Largest Climate March in history on 09/21 in NYC to put pressure on world leaders at UN Climate Summ

Yawn...who isn't going to the UN Climate Scam Forum - the Brics - Brazil, Russia, India, China...the countries that took all our jobs.

So they get all the jobs & we get Algore & his wing nut buddy's marching in NYC...

Pamela Gray has said it best "Yet another opportunity to find out exactly what the protesters think they are protesting. It is especially fun to tell them their breath is loaded with CO2. They will say that their CO2 is natural so it don’t count. What really stops them in their tracks is this:

The population is increasing by 256170.349 people per day. The average human breathes out 300 Liters of CO2 per day. My calculator does not have enough digit spaces to record the increase in CO2 per day caused by human breath.

Therefore the growth in human exhaled CO2 is by far a greater increasing source than most anything else. So, if these watermelons really wanted to do something that works, they should all be sterilized instead of marching. In fact everyone who believes in catastrophic anthropogenic global warming should get themselves fixed. It would be ever so beneficial." a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

The sheeple are on the march.

When will they ever learn.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

What developing nations like China, India, or Uganda have said at negotiations for 20 years now is that part of the reason that the most developed countries are ahead of others is that they enjoyed unchecked abject industrialization and environmental exploitation for several hundred years. Hence, not only do they hold more historic responsibility, factually, they also are already developed, whereas most low income countries are barely developed and did not get to enjoy 200 years of abject industrialization. Moreover, also enshrined in the negations is the right of low income developing countries to continue to develop.

Therefore, some kind of give has to be made by the already developed countries that didn't have to deal with regulations during their development process, i.e. the west and a few others. This may be giving cheap or free technological transfer, which has been discussed, or more rigorous standards for the already developed. Because again, to a certain degree the developed countries "already got theirs." Trust me, everything I just said is all discussed amongst scientists, leaders, and so on.

That explains perfectly why the program is a scam to make the wealthy MORE wealthy and bring every country in the world down to third world status!

Are these countries such as China going to have an improved life when they have made their country unlivable due to the poisoning of their environment?

The proof is in the pudding as we speak as to how polluted China has become due their rabid industrial growth. So explain to me again how bringing the US, Germany and Britain to a third world status is going to save the environment!

I don't recall the US, Germany or Britain ever becoming the toxic cesspool that China is at the moment!

Carbon Credits are a SCAM, nothing more than a transfer of what little wealth the poor working class has left into the coffers of bloated filthy rich who stand to gain from this BS program!

a reply to: the2ofusr1

The population is increasing by 256170.349 people per day. The average human breathes out 300 Liters of CO2 per day. My calculator does not have enough digit spaces to record the increase in CO2 per day caused by human breath.

Shows what an idiot Pamela is. She thinks people just manufacture new carbon and add it to the atmosphere?
How much of that 300 liters was already in the air? Respiration does not increase CO2 levels because the carbon comes from the food we eat. And that carbon comes from where? The air. It's a cycle. Plants turn CO2 into food. We eat the food and release the CO2.

Burning fossil fuels, on the other hand, releases CO2 which was sequestered million upon millions of years ago. Burning fossil fuels destroys the balance of the carbon cycle because it adds carbon which was buried underground to the air.

Carbon -Humans - Records - History ...."Geneva, 20 November (WMO) – The amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere reached a new record high in 2011, according to the World Meteorological Organization. Between 1990 and 2011 there was a 30% increase in radiative forcing – the warming effect on our climate – because of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other heat-trapping long-lived gases.

Since the start of the industrial era in 1750, about 375 billion tonnes of carbon have been released into the atmosphere as CO2, primarily from fossil fuel combustion, according to WMO’s 2011 Greenhouse Gas Bulletin, which had a special focus on the carbon cycle. About half of this carbon dioxide remains in the atmosphere, with the rest being absorbed by the oceans and terrestrial biosphere.

“These billions of tonnes of additional carbon dioxide in our atmosphere will remain there for centuries, causing our planet to warm further and impacting on all aspects of life on earth,” said WMO Secretary-General Michel Jarraud. “Future emissions will only compound the situation.”

“Until now, carbon sinks have absorbed nearly half of the carbon dioxide humans emitted in the atmosphere, but this will not necessarily continue in the future. We have already seen that the oceans are becoming more acidic as a result of the carbon dioxide uptake, with potential repercussions for the underwater food chain and coral reefs. There are many additional interactions between greenhouse gases, Earth’s biosphere and oceans, and we need to boost our monitoring capability and scientific knowledge in order to better understand these,” said Mr Jarraud." www.wmo.int...

This article takes a closer look at carbon/temps and has all of the graphs and math wattsupwiththat.com...

It's conclusions are ."

Atmospheric CO2 concentration records were being broken long before anthropogenic emissions became significant.
Atmospheric CO2 levels were rising much faster than anthropogenic emissions from 1750-1875.
Anthropogenic emissions did not “catch up” to atmospheric CO2 until 1960.
The natural carbon flux is much more variable than the so-called scientific consensus thinks it is.
The equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS) cannot be more than 2°C and is probably closer to 1°C.
The worst-case scenario based on the evidence is comparable to the IPCC’s most greentopian, best-case scenario.
Ice cores with accumulation rates less than 1m/yr are not useful for ECS estimations.

The ECS derived from the Law Dome DE08 ice core and Moberg’s NH temperature reconstruction assumes that all of the warming since 1833 was due to CO2. We know for a fact that at least half of the warming was due to solar influences and natural climatic oscillations. So the derived 2°C is more likely to be 1°C. Since it is clear that about half of the rise from 275 to 400 ppmv was natural, the anthropogenic component of that 1°C ECS is probably less than 0.7°C.

The lack of a correlation between temperature and CO2 from the start of the Holocene up until 1833 and the fact that the modern CO2 rise outpaced the anthropogenic emissions for about 200 years leads this amateur climate researcher to concluded that CO2 must have been a lot more variable over the last 10,000 years than the Antarctic ice core indicate."

"The IPCC and so-called scientific consensus assume that it can resolve annual changes in CO2. But it can’t. Each CO2 value represents a roughly 30-yr average and not an annual value.

If you smooth the Mauna Loa instrumental record (red curve) and plant stomata-derived pre-instrumental CO2 (green curve) with a 30-yr filter, they tie into the Law Dome DE08 ice core (light blue curve) quite nicely…"
The plant stomata data clearly show that preindustrial atmospheric CO2 levels were much higher and far more variable than indicated by Antarctic ice cores. Which means that the rise in atmospheric CO2 since the 1800’s is not particularly anomalous and at least half of it is due to oceanic and biosphere responses to the warm-up from the Little Ice Age." wattsupwiththat.com...

Democracy Now interviews with attendees...

livestream

I think it's sad that trolls (appropriate) want to make fun of activists which they do based on perceptions gained second hand but given the chance to hear from their own mouths, they don't take it.

Same with the science, we read all these mocking statements about the science and what bloggers claim scientists say but when given the chance to read actual papers... nope.

You're not interested in reality, circle jerks are more fun, right?

You need more flags. Happening live streaming here
ecowatch.com...

My mom and her bf flew down from Canada to join. She just text and said it's unbelievable how many people are there taking part.

eta: my fruit fly thread has more flags than this

a reply to: Kali74

Or:

"they were just joking?"

a reply to: Bilk22

Why not march in China?

There is no marching in China

Some things obviously wooshing right over your head as well

You know - I get cynicism. Attacking young people because they believe in something - anything? Not so much

Then attacking them because they don't march for your cause - especially when you don't know that they haven't or they won't?

Lame - ignorant - lazy...

a reply to: Phage

I didn't take you for a climate change proponent. Or am I just projecting based on your response?

Oh Oh

The money mungers are there !!!

Panel member: 'A socialist world that will deliver a high standard of living for all.'

Bill McKibben: Climate change 'is the biggest problem that humans have ever been up against'

Naomi Klein: 'We are dealing with an existential terror'

Sen. Bernie Sanders: 'We all know what Fox TV does not know. Climate change is real.'


Socialism was praised and promoted to raucous applause by the hundreds in attendance at the People’s Climate March event on September 20, featuring organizer Bill McKibben, author Naomi Klein, socialist Seattle City Council member Kshama Sawant and socialist Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

The event, held at the Unitarian Church of All Souls, was titled “THE CLIMATE CRISIS: WHICH WAY OUT.” The event was permeated with socialist literature with the Socialist Alternative newspaper prominently on display.

Capitalism in crosshairs as Socialism promoted at opening event of People’s Climate March

Feels Like .....

Carbon Credits !!

a reply to: xuenchen

You'd rather be ruled by corporations than have the autonomy Socialism secures?

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: xuenchen

You'd rather be ruled by corporations than have the autonomy Socialism secures?

Neither.

Sorry to disappoint.

a reply to: xuenchen

You don't want autonomy?

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: xuenchen

You don't want autonomy?

Not in context of Socialists or Progressives.

I don't want anybody making stupid decisions for me.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
Pamela Gray has said it best "Yet another opportunity to find out exactly what the protesters think they are protesting. It is especially fun to tell them their breath is loaded with CO2. They will say that their CO2 is natural so it don’t count. What really stops them in their tracks is this:

The population is increasing by 256170.349 people per day. The average human breathes out 300 Liters of CO2 per day. My calculator does not have enough digit spaces to record the increase in CO2 per day caused by human breath.

Therefore the growth in human exhaled CO2 is by far a greater increasing source than most anything else. So, if these watermelons really wanted to do something that works, they should all be sterilized instead of marching. In fact everyone who believes in catastrophic anthropogenic global warming should get themselves fixed. It would be ever so beneficial." a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I agree and to add.... 20,000 protesters at 300 liters CO2 per day is 6,000,000 liters per day or about 180,000,000 liters per month. They should just off themselves if they are so concerned. Of course their justification for not offing themselves would be that they care so their CO2 is a necessary evil, however, the rest of us don't count.

Me, I plant trees and other plants to act as CO2 scrubbers and maintain the slopes of hills and valleys at the same time. The protestors should do something real, rather than bitch and moan. These protestors should be in homes for the excessively retarded, they don't realize how they are being used, but stupid is as stupid does.

Cheers - Dave

There is a piece up at WUWT about a add in Craigs list for volunteers for the march that pays $50.00 .I wonder as another comment er had said ,"how is it considered volunteering when they pay you . wattsupwiththat.com... a reply to: bobs_uruncle

It was amazing.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

over 100,000 people.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Hello friends,

I hope that this is the right forum, but it makes sense.

Tomorrow here in NYC will be the largest climate march in history to coincide with the UN Climate Summit this month, with projected 10s of thousands of people coming. The goal is to show mass support for rigorous action by national and global leaders to address climate change mitigation and adaptation. We are at the cusp of history now, and future generations will judge what we do now, say, and commit to.

Even if radical global commitments and actions were taken to completely change the nature of human consumption, production, and impact on the environment, climate change is already occurring and the cumulative emissions of mankind over the past several hundred years will continue to impact the climate. However, we CAN change the trajectory or "business as usual" model of production, consumption, and sustainability such that the economic system is "de-coupled" from fossil fuels and society in general reduces its impact on the environment. If we take rigorous action now, and cap the increase in global mean temperatures to 2 degrees centigrade, the negative impacts of climate change on coastal communities, ecological degradation and biodiversity, storm severity, food security, and so on, will be kept to manageable levels.

If we do not, we will reach global mean temperature changes of up to 5-7 degrees centigrade between 2050-2100. This, will not be manageable and will see massive disruptions of entire regions, food systems and agriculture, ecosystems and biodiversity, coastal areas, not to mention increased severity of certain kinds of storms. In short, it will harm everyone as all of these are interconnected with human well-being, economics, livelihoods, and so on. Moreover, the most vulnerable and poor worldwide will be impacted greatest, as many are already living with a thin margin of error.

We can change, but it takes all of us: individuals, local leaders, regional leaders, national leaders, corporations, NGOs, and so on.

Hope to see you there.

peoplesclimate.org...