, which have been "refound" and labeled in the Palestine area, are not the originals. So modern Hinnom would have to be suspect as well. As far as them taking the Nile region. It is Egypt that has taken from Israel. And moreover, it is Israel who is taking from Palestine. The Arabian penninsula was never owned by Israel, though.(I mean in OT times). They owned the land west of the Great Bitter Lake.


So, tell us... why don't you think that the MODERN day Jerusalem, with its ancient monuments (archaeological sites as old as 3,000 years can be found there) which has ALWAYS been called Jerusalem -- isn't the real Jerusalem.

All the old records refer to it as that. Everything about it says it had the same name throughout history.


They once thought that they found Jericho, but later after another visit, had to confess that this particular city didn't match up timewise with the biblical account. My point is that there is such a biased slant enveloping biblical research and archaeology, that, in one's zealous quest to find something out of the bible, located in Palestine; their judgement no longer becomes objective, but skewed into an over-enthusiastic belief, whether they intend to or not. It's like looking for a lost diamond ring in the basement, because you're sure that's where you lost it, but all the while not realizing that it's in the kitchen. Look at the map in the back of a bible, look at all those question marks next to the cities. hmmm.

[edit on 1-2-2005 by CyrusTheShepherd]



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 03:20 PM
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The Egyptians did not build the Great Pyramid

I will keep this short and to the point !

These two questions can not be answered by anyone !

(1) How did the Egyptians find the center of the Landmass of the Earth ?

(2) How did the Egyptians find the Diameter of the earth ?

ANSWER, They did'nt because, they did'nt build the Great Pyramid.

Whoever built the Great Pyramid had to have had this information revealed to them from God, for God surely knows the measurements and could give this information to whomever he chose to, which was King Solomon and his Father David.

I Chron 28:10 Take heed now; for the LORD hath chosen thee to build an house for the sanctuary: be strong, and do it.
11 ¶ Then David gave to Solomon his son the pattern of the porch, and of the houses thereof, and of the treasuries thereof, and of the upper chambers thereof, and of the inner parlours thereof, and of the place of the mercy seat,
12 And the pattern of all that he had by the "Spirit", (revealed to him by the Spirit of God) of the courts of the house of the LORD, and of all the chambers round about, of the treasuries of the house of God, and of the treasuries of the dedicated things: {of all that…: Heb. of all that was with him}
13 Also for the courses of the priests and the Levites, and for all the work of the service of the house of the LORD, and for all the vessels of service in the house of the LORD.
14 He gave of gold by weight for things of gold, for all instruments of all manner of service; silver also for all instruments of silver by weight, for all instruments of every kind of service:
15 Even the weight for the candlesticks of gold, and for their lamps of gold, by weight for every candlestick, and for the lamps thereof: and for the candlesticks of silver by weight, both for the candlestick, and also for the lamps thereof, according to the use of every candlestick.
16 And by weight he gave gold for the tables of shewbread, for every table; and likewise silver for the tables of silver:
17 Also pure gold for the fleshhooks, and the bowls, and the cups: and for the golden basons he gave gold by weight for every bason; and likewise silver by weight for every bason of silver:
18 And for the altar of incense refined gold by weight; and gold for the pattern of the chariot of the cherubims, that spread out their wings, and covered the ark of the covenant of the LORD.
19 All this, said David, the "LORD made me understand" (revealed) in writing by his hand upon me, even all the works of this pattern.
20 And David said to Solomon his son, Be strong and of good courage, and do it: fear not, nor be dismayed: for the LORD God, even my God, will be with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee, until thou hast finished all the work for the service of the house of the LORD.
21 And, behold, the courses of the priests and the Levites, even they shall be with thee for all the service of the house of God: and there shall be with thee for all manner of workmanship every willing skilful man, for any manner of service: also the princes and all the people will be wholly at thy commandment.

A point we need to consider is how "Everything" was precisely measured, just as the Great Pyramid is precisely oreinted and located and the stones precisely cut, the Great Pyramid follows the same pattern layed out by David, From God, For Solomon, who built the Great Pyramid.



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 03:32 PM
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He's talking about this in 1Chronicles, not the Great Pyramid.




posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 05:36 PM
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There was more than one house/temple of God, that King Solomon built unto the Lord.

The Great Pryramid was refered to as the "Great And Wonderful House"
It Had 26 Lions (Sphinx) in front of it, and was far larger than 60 x 20 Cubits.


2 Chron 9:17 Moreover the king made a "Great Throne" of ivory, and overlaid it with pure gold.
18 And there were six steps to the throne, with a footstool of gold, which were fastened to the throne, and stays on each side of the sitting place, and two lions standing by the stays
19 And twelve lions (Sphinx) stood there on the one side and on the other upon the six steps. There was not the like made in "Any Kingdom". 2 Sphinx by the sides of the Great Throne and 24 on the steps around the Throne. 12 Sphinx on the left side+12 Sphinx on the right side

20 And all the drinking vessels of king Solomon were of gold, and all the vessels of the house of the forest of Lebanon were of pure gold: none were of silver; it was not any thing accounted of in the days of Solomon.

21 For the king’s ships went to Tarshish with the servants of Huram: every three years once came the ships of Tarshish bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks.

22 And king Solomon passed "All the kings of the Earth in Riches and Wisdom" . And all the kings of the earth sought the presence of Solomon, to hear his wisdom, that God had put in his heart.

And they brought every man his present, vessels of silver, and vessels of gold, and raiment, harness, and spices, horses, and mules, a rate year by year.
And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem

And he reigned over "All the kings from the "River" even unto the land of the Philistines, and to the "Border of Egypt"
( King Solomon Ruled over the area that we now call the Giza Plateau)


And the king made silver in Jerusalem as stones, and cedar trees made he as the sycomore trees that are in the low plains in abundance.
And they brought unto Solomon horses out of Egypt, and out of all lands.

The Materials used to build the Great and Wonderful House would not fit in a 60 x 20 cubit Space, Would not take 20 years to build and would not require a workforce of 153,000 workers.

The below materials do not include the "Blocks of Stone"

1Ch 22:14 Now, behold, in my trouble I have prepared for the house of the LORD an hundred thousand talents of gold(10,000 TONS, and a thousand thousand talents of silver ( 50,000 TONS ) and of brass and iron without weight for it is in abundance: timber also and stone have I prepared; and thou mayest add thereto.

1Ch 29:4 Even three thousand talents of gold, (300 TONS )of the gold of Ophir, and seven thousand talents of refined silver (350 TONS ), to overlay the walls of the houses withal:

1Ch 29:7 And gave for the service of the house of God of gold five thousand talents (500 TONS )and ten thousand drams, and of silver ten thousand talents ( 500 TONS), and of brass eighteen thousand talents(900 TONS), and one hundred thousand talents of iron(5000 TONS).

2Ch 8:18 And Huram sent him by the hands of his servants ships, and servants that had knowledge of the sea; and they went with the servants of Solomon to Ophir, and took thence four hundred and fifty talents of gold, and brought them to king Solomon.

Further, The Great and Wonderful House was "High"

1Ki 9:8 And at this house, which is high, every one that passeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss; and they shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and to this house?

2Ch 7:21 And this house, which is high, shall be an "Astonishment" to every one that passeth by it; so that he shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and unto this house?


To This Day People Are "ASTONISHED" and Wonder What Happened To The People That Built The Great Pyramid And Why It Became A Desolate Land



posted on Feb, 2 2005 @ 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
There was more than one house/temple of God, that King Solomon built unto the Lord.


I disagree.


he Great Pryramid was refered to as the "Great And Wonderful House"
It Had 26 Lions (Sphinx) in front of it, and was far larger than 60 x 20 Cubits.


The only scriptural reference to God's house being great and wonderful is in 2Chronicles 2:9. It reads-

"Even to prepare me timber in abundance: for the house which I am about to build [shall be] wonderful great."

Where was timber used in the Great Pyramid?


2 Sphinx by the sides of the Great Throne and 24 on the steps around the Throne. 12 Sphinx on the left side+12 Sphinx on the right side


Hugh? This description of Solomon's throne has nothing to do with the Great Pyramid.



And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem


If you look at an aerial map of the long stretch of once gated land north of "Menkaure" and directly west or behind "Khafre", you'll see a comblike array of narrow slits going along the west side. These could be some of the stalls mentioned, not all 4,000 though, there were more in other cities.



The Materials used to build the Great and Wonderful House would not fit in a 60 x 20 cubit Space, Would not take 20 years to build and would not require a workforce of 153,000 workers.


The long causeway alone, if covered with gold could have easily compensated for half of the gold mentioned. There were the priest parlours also, in which they prepared the sacrifice. It took 7 tears to build, not 20. 13 for Solomon's house, which also can be included with the material.




1Ch 22:14 Now, behold, in my trouble I have prepared for the house of the LORD an hundred thousand talents of gold(10,000 TONS, and a thousand thousand talents of silver ( 50,000 TONS ) and of brass and iron without weight for it is in abundance: timber also and stone have I prepared; and thou mayest add thereto.

1Ch 29:4 Even three thousand talents of gold, (300 TONS )of the gold of Ophir, and seven thousand talents of refined silver (350 TONS ), to overlay the walls of the houses withal:

1Ch 29:7 And gave for the service of the house of God of gold five thousand talents (500 TONS )and ten thousand drams, and of silver ten thousand talents ( 500 TONS), and of brass eighteen thousand talents(900 TONS), and one hundred thousand talents of iron(5000 TONS).


As much as I know, 1 talent equals 75 lbs. So..

100,000 talents of gold would equal 3,750 tons, not 10,000.
1,000,000 talents of silver would equal 37,500 tons, not 50,000
3,000 talents of Ophir gold would equal 112.5 tons, not 300.
7,500 talents of refined silver would equal 262.5 tons, not 350.
5,000 talents of gold would equal 187.5 tons, not 500.
5,000 talents of silver would equal 187.5 tons, not 500.
18,000 talents of brass would equal 675 tons, not 900.
100,000 talents of iron would equal 3,750 tons, not 10,000.

But even if you computed your measurements with a heavier talent, there is ample buildings(2), causeway, parlour, court to cover.


Further, The Great and Wonderful House was "High"


High according to house standards. It was built upon 3 measures of hewn stone as the foundation, which raised it up.

No, the Great Pyramid was not built by Solomon. It is God's holy mountain...Mt. Zion.

And yet, there will be a house established upon it. This house will come down from heaven. It is the mountain of the Lord's house, and it will be established upon the top of the mountain....



A self-proclaimed prophet is of not much validity. I believe you have prophetic giftings, but you are not correct 100% of the time. I am not a prophet, but I have prophetic giftings. I am wrong some of the time. My brother, Israel, who IS a prophet does not proclaim himself to be one.
You need to humbly understand this, to be of any good in the advancement of the kingdom of God. I'd advise you for starters, to drop the nickname. lf you are a true prophet, others will proclaim it, not yourself.
You need also, to understand who I am and what my role is.

Steve



posted on Feb, 2 2005 @ 01:35 AM
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I remember point blank refuting you then based upon scripture too... I forgot to IM you all the stuff I didn't get a chance to put up before they closed the other one down. That's alright, I got it on a notebook....somewhere. I might have to wait a month before I fifnd it though.

Are you forgetting that Solomon's temple was rather exact in the several seprate books of the Bible......it was a giant rectangle with room for much of Jerusalem to wander in and out....and the rooms inside the temple couldn't fit the wings of the Cherubs they had carved, lol....not to mention God gave them ISRAEL, not Egypt...they Left Egypt behind after Moses. Also, the Hebrews didn't willingly let the Ark of the covenant leave their lands after the last battle with the Phillestines had it devastate many diffrent peoples...and the Ark was kept in the temple. Also, the Temple was made with precious stones, not limestone, and it as covered by expensive wood inside AND out...no use for carvings on stone when it's covered in wood. aLso, the temple's always been in Jerusalem, except for the taernacle tent they used up until Solomon. The temple was built on a hill city, surrounded by a city, and was the center of a Kingdom....none of this even romotely is similar to the pyramid....also, if Solomon's temple was destroyed as both Biblical history and the conquering nation that destryed it have both agreed on to the detail, then why is the pyramid still standing?



posted on Feb, 2 2005 @ 02:24 AM
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Nope.I don't think this guy's theory is worth mentioning either.

Though,I do think The Great Pyramids have something to do with the Egyption religion,there some kind of a Judeo-Christianity mixed altogether in this stuff.Quite a hard topic to debate about guys.Good luck!

P.S:If what you're saying in this thread is proven true,I really pity the researchers,scientists,archeologist,egyptologists and what have you.All their effort going down the drain.



posted on Feb, 2 2005 @ 08:12 AM
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posted on Feb, 2 2005 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Heartagram
P.S:If what you're saying in this thread is proven true,I really pity the researchers,scientists,archeologist,egyptologists and what have you.All their effort going down the drain.






posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 08:29 PM
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Cyrus, there seems to be several points you overlook.

Firstly, a 60 x 20 cubit temple would not be considered a " WONDER " when you compare it to the Great Pyramid.

This 60 x 20 temple was not " HIGH" by any standard, however one would consider the Great Pyramid to be "HIGH"

Further proof of the Great and Wonderful House being "HIGH" is seen in this verse;
2Ch 9:4 And the meat of his table, and the sitting of his servants, and the attendance of his ministers, and their apparel; his cupbearers also, and their apparel; and his ascent by which he went up into the house of the LORD; there was no more spirit in her.

Clearly in that verse it shows that King Solomon "WENT UP" into the house of the lord, it was an "Awesome" sight to behold, the way he "Ascended Up" into the Great Pyramid.

A little common sense woud tell you that the people would stand in "AWE" of the Great Pyramid as apposed to a 60 x 20 temple, excluding the fact that you could not fit even the 100,000 tons of Iron in a 60 x 20 cubit space, it is a rediculous assumption that all the materials went into building a temple 60 x 20 cubits.

To the Talents
A Talent of Gold was twice the weight of a Talent of Silver
A Talent of Gold was equal to approx. 190 lbs.
A Talent of Silver was approx. 95 lbs.
To make the math much easier I rounded them both out so that 100 Talents of Gold equaled 1 Ton, and 200 Talents of Silver equaled 1 Ton.

If you just look at all the materials alone, they would not fit in a 60 x 20 cubit space and this does not include the stone blocks that were used.

King Solomon had the manpower, the resources, the associates necessary, the skilled craftsmen, the abundance of diamonds necessary for the saws they used to cut the stone blocks. He had the ability and know-how to move the blocks over great distances,

This is what the abundance of timber was used for, to move the Blocks. The Great And Wonderful House was made of Stone Blocks, the same kind and size blocks that were used in the Great Pyramid.

He used axle carts to transport the blocks and also the "Tens of Thousands of Tons" of Gold, Silver, Brass and Iron King Solomon possessed, that went into the building of the Giza Plateau Structures. He also used the wood from the trees of Lebanon to build the carts, the ships and other equipment necessary to complete this Great Project.

It is clear from the Bible that he built other "CITIES" also throughout the land of Egypt.
He had tens of thousands of Chariots and Horsemen that would bring people up from lower Egypt to BEHOLD the "MAGNIFICENT CITY OF GOD" AND GOD'S HOUSE, THE GREAT PYRAMID.

King Solomon Built "HEAVEN ON EARTH" Silver was as stones on the ground in this Great City.
All of this is recorded in the Bible.

The Giza Plateau was a Earthly representation and foreshadow of the "New Jerusalem" that we see coming down from Heaven to the Earth in the Book Of Revelations


Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that "Great City", the Holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto "A Stone" most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And the City had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.


We also know that originaly the Great Pyramid was covered with "White" limestone casing stones with writings over them, just like the "White Stone" with writings God will give us..
Re 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a "White Stone", and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.


To get an Idea of the Grandeur of this City, the Bible tells the story of one particular visitor and her visit to the Giza Plateau for the first time.

The Queen of Sheba had heard about this Great City and the House King Solomon had built unto the Lord. The stories she had heard of the city were so fascinating that they were unbelievable. She decided to take the long journey to Jerusalem to see for herself. She brought with her as a gift to the King, "SIX TONS" of Gold along with an abundance of precious stones and materials. Upon her arrival she was "AWE STRUCK" and "FAINTED"
After she was revived she made these comments: This City far exceeds all that was told unto me and actually, the Half was not told The exceeding Glory of this City is truly astounding..

THE MATH:
The Great Pyramid is 481 feet high which equals 288 Cubits, which is 2 x 144 Cubits
The Sphinx is 240 feet long which equals 144 Cubits. 240 feet also represents 6 x 40, Forty Years Israel wandered in the wilderness before they went into the land flowing with milk and honey which was the Giza Plateau. 6 is also the number of man and is also encoded in the structures.
The Sphinx is 66 feet high

The 144,000 is the number of the 12 Tribes of Israel, that have the "Everlasting Gospel To Preach To The World befor the setting up of the "Eternal Kingdom" of the last days, each tribe contains 12,000 Men.

Within the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid there is a "Coffer" the measurements of the coffer are 51 inches long by 31 inches high, this equals 2 1/2 Cubits by 1 1/2 Cubit, this is the �Exact� same size as the "ARK OF THE COVENANT"
The width of the Kings Chamber is 34 feet or 20 Cubits.
King Solomon had a pair of Golden Cherubim's made and placed in a inner room of God�s House (The Great Pyramid) The Wings of these Cherubim touched from one wall to the other wall in this inner room. The Wingspan of the two Cherubim combined side by side equaled "EXACTLY" TWENTY CUBITS or 34 feet, the same as the width of the Kings Chamber.

Another Point:
The Sphinx faces east, towards the rising of the Sun, the dawn of day. WHY ?

It is awaiting the"'DAWN OF A NEW DAY" in which the Giza Plateau will be transformed into a "GREATER GLORY" than that of the Days of King Solomon.
The Day that the "NEW JERUSALEM" will come down form Heaven and the "KINGDOM OF GOD" will be established on Earth "FOREVER"



posted on Feb, 4 2005 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
Further proof of the Great and Wonderful House being "HIGH" is seen in this verse;
2Ch 9:4 And the meat of his table, and the sitting of his servants, and the attendance of his ministers, and their apparel; his cupbearers also, and their apparel; and his ascent by which he went up into the house of the LORD; there was no more spirit in her.



Clearly in that verse it shows that King Solomon "WENT UP" into the house of the lord, it was an "Awesome" sight to behold, the way he "Ascended Up" into the Great Pyramid.

A little common sense woud tell you that the people would stand in "AWE" of the Great Pyramid as apposed to a 60 x 20 temple, excluding the fact that you could not fit even the 100,000 tons of Iron in a 60 x 20 cubit space, it is a rediculous assumption that all the materials went into building a temple 60 x 20 cubits.


The ascent was up the causeway. You've not considered the 3 courses of stone, in which the Menkaure complex fits, I've already explained that there was much more than just the 60x20 structure, there was Solomon's house, which was 100x50 PLUS the porch, that alone compensates for more than 5 TIMES the cubic space of the House of the LORD.

The Great Pyramid is evident throughout scripture, even before Solomon. This is Mount Zion. This mountain will be rebuilt to excell in its' former glory.
Psalm 102:
13Thou shalt arise, and have mercy upon Zion: for the time to favour her, yea, the set time, is come.
14For thy servants take pleasure in her stones, and favour the dust thereof.

Solomon actually took the Ark out of the tabernacle which was located at the base of Zion, to bring it to the 60x20 House.(1Kings 1:8)





The Giza Plateau was a Earthly representation and foreshadow of the "New Jerusalem" that we see coming down from Heaven to the Earth in the Book Of Revelations


This is only partially true. The Giza Plateau will be rebuilt to house the Lord Jesus Christ himself, in the flesh. This is where the millenial temple will be rebuilt. It is more than just a forshortened image of the past of what the Heavenly Jerusalem is. Yes, the 1,500 sq. mile city will come down, but only after the 1,000 year reign.

There will be a frame of a city on the south(top) side outside the utter court, this is where multitudes of people who are fortunate enough to live in Jerusalem, will do so. All the way (up) the "Nile" at the southern portion of true Egypt lies the High Answan Dam. Currently, it is retaining the largest man-made lake in the world in Nassar. During the tribulation, this "mouth" of the serpent will open, or break, causing multitudes of water to flow down into the holy city and flood it. Rev 12:15, Daniel 9:26. The people living in Judah at this time are warned to flee into the mountains and go up on their rooftops, no doubt due to the flood(Matthew 24:16-17). This is why it is imperative not to start building the temple. However, the street and wall(s) of Mt. Zion shall be built, see below. They will be built with material that will not be affected by water corrosion. They will be built at the commandment to do so. No sooner. The 70 weeks of Daniel are literal weeks, by the way.




We also know that originaly the Great Pyramid was covered with "White" limestone casing stones with writings over them, just like the "White Stone" with writings God will give us..
Re 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a "White Stone", and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.


If you are under the assumption that I have lessened the importance of Mt. Zion, because I have correctly pointed to the original 60x20 temple. You're wrong, actually, I have given it MORE importance than you have. This is where Jesus will reign from, this is his holy mountain. This is where his altar will be. This is his HOUSE.

Of course, this is what he is reffering to with the white stone, of course, the ark fit perfectly in the coffer, of course the mathematical dimensions are divinely inspired,of course, of course, of course!

But....Solomon didn't build it.

You need to get beyond this, so you can understand that I speak of times of refreshing, not just relicing on the past and how it symbolically represented the New Jerusalem.



Another Point:
The Sphinx faces east, towards the rising of the Sun, the dawn of day. WHY ?

It is awaiting the"'DAWN OF A NEW DAY" in which the Giza Plateau will be transformed into a "GREATER GLORY" than that of the Days of King Solomon.
The Day that the "NEW JERUSALEM" will come down form Heaven and the "KINGDOM OF GOD" will be established on Earth "FOREVER"


Not true, the Sphinx is an abominable beast. It's ludicrous to think that just because its facing east means it is divinely inspired. Check this out...

Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, [were] about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

Hmmm, they worshipped the sun? AND it was abominable to do so, they forsook the LORD, having their backs to him.

Also, How can they worship the sun if they are in an enclosed chamber in the heart of the pyramid. There was no window facing east.

You have to understand the chronology of events. We all should await the dawning of the Heavenly Jerusalem, but first, there is the millenial reign.
You also have to understand where precisely the New Jerusalem is, I mean literally, physically, which you don't.

Here's a riddle for you...
Answer it correctly and I'll continue conversing with you.
Otherwise, humbly ask for the answer, and I will give it.

Jeremiah 5:21-22

How can the sand of the sea prevent waves from going over the sand?
Tsunamis, hurricanes, tidal waves all have passed over the sand.

Ask.




[edit on 4-2-2005 by CyrusTheShepherd]



posted on Feb, 4 2005 @ 11:24 AM
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good grief...................last day.........i will give you this........you are very passionate about your views.

i have a hard time following some of the logic in your theories.

i have never in my 41 yrs heard the theories that you are bringing up out here. i grew up in the church..........i still am in church........i've never heard anything that giza could be the "new jerusalem" ..........

i'm a bit at a loss of the volumes of information you've thrown out here and am still trying to work through all of it.........

could it be possible that you are reading MUCH more in to the dimensions of the sphinx and pyramids..........than the egyptians just having excellent engineering skills for the time???

i don't know............your theories leave me very skeptical as to the hard science behind them............they come off more as an arm chair bible scholar who is looking at a very small piece of a very large puzzle......

kind of like putting a very large elephant in a room with several blindfolded individuals..........each one is feeling a different part of the elephant and all of their guesses are totally off track..........

it would seem like you are focusing on a very small piece of a very ancient puzzle......by doing so you are not looking at the ENTIRE BIG PICTURE.

and BTW..........i am NOT of SATAN........i am NOT an UNBELIEVER.......but before i can embrace these theories that for me are REALLY REALLY out there......i just need hard proof ..............and i'm not seeing it here.


angie



posted on Feb, 4 2005 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by CyrusTheShepherd
The moon worship eminating from the Golden Calf has been said to originate from Egypt, as well as Mesopotamia.


The moon was never worshipped in Egypt. Thoth was originally a moon god, but by the time of dynastic Egypt (when the Jews, presumanbly would have come into contact with them), there was no such thing as a "moon god" or "moon worship." People worshipped the Pharoah as the divine god.


These buildings could have been for pyramid builders, or could have been for town residents. There are many theories circulating on who and how. I may have gotton off-topic bringing this up. It's not my intent to go into detail on this. I have my suspicions, though.


It was for the builders. Their tools and their writings and their tombs are there at Giza. You may have your suspicions, but they do not match the facts.


Again, my thesis is suggesting that many of the OT cities, which have been "refound" and labeled in the Palestine area, are not the originals.

The Egyptian towns have names and temples and on the temples are the hieroglyphics that spell out the name of the town. There are staggering amounts of records about these towns, including descriptions of where they are and rudimentary maps as well.

There are no Hebrew writings there, the names are not Hebrew in origin. They are all Egyptian.

Furthermore, there are historic records (Greek, Roman, etc) locating those Jewish towns near or in Israel.

So explain why you doubt the Romans, Greeks, Sumerians, Egyptians -- and the Israelites themselves? Surely they knew where they were. There's a huge difference between Israel and Egypt.



So, tell us... why don't you think that the MODERN day Jerusalem, with its ancient monuments (archaeological sites as old as 3,000 years can be found there) which has ALWAYS been called Jerusalem -- isn't the real Jerusalem.


They once thought that they found Jericho, but later after another visit, had to confess that this particular city didn't match up timewise with the biblical account.


Jericho was destroyed in ancient times, so its location can be questioned. Jerusalem hasn't been wiped away since its founding.

So how do you justify that the city which has been in the same site for over 3,000 years with the same name is not Jerusalem?


d1k

posted on Feb, 4 2005 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by LadyV

Originally posted by knobby_roerr
Weren't the pyramids built well after the sphinx, like centuries after?

Yes...it has been discovered now that the Sphinx has water corrosion at it's base....so it was there when the desert was covered in water...a very, very long time ago!


This is an inaccurate statement. The desert was never in water. No where near the time frame of the sphinx or pyramid. Maybe millions of years ago but not anytime anyone was building anything anywhere. They do how ever believe they had a pool around the sphinx for what ever reason that caused the water erosion. I'll try to find a link and update this post.



posted on Feb, 4 2005 @ 12:23 PM
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d1k,
Most researchers believe that the Pyramids and Sphinx were built around 4,500 years ago. Recently, some researchers have argued that the Egyptian monuments are much older than originally thought. Water and rain were present in Egypt 11,000 years ago, which would make the Sphinx almost 6,000 years older than conventional age estimates.



posted on Feb, 4 2005 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
Let us for a moment put aside all that we have been told about the Great Pyramid and look at all the facts that can be proven and come to a logical conclusion....

...The current boundaries are a deception perpetrated by the Master Of All Deception Satan, who in an effort to hide from us the proof of God's Plan made in stone on the Giza Plateau


You lost me right there.

Never call a statement like that a "Fact". It discredits both your arguement and the English Language.

It may be a teaching of your religion--I can respect that.
It may be your personal opinion--I can respect that as well.
It may be a commonly held belief, by a group of people--I can even respect that.

But to state something like "Satan hid X from us, in order to thwart God's Plan" as being "fact" alienates any reasonably educated reader from even wanting to hear the rest of your arguement. It equally alienates the pious reader, who sees blasphemy in someone who purports to know God's Plan.

In the future, please refrain from using the word "fact" unless it is, truly, a fact. Something that can be weighted, measured, or otherwise, proven beyond dispute, by universally accepted means.





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