Evidence of demolition company at 9/11

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: ugmold

Eyewitness video. and amateur video are some of the best possible ways to see what happened, since we cannot be there.

Any first year law student would get all YT vids thrown out of court.

I think over 2000 Architects and Engineers could perhaps be considered Experts.

Look very closely at their BIO's.
Their testimony would not be allowed in court since most have no schooling or experience related to the events of 911.
There seems to be a lot of electrical engineers listed there.
Tell me what an electrical engineer knows more than the guy at the quick mart?

Of course because the System is Corrupt.

I noticed you ignored Shanksville? No Youtube video there, I believe AP is the source. No plane is inside the damn hole and anyone with a modicum of sense knows it.

OMG this is so inane. Seriously, if they were going to blow the buildings up with super duper secret thermite...WHY USE THE PLANES AT ALL?! Jeez, this is so frigging obvious! I mean really, if you filled the whole damned things with explosives, WHY NOT JUST USE THAT AND BLAME THE TERRORISTS?! Why the need for the planes at all?! Really, this is such an obvious failure of basic logic on the part of the truthers. There had been a documented attempt to bring the buildings down by way of using explosives previously. If you want to have some super duper secret plan to...well, I don't know, whatever it is you truthers think is the goal here...then why not just, you know, USE EXPLOSIVES AGAIN WITHOUT THE NEED FOR PLANES?! I mean really, this is SO OBVIOUSLY A LOGICAL PROBLEM FOR TRUTHERS, lol...

originally posted by: ugmold

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: ugmold

Eyewitness video. and amateur video are some of the best possible ways to see what happened, since we cannot be there.

Any first year law student would get all YT vids thrown out of court.

I think over 2000 Architects and Engineers could perhaps be considered Experts.

Look very closely at their BIO's.
Their testimony would not be allowed in court since most have no schooling or experience related to the events of 911.
There seems to be a lot of electrical engineers listed there.
Tell me what an electrical engineer knows more than the guy at the quick mart?

Of course because the System is Corrupt.

I noticed you ignored Shanksville? No Youtube video there, I believe AP is the source. No plane is inside the damn hole and anyone with a modicum of sense knows it.

What exactly does "the system is corrupt" have to do with you accepting as "proof" the statements of people on YT with absolutely ZERO qualifications to speak on the thing they are presenting?!

a reply to: Emerys

To coordinated? Yes that's because it was New Yorkers responding to a disaster. Some of the best trained emergency response personell in the country. But yes let's find fault with competency.

originally posted by: jaffo
OMG this is so inane. Seriously, if they were going to blow the buildings up with super duper secret thermite...WHY USE THE PLANES AT ALL?! Jeez, this is so frigging obvious! I mean really, if you filled the whole damned things with explosives, WHY NOT JUST USE THAT AND BLAME THE TERRORISTS?! Why the need for the planes at all?! Really, this is such an obvious failure of basic logic on the part of the truthers. There had been a documented attempt to bring the buildings down by way of using explosives previously. If you want to have some super duper secret plat to...well, I don't know, whatever it is you truthers think is the goal here...then why not just, you know, USE EXPLOSIVES AGAIN WITHOUT THE NEED FOR PLANES?! I mean really, this is SO OBVIOUSLY A LOGICAL PROBLEM FOR TRUTHERS, lol...

I think they tried that first go round in 1993.

a reply to: jaffo
You said "Their testimony would not be allowed in court since most have no schooling or experience related to the events of 911. "

And I said "because the system is corrupt"

Now lumping all you tube videos as one is kind of shameful, no? There are outlandish claims, and legit claims, there is MSM Live Coverage and amateur footage, commentary and raw footage. All the same, NO.

So say, footage of the NYFD stating, (they were first responders, if you have a problem with their credibility than you have a problem) it looked like control demolition, have zero qualifications, while you, who are just and avatar does?

originally posted by: ugmold
a reply to: jaffo
You said "Their testimony would not be allowed in court since most have no schooling or experience related to the events of 911. "

And I said "because the system is corrupt"

Now lumping all you tube videos as one is kind of shameful, no? There are outlandish claims, and legit claims, there is MSM Live Coverage and amateur footage, commentary and raw footage. All the same, NO.

So say, footage of the NYFD stating, (they were first responders, if you have a problem with their credibility than you have a problem) it looked like control demolition, have zero qualifications, while you, who are just and avatar does?

See, here's your problem--well, one of them, anyway--you are misusing people as "experts." HOW, exactly, is a FIREMAN an expert on controlled demolition?!

originally posted by: ugmold
a reply to: jaffo
You said "Their testimony would not be allowed in court since most have no schooling or experience related to the events of 911. "

And I said "because the system is corrupt"

Now lumping all you tube videos as one is kind of shameful, no? There are outlandish claims, and legit claims, there is MSM Live Coverage and amateur footage, commentary and raw footage. All the same, NO.

So say, footage of the NYFD stating, (they were first responders, if you have a problem with their credibility than you have a problem) it looked like control demolition, have zero qualifications, while you, who are just and avatar does?

And really, I'd love for you or one of these fireman or anyone else to explain to me in your completely "expert" opinion HOW EXACTLY one would tell the difference between a pile of rubble from a controlled demolition as opposed to a pile of rubble from a structure that collapsed due to extreme structural failure. Seriously, the ridiculousness of this entire truther baloney version of "facts" and "proofs" and "evidence" would be laughable if it weren't so utterly disrespectful to those who died and so willingly vacant as to the real actors who perpetrated the acts...

And really, I'd love for you or one of these fireman or anyone else to explain to me in your completely "expert" opinion HOW EXACTLY one would tell the difference between a pile of rubble from a controlled demolition as opposed to a pile of rubble from a structure that collapsed due to extreme structural failure. Seriously, the ridiculousness of this entire truther baloney version of "facts" and "proofs" and "evidence" would be laughable if it weren't so utterly disrespectful to those who died and so willingly vacant as to the real actors who perpetrated the acts...

They watched it come down, they didn't stare at a pile of rubble, and put their lives on the line and you are calling these brave Men Cowards and Ignorant?
The Captain there is the one that said the fires could be easily knocked down (excerpt from actual NYFD radio transmissions)

And enough of this "disrespectful to the families BS, there are plenty of families who had members die that day that want the Truth.

a reply to: jaffo

OMG this is so inane. Seriously, if they were going to blow the buildings up with super duper secret thermite...WHY USE THE PLANES AT ALL?

To make it look like a terrorist attack....pretty obvious, don't you think?

ETA. You OSers love to claim it would've been impossible for the government to wire the building for demolition without anyone seeing them, yet here you are saying people would believe that terrorists somehow managed to secretly wire three buildings for demolition without anybody catching on.....

originally posted by: jaffo
OMG this is so inane. Seriously, if they were going to blow the buildings up with super duper secret thermite...WHY USE THE PLANES AT ALL?! Jeez, this is so frigging obvious! I mean really, if you filled the whole damned things with explosives, WHY NOT JUST USE THAT AND BLAME THE TERRORISTS?! Why the need for the planes at all?! Really, this is such an obvious failure of basic logic on the part of the truthers. There had been a documented attempt to bring the buildings down by way of using explosives previously. If you want to have some super duper secret plan to...well, I don't know, whatever it is you truthers think is the goal here...then why not just, you know, USE EXPLOSIVES AGAIN WITHOUT THE NEED FOR PLANES?! I mean really, this is SO OBVIOUSLY A LOGICAL PROBLEM FOR TRUTHERS, lol...

The '93 attempt didn't get a lot of attention. All of the damage was in the parking garage. The '01 attack used planes not only to get maximum attention from people all over the world but also to justify the cross boarder spying and airport security, no-fly lists and it scares people.

How would the OS explain how that much explosives made it into the building unnoticed? If they could have blamed it on terrorists they would have and saved themselves the trouble of convincing people to accept the retarded claim of progressive collapse. 13 years later and they are still teying to convince people because the story is THAT weak.

originally posted by: ugmold

And really, I'd love for you or one of these fireman or anyone else to explain to me in your completely "expert" opinion HOW EXACTLY one would tell the difference between a pile of rubble from a controlled demolition as opposed to a pile of rubble from a structure that collapsed due to extreme structural failure. Seriously, the ridiculousness of this entire truther baloney version of "facts" and "proofs" and "evidence" would be laughable if it weren't so utterly disrespectful to those who died and so willingly vacant as to the real actors who perpetrated the acts...

They watched it come down, they didn't stare at a pile of rubble, and put their lives on the line and you are calling these brave Men Cowards and Ignorant?
The Captain there is the one that said the fires could be easily knocked down (excerpt from actual NYFD radio transmissions)

And enough of this "disrespectful to the families BS, there are plenty of families who had members die that day that want the Truth.

No one called anyone a coward. And watching it fall and thinking it looked like a controlled demolition STILL does not make one an expert or grant one the required knowledge to say that it WAS in fact a controlled demolition, no matter how much you want to believe that to be the case.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: Gh0stwalker

www.youtube.com...

Some people watch too man episodes of CSI and think they know how to analyze.
Other people are just plane delusional. (at best)

The simple fact is the conspiracy side has had 13 years to come up with evidence that will stand up to scrutiny. Nothing has come of their efforts.
Even the mighty ae911 drew a blank with their NYC billboard.

This poster is typical.
He was not there that day.
He has not examined the evidence first hand.
He is not an expert in anything related to 911.
And yet he is certain that someone used a magical weapon that does not exist.

I want to see evidence that doesn't involve Youttube.
Hell I'll settle for any evidence from a real expert.
But I'm not going to hold my breath.

When you keyboard warriors get cancer and are puking up blood are you going to Youtube or a practising specialist?

Ooo, how did you manage to slip by, little guy?

First of all its "plain", not "plane". I won't even bother addressing the crackpot CSI comment.

13 years. 26 years. 100 years. Do you really think it matters how long? Do you really think those who have the power to pull off something like this would leave even a remote possibility that someone could expose their plot? Do you think they're that stupid? They certainly count on the stupidity of people such as yourself to remain ignorant and buy their laughable cover up.

I'm a typical poster am I?
Were you there that day?
Did you examine the evidence first hand?
Are you an expert in anything related to 9/11?
I'm certain someone used a magical weapon that does not exist?... Hmm.

Well first of all, it really isn't all that magical. If you'd like to think of it that way, whatever helps you sleep at night. However, the technology does exist, and has been around for about 100 years. Do a bit of research into Nikola Tesla. People nowadays can build these things in the comfort of their basement. Is it really much of a stretch to assume the shadow government (with the trillions of "misplaced" tax dollars) has the capability of creating such a device on a much larger scale?

Dr.Judy Wood conducted research at ground zero, which is how she drew her conclusions. She used the scientific method of observing the facts without any preconceived biases. If that isn't expert enough, I don't know what is. Unfortunately as far as further investigation goes, what little wasn't turned to dust in the attack is surely destroyed now. Hell, even the 1,000+ people who were present during the attacks have since developed cancer and or died.

I apologize for being a critical freethinker. When something smells of copious amounts of BS, I just can't help myself but question that which is being fed to me.


You may now commence the self burial of your head.

originally posted by: Gh0stwalker

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: Gh0stwalker

www.youtube.com...

Some people watch too man episodes of CSI and think they know how to analyze.
Other people are just plane delusional. (at best)

The simple fact is the conspiracy side has had 13 years to come up with evidence that will stand up to scrutiny. Nothing has come of their efforts.
Even the mighty ae911 drew a blank with their NYC billboard.

This poster is typical.
He was not there that day.
He has not examined the evidence first hand.
He is not an expert in anything related to 911.
And yet he is certain that someone used a magical weapon that does not exist.

I want to see evidence that doesn't involve Youttube.
Hell I'll settle for any evidence from a real expert.
But I'm not going to hold my breath.

When you keyboard warriors get cancer and are puking up blood are you going to Youtube or a practising specialist?

Ooo, how did you manage to slip by, little guy?

First of all its "plain", not "plane". I won't even bother addressing the crackpot CSI comment.

13 years. 26 years. 100 years. Do you really think it matters how long? Do you really think those who have the power to pull off something like this would leave even a remote possibility that someone could expose their plot? Do you think they're that stupid? They certainly count on the stupidity of people such as yourself to remain ignorant and buy their laughable cover up.

I'm a typical poster am I?
Were you there that day?
Did you examine the evidence first hand?
Are you an expert in anything related to 9/11?
I'm certain someone used a magical weapon that does not exist?... Hmm.

Well first of all, it really isn't all that magical. If you'd like to think of it that way, whatever helps you sleep at night. However, the technology does exist, and has been around for about 100 years. Do a bit of research into Nikola Tesla. People nowadays can build these things in the comfort of their basement. Is it really much of a stretch to assume the shadow government (with the trillions of "misplaced" tax dollars) has the capability of creating such a device on a much larger scale?

Dr.Judy Wood conducted research at ground zero, which is how she drew her conclusions. She used the scientific method of observing the facts without any preconceived biases. If that isn't expert enough, I don't know what is. Unfortunately as far as further investigation goes, what little wasn't turned to dust in the attack is surely destroyed now. Hell, even the 1,000+ people who were present during the attacks have since developed cancer and or died.

I apologize for being a critical freethinker. When something smells of copious amounts of BS, I just can't help myself but question that which is being fed to me.


You may now commence the self burial of your head.

In no way, shape, or form did you refute or address the substance or merit of his statement: Namely, that you have ZERO proof which would stand up to professional scrutiny as to your theory of a conspiracy by "them" to bring down the towers. Seriously, when you start raving about Tesla and people making things in their basement, you lose any hope of credibility you may have once hoped to have...

originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: jaffo

OMG this is so inane. Seriously, if they were going to blow the buildings up with super duper secret thermite...WHY USE THE PLANES AT ALL?

To make it look like a terrorist attack....pretty obvious, don't you think?

ETA. You OSers love to claim it would've been impossible for the government to wire the building for demolition without anyone seeing them, yet here you are saying people would believe that terrorists somehow managed to secretly wire three buildings for demolition without anybody catching on.....

STRAWMAN ALERT: No one said the terrorists would have had to wire the building. Nice try. What I said and what others agreed with is that a simply and properly placed bomb in the right area could have taken out the foundation and brought the building down. You know, like they tried in 93...

No one called anyone a coward. And watching it fall and thinking it looked like a controlled demolition STILL does not make one an expert or grant one the required knowledge to say that it WAS in fact a controlled demolition, no matter how much you want to believe that to be the case.

Just throwing a little "Sean Hannity" tactic in there like you did when you brought up the "families" of 911, which had nothing to do with the argument.

So, the building came down because of Jet Fuel, which was burnt off in the fireball upon impact, then the smoldering fires, office furniture doesn't burn well, and which I addressed, the NYFD Chief saying he could knock down the flames in short order. And then somehow the floors pancaked w/o resistance. And then the core columns, wait a minute, so what brought down that 4 inch thick columns down? The core of the building, you understand the buildings were designed to withstand 2 passenger planes, right? If the truss's broke, the core would still be standing.



Anybody who has witnessed a controlled demolition knows what it looks like, just think of a "money is no object" controlled demolition, might look a bit less obvious, but they cannot and could not hide the pre-explosions caught on many videos and in seismic captures. Eye witness accounts say there were explosions in the sub basements. William Rodrigues was a hero that day (last man out of the towers, rescued many) that the Bush admin tried to take under their wing, but he shunned them to tell the truth.

originally posted by: ugmold
The core of the building, you understand the buildings were designed to withstand 2 passenger planes, right?

Where exactly did you get that stupid claim from? Why do truthers keep making up nonsense with no basis in any fact?

originally posted by: ugmold

No one called anyone a coward. And watching it fall and thinking it looked like a controlled demolition STILL does not make one an expert or grant one the required knowledge to say that it WAS in fact a controlled demolition, no matter how much you want to believe that to be the case.

Just throwing a little "Sean Hannity" tactic in there like you did when you brought up the "families" of 911, which had nothing to do with the argument.

So, the building came down because of Jet Fuel, which was burnt off in the fireball upon impact, then the smoldering fires, office furniture doesn't burn well, and which I addressed, the NYFD Chief saying he could knock down the flames in short order. And then somehow the floors pancaked w/o resistance. And then the core columns, wait a minute, so what brought down that 4 inch thick columns down? The core of the building, you understand the buildings were designed to withstand 2 passenger planes, right? If the truss's broke, the core would still be standing.

Anybody who has witnessed a controlled demolition knows what it looks like, just think of a "money is no object" controlled demolition, might look a bit less obvious, but they cannot and could not hide the pre-explosions caught on many videos and in seismic captures. Eye witness accounts say there were explosions in the sub basements. William Rodrigues was a hero that day (last man out of the towers, rescued many) that the Bush admin tried to take under their wing, but he shunned them to tell the truth.

In typical truther fashion, the entirety of your "argument" is nothing more than "Yeah, well it just doesn't look right to me." To which my response is "I couldn't care less how it looks to you." The towers were not a controlled demolition. NO ONE has EVER done a controlled demolition on a building that big. The towers did not look like, or sound like, nor were they a controlled demolition. Asking questions, like you did in your entire last "rebuttal," or posting clips of yet another sweaty guy taking the money of the delusional and expecting me to for some reason believe him when I haven't gotten any proof out of you is typical. SHOW ME PROOF. I can show you film of the panes flying into the towers. I can show you HUNDREDS of respected engineers telling you why and how they fell. All you've got is your gut and a lot of "Nu uh!"

And really, I'd love for you or one of these fireman or anyone else to explain to me in your completely "expert" opinion .

Expert, how about the PHD that Engineered the Elevatotor system in the Twin Towers. Yes he said the Official Story is impossible, he and over 2000 other Architects and Engineers. See the movie, all Architects, Engineers and PHD's.


Sorry, I'm a bit rusty, haven't debated 911 in awhile so I forgot this one.

or posting clips of yet another sweaty guy taking the money of the delusional and expecting me to for some reason believe him when I haven't gotten any proof out of you is typical. SHOW ME PROOF. I can show you film of the panes flying into the towers. I can show you HUNDREDS of respected engineers telling you why and how they fell. All you've got is your gut and a lot of "Nu uh!"

Some sweaty guy? Willy saved over 100 people on 911 and was the last man to exit the towers, man you are disgraceful and lacking, you know nothing.