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originally posted by: Vehemens
Apparently OP doesn't know the Illuminati = Vatican/Jesuits...
Hegelian Dialect in simple terms for you = When you create something you also create it's opposition before someone else you don't control remembers to do so.
Hamas = CIA/Mossad
ISIS = CIA/Mossad
originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed
originally posted by: Buddyman
You (really) lost me here OP:
"You are told that the current power structures allegedly *are* the NWO or the Illuminati (which of course is entirely absurd!) and it's those groups who allegedly spray chemtrails and poison your drinking water."
The points you have made here are blatently false,as they are actually a reality..this thread is "entirely absurd"
So wait..explain to me when this alleged change from a bad, old world order to new world order happened? So you think the Illuminati managed to overtake society/governments at some time...ah....but then why is that the same principles like from the middle-ages are still at work?
And you believe the Illuminati (or the NWO) are spraying, poisoning etc..WHY? Because you READ it somewhere...because someone told you so? Someone like Alex Jones? Or David Icke? People who by some amazing coincidence are normally also always at the very right spectrum and..who amazingly ALSO very often consider themselves "Christian".
(This, my OP thread, by the way, also explains nicely the relationship between being political conservative/right, being religious and believing in or spreading false conspiracy theories..... You never ever wondered about this odd relationship?)
Ah..and what points I made are false? They are not. It's you who fell for the lies.
originally posted by: felonius
a reply to: NoRulesAllowed
Sorry but your admonishment to support the "illuminati" (of Georgia Guidestone fame) holds no water.
The problem with your comparison of the old order versus the "new" is that the new order was started by the same families the first one was corrupted by. It's kind of like pulling the power cord on a video game and starting from scratch, erasing all of the high scores. Not to mention the fact that we would lose national sovereignty. So no, I'm not buying it. As far as the Church goes, you are correct but this isn't the 1500's & no one is getting burned at the stake for views counter to the Church or for committing heresy. Ergo, the old order stays, I still call myself American and any person, organization or political position who conspires, contributes or acts in defense of plans to end our sovereignty, is guilty of treason and is a traitor to our country. And those are not the people I will ever put faith in.
originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed
The Illuminati, "the enlightened ones", were a select few who realized a very inconvenient truth. A truth which back at the time, and even today, to find out would literally be earth shattering:
The *true* agenda of power structures and in particular the true, vile and evil agenda of the church. A church who uses the name of god and Jesus to commit atrocities, kill thousands of "witches", thousands of thinkers and scientists during inquisition simply since their findings and opinions were inconvenient for those that rule(d) the planet.
The Illuminati "opposes superstition, prejudice, religious influence over public life and abuses of state power, and to support women's education and gender equality".
Wow. That are some "horrible" things. Imagine! No surprise that the church hunted them down and suppressed them.
However, what's worse is that the tale of that the Illuminati (and with them a proposed NWO, which is a NEW order for the world) is supposed to be EVIL is actually still spread today. Conspiracy theorists are MADE (!) to believe that the Illuminati are the bad guys. They are told the NWO is a bad thing since the CURRENT power structures are obviously so wonderful and beautiful they must be kept at all costs.
New ideas and ideals, such as those written on the Georgia Guide Stones (just picking an example) are being opposed and demonized. You are made to believe it's better to go to Church and pray (like you did for millennia already) without this ever having changed the world ONE BIT). You are actively hindered and brainwashed to actually change this world. You are trained to live in fear and to be passive.
People await "the end times" and believe "the end is near" because "the signs are everywhere"...like they did for thousands of years already.
A wonderful example in a post yesterday where someone said: "Well, just embrace Jesus and run for the hills" --- this is exactly what "they" want you to do: Run away in fear and do NOTHING.
The same people who spread that the Illuminati and a new order for this world would be bad...are also the same people who spread fantasy stories such as Chemtrails. It serves the purpose that you are even MORE living in fear, in addition from your fear you get taught in Church.
You are told that the current power structures allegedly *are* the NWO or the Illuminati (which of course is entirely absurd!) and it's those groups who allegedly spray chemtrails and poison your drinking water. In other words: You are told fantasy stories so that you really believe that the GOOD guys are the evil ones and the EVIL ones are the good guys. Old tactic. Similar to like the church used to point fingers at others, calling them "evil" or witches or heretics while happily murdering at the same time "in the name of god". Absurd world where the evil ones call themselves the good ones and those who want this to change are of course branded enemies, the "bad guys". Even more absurd that people actually BUY THIS.
There was a reason the Illuminati were called the enlightened ones. For the majority of people, the light bulb above their head did not and will never light up. It would be a bad thing for those in power if the truth came out, it would be bad for the church if people realize that the church actually trains for hate, intolerance, dead, guilt, fear and all negative things that are even imaginable.
So, instead of becoming "enlightened" and pose a danger and possibly participate in changing the world....it's better if you just "embrace Jesus" and run, run and run! And don't forget to look upwards because the evil Illuminati, the NWO is going to get you with their chemtrails if you don't!