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Islamic State urges Muslims to kill Australian ‘unbelievers’

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posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 07:03 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Kryties

Just curious.

Exactly what 'freedoms' are they planning on taking away from you?


Don't know yet, the Fat Abbott hasn't informed us. Methinks we'll find out pretty soon though.


Do you think there is a genuine threat of terrorist act against Australia from IS sympathisers etc?


There is always the threat of someone doing something to another country they do not agree with. This is no different. I shall not be changing the way I live, or upping my fear levels, just because some idiot politician whose sole purpose in life is to emulate Bush Jnr says so.


Do you think Australia should just ignore what's going on in Iraq / Syria and allow IS to continue to grow in power and influence.


IS only grew in power and influence because of decades of western interference in their countries. Had we not interfered, IS, and indeed AL-Qaeda, would not exist. We cannot ignore them now, but it is our own faults (or rather those of our governments) that this is occurring in the first place.


Do you think Australia should just turn a blind eye to the slaughter and injustice?


No, but we must never forget that it was the West that initiated these decades of slaughter and injustice that is now rising to a head.
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posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 07:10 AM
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He added that Australia had been a target of terrorist organisations in the past, including from al-Qaeda and its offshoots, “because we are free, pluralist, tolerant, welcoming and accepting”.


Oh god, c'mon now. I thought they were done with this really low brow, obvious BS propaganda??


Yes, yes...





The Islamic jihadis hate us because of our freedom. It all started when Habib Harocka Oldskahooli was sitting in an Afghani cave circa 1999, and he said, "Brothers, you know, I think we need to ramp up our terror efforts. Contact that rich Saudi boy so we can get his money for our cause, and lets branch out, start attacking NATO countries, because, god Allah Damn it, they have TOO much freedom. We don't like freedom, and they are a threat because of that. Not to mention 21 flavours of ice cream, who needs that much? And they also welcome the evil Santa Claus demon every year, and that rabbit, you know, the pet of Yog and Magog, they feed it and worship it, like an idol. We must obliterate them, especially the innocent ones, and the babies, kill the baby infidels."

History of terror 101 according to really bad press releases of Western governments.


You can just say the truth now, even though people in the ME hate the West because of their foreign policy which is trying to control all the natural resource trade and keep it away from the Russians, is the real reason some hate the West over there.... it doesn't matter. Because even if thats the reason IS uses, they are not fighting a legitimate war, they are not a proper revolution or revolt, their actions are revolting and they are not supported by people there, they won their leadership in blood. No better than a warlord dictator.



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 07:20 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

I'd add to that list:

Do you think Australia should tell Obama to go **** himself, adding, "you broke it, you own it"!


Just a suggestion!



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 07:25 AM
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originally posted by: Britguy

Do you think Australia should tell Obama to go **** himself, adding, "you broke it, you own it"!




I'll second that



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 07:33 AM
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a reply to: Dark Ghost


from the disbelievers waging war


This is important to note...
They're not talking about Atheists or other Faiths...
They are speaking of those who wage war against Islam...
Well that's what the Quran says, it doesn't say to harm innocent unbelievers...

They are starting to use Jihad in the correct term, which is alarming...
Because up till now they've been far from Islamic!
edit on 22-9-2014 by CharlieSpeirs because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: Expat888

Yep' must obviously be propaganda. :roll eyes:

Those of us who have experienced the world and have been unfortunate enough to see first hand what many Muslim immigrants in Europe believe see the real threat presented here.

I wish I could bury my head in the sand like many people here on ATS, it's afterall much easier pretending it's all some evil propaganda than the fact that a certain group of people truly hates our guts.



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 07:50 AM
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a reply to: Kryties

I'm sorry if I appear a bit slow or stupid but I haven't been keeping up with Australian politics recently so there may be a few gaps in my basic understanding and knowledge that you or others may take for granted.



Don't know yet, the Fat Abbott hasn't informed us. Methinks we'll find out pretty soon though.


So these restrictions of freedoms are definitely coming?
Is this fact or just opinion?



There is always the threat of someone doing something to another country they do not agree with.


Indeed.
But there are specific threats being made against Australia and its people - is this new or is this threat more credible than previous threats?



This is no different. I shall not be changing the way I live, or upping my fear levels,.....


I'm British and lived through threw the IRA years, 7/7 etc, - I never let the terrorist threat intimidate me nor has anyone else I know - but common sense must prevail in the light of specific threats and it does pay to be more vigilant.



.... just because some idiot politician whose sole purpose in life is to emulate Bush Jnr says so.


Unfortunately there's far too many of them the world over.



IS only grew in power and influence because of decades of western interference in their countries. Had we not interfered, IS, and indeed AL-Qaeda, would not exist.


Of course there's more than just an element of truth in that.
But the divisions, ignorance, intolerance and barbarism within Islam itself that IS and other extremists prey on has always existed.
The hatred between Sunni and Shi'a has absolutely nothing to do with 'the West'.
The extreme interpretations of Islam that the terrorists use to justify their barbarism has nothing to do with 'the West'.
The bigotry and intolerance towards 'infidels' has nothing to do with 'the West'.

Sure, the constant meddling and interfering has not helped, indeed has actively contributed to create the environment for these fundamentalists to thrive and prosper.
And as a result 'we' have a moral responsibility to the region - but its imperative that 'we' learn lessons from 'our' previous mistakes - something we seem incapable of. In fact we seem intent on repeating those same mistakes over and over again.
Makes one suspect that maybe, and just maybe, there's some truth in the theory that these 'mistakes' may actually be intentional.

But its time we acknowledged that the core issue lies with the very nature of Islam and the culture of the region itself.

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posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 08:06 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn

So these restrictions of freedoms are definitely coming?
Is this fact or just opinion?


Our PM just announced it today on public TV.



There is always the threat of someone doing something to another country they do not agree with.
Indeed.
But there are specific threats being made against Australia and its people - is this new or is this threat more credible than previous threats?


Don't know. All we have been told is that terrorists are planning to attack Aussies and therefore we all need to change our pants. A few days ago the Australian Federal Police did a massive raid around Sydney with 800 officers and arrested 2 people who were apparently planning on killing Aussies in public.



I'm British and lived through threw the IRA years, 7/7 etc, - I never let the terrorist threat intimidate me nor has anyone else I know - but common sense must prevail in the light of specific threats and it does pay to be more vigilant.


I am not an idiot, I do recognise that there are terrorists out there and that there is a potential (no matter how remote) that they may strike here. But the thing is, since Tony Abbott came to power he has done everything he possibly can to emulate the actions of his hero, George W. Bush (the speech about freedoms he gave today was virtually identical to Bushes speech that paved the way for the Patriot Act). The man scares the bejesus out of me, and most other Aussies. We don't know what to believe - whether it's an actual credible current threat or just fear porn being produced by a government that wants to gain more control of the populace ala America-style.



Unfortunately there's far too many of them the world over.


Agreed, but there is something about Tony Abbott and his government mob that is particularly frightening.



And as a result 'we' have a moral responsibility to the region - but its imperative that 'we' learn lessons from 'our' previous mistakes - something we seem incapable of. In fact we seem intent on repeating those same mistakes over and over again.
Makes one suspect that maybe, and just maybe, there's some truth in the theory that these 'mistakes' may actually be intentional.


Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.


But its time we acknowledged that the core issue lies with the very nature of Islam and the culture of the region itself.


Islam itself is not the issue, it's the interpretation of it. Calling Islam, in general, the problem is like vilifying the whole of Christianity because of the actions of the Westborough Baptist Church.



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 08:09 AM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Dark Ghost


from the disbelievers waging war


This is important to note...
They're not talking about Atheists or other Faiths...
They are speaking of those who wage war against Islam...
Well that's what the Quran says, it doesn't say to harm innocent unbelievers...

They are starting to use Jihad in the correct term, which is alarming...
Because up till now they've been far from Islamic!


If what you say is true, how is ISIS beginning to use the legitimate term of jihad if they also stated the following:


"If you can kill a disbelieving American or European — especially the spiteful and filthy French — or an Australian, or a Canadian, or any other disbeliever from the disbelievers waging war, including the citizens of the countries that entered into a coalition against the Islamic State..."

"...Kill the disbeliever whether he is civilian or military, for they have the same ruling."


These quote from the source material still seem to indicate that ISIS is not beginning to wage jihad in its legitimate sense, as they are still targeting civilians.
edit on 22-9-2014 by daaskapital because: clarification



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: Auricom


I wish I could bury my head in the sand like many people here on ATS, it's afterall much easier pretending it's all some evil propaganda than the fact that a certain group of people truly hates our guts.

It's not a matter of burying our heads in the sand, I don't necessarily disagree with a war against ISIS because they need to be destroyed one way or another, but I'm highly suspicious of the tactics used to stir up support for the war and I'm worried about the freedoms they wish to take from us in the process. A few days ago they just happened to catch a few terrorists who supposedly planned to behead Australians, and now this... the timing is extremely suspicious and only a fool would not question it. It's the same old tactics imo, make people scared about terrorists so they can justify foreign invasions and slowly strip our freedoms from us.



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: daaskapital

It's complicated my friend, if a civillian is waging war they're no better than military personnel...

That is a legitimate Jihad, to fight defending Islam...
Not to attack for the fun of it which is what they've done so far...



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 08:16 AM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

It does seem complicated.

Is it fair to kill a civilian belonging to a state which wages war? Even if they have no say in what the government of their state does? Because that's what ISIS seems to be saying in the material. They are encouraging the killing of civilians for the actions of their governments. That is what i'm picking up anyway...

Thanks for the reply.



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 08:18 AM
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a reply to: daaskapital


Is it fair to kill a civilian belonging to a state which wages war? Even if they have no say in what the government of their state does?


In that case no it wouldn't be right or Islamic...
I see what you're saying now and I agree, it does seem as if IS have made it sound like legitimate Jihad...



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 08:21 AM
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originally posted by: daaskapital
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

It does seem complicated.

Is it fair to kill a civilian belonging to a state which wages war? Even if they have no say in what the government of their state does? Because that's what ISIS seems to be saying in the material. They are encouraging the killing of civilians for the actions of their governments. That is what i'm picking up anyway...

Thanks for the reply.


with all due respect to a fellow member, that's a captain obvious question...innocent civilians have always been killed for the actions of their leaders



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 08:33 AM
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a reply to: Kryties



Our PM just announced it today on public TV.


I'm amazed he would announce something like that without giving details.



Don't know. All we have been told is that terrorists are planning to attack Aussies and therefore we all need to change our pants. A few days ago the Australian Federal Police did a massive raid around Sydney with 800 officers and arrested 2 people who were apparently planning on killing Aussies in public.


That raid was quite big news here in the UK.
And to a man everyone who I know who spoke about it was impressed with the way Australian authorities dealt with it; a very clear and public message to the would-be terrorists - Do Not Mess With Australia.

I don't know how authentic or credible the threat is but having witnessed the after effects of terrorist attacks I'd rather the authorities be a bit over the top than be too cautious.

There's a fine balance that needs to be found nowadays between preservation of civil liberties and prevention of terrorist attacks etc.



I am not an idiot,


I know....that's why I asked you these questions and no-one else.
I know I will get reasoned and considered replies.

I understand the concerns you have about Abbott and the uncertainty you feel.
We've been there with Blair and Brown.
In fact we're probably still there - Cameron is definitely no better, its just after Blair and Brown all politicians are treat with extreme mistrust and suspicion, most of us worked Cameron out a long time ago.



Islam itself is not the issue, it's the interpretation of it. Calling Islam, in general, the problem is like vilifying the whole of Christianity because of the actions of the Westborough Baptist Church.


But I don't see followers of Westborough Baptist Church beheading people in the middle of the street, slaughtering whole communities for being a different faith or apostates or even a different brand of the same faith.

I have no religious axe to grind or agenda to promote, I'm Agnostic.
But there's no getting away from the biggest common denominator - Islam.
I'm not saying Muslims, or most Muslims, but there always seems to be one or more of the numerous extremist interpretations of Islam involved - that's not coincidence.



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

We have two major sporting events coming in the next couple of weeks, each will attract around 100,000 people into a small area.

We are also hosting the cricket World Cup next year, so there are genuine possibilities of threats being made for those events.



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 08:48 AM
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I've had enough of the whole Islamic terrorist thing. It's on the news every day I just change the channel.

It's the same cr*p since 9/11 for the past 13 years. Some military analysts I've heard, and I agree, say this same cr*p will be going on for another generation, 25 years or more.

SNIP

Unfortunately I've seen it all before and it's the same old show.
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posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

Sorry mate, I realise that the way I am replying is coming across a little harsh - that is not my intent. I have just spent the last 3 days helping move my wifes Aunt to a new house and I'm completely exhausted, and I think it's showing in the wording of my posts.

I think the biggest issue a lot of us Aussies are having is the fact, as I mentioned, that we don't know if we can trust Abbott or not. Nothing he has done so far (the biggest thing being a Federal Budget that clearly wages war on the poor) has gained him any confidence at all amongst the Australian public. Even die-hard Liberal Party supporters who normally would defend their party leaders to the ends of the Earth are questioning his leadership and motivations - which says a lot about the man. Not to mention he lied his way into power by making promises that he subsequently broke - I know every pollie does that but Abbott has set a new record, literally EVERYTHING he said in the leadup to the election turned out to be a lie.

Anyhoo, in a nutshell, as it stands, the average Aussie is not going to pump up their fear levels just on Abbotts word, and those of his government, alone.



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: Kryties
No you won't. The US puppet Tony Abbot will do as he's told by the US and Israel.


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posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: JimTSpock

Life in TV land eh?

Sounds terrible, poor you.

There is a real world out there, and besides the fact(yawn) that the MSM are #e, there are people out there willing and able to follow the words of this Abu Muhammad al-Adnani bloke. Do you think those guys the Aussie police arrested in those raids last week were just innocent Muslims targeted because of their religion? They were apparently going to grab somebody off the streets of Sydney and saw their heads off on camera.....oh that's so boring...yawn.

It seems to me that most members on this thread couldn't care less what terrorists might do to innocent people so long as it isn't them.

Yeah, and you can go on all day why these fanatics do what they do, I find that tiresome actually, people parroting the same old stuff about the US this and George Bush that, yawn. Well done, you've got it all figured out. And what.....




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