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Obamacare, 4 years later, an attitudinal approach

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posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 09:13 AM
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my wife and I got insurance last year during the "open season"....my insurance went up 20 bucks a month, and we have better coverage. our friends that took the time and did a little comparison shopping, have insurance and it's basically the same cost as before. anecdotally speaking, here in California, it's been clear sailing.




posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 09:17 AM
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a reply to: jimmyx

Don't you have any deductibles???
Everyone I know has them....and they are pretty steep....unless you are wealthy enough for the "Gold" plans.



posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 09:31 AM
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originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: jimmyx

Don't you have any deductibles???
Everyone I know has them....and they are pretty steep....unless you are wealthy enough for the "Gold" plans.


yes, I do have deductibles, but they are in line with what we were being charged before....here's where my wife and I have an advantage...she retired from the post office after 33 years, and both of us were on her plan. each year in Nov. and Dec. we had to decide on a plan for the next year offered up by blue cross, Aetna, etc...whoever had coverage in our geographical area...so...each year we would get their manuals and we would spend some time comparing them...we got pretty use to it, and on some occasions learned the hard way after getting screwed by some of those companies, before the ACA even came into play. don't get me wrong, we have been fortunate enough in our joint incomes, to be able to afford the costs of the medium plans...but...we have become savvy to the various insurance companies jargon, so for us, it's just tedious, not difficult.



posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: jimmyx
my wife and I got insurance last year during the "open season"....my insurance went up 20 bucks a month, and we have better coverage. our friends that took the time and did a little comparison shopping, have insurance and it's basically the same cost as before. anecdotally speaking, here in California, it's been clear sailing.



Yeah,yeah,yeah,My wife`s deductible went from 2500 to 6350 under the aca plus the payments went from 234 to 677 so tell me all about glorious California.Geez,some people will lie cheat and steal in order to defend this administration.



posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 09:59 AM
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Our insurance HAS to be good.. Really good. We have a child who has had three open-heart surgeries. I have survived cancer. My other son has severe autism and is only covered through Medicaid for his disability - not for regular medical issues.

Our insurance every month was $1100, with around (at least) $2000 per year on top of that, not including the massive bills we paid for the surgeries. We struggled to survive. We had serious financial issues and absolutely NO safety net. Now it is $504 per month. We are very happy with this. That extra $600 every month is beyond a relief!

We are NOT wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, by US standards. We are lower middle class.

I'm very sorry the ACA doesn't work for EVERYONE. I am hoping that, as time goes on, Congress works to make it better.

Again, I've been the person totally denied insurance. Period. For 10 YEARS. And NO cancer coverage, even through a work policy.

Most people who have not had a medically fragile child don't understand the choice we USED to face. Pay HUGE amounts of money or go into complete poverty for Medicaid (no house, no cars, no nothing). We are not on Medicaid now, either. But pay for a plan through the ACA.

Where it is broken, fix it. Where costs can be brought down, bring them down. If a better way emerges (and I mean one that solves these same problems) then so be it. I'm not an apologist for the ACA, so much as someone who very deeply knows the really messed up system of tyranny that was in place before the ACA. One that people did not see unless they had walked in similar shoes...

peace,
AB
edit on 20-9-2014 by AboveBoard because: advertisement in front of my post while writing it - made mistake because of that... Grrrr....

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posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: beezzer
Government could care less about your healthcare needs. If they cared, the why is there MORE uninsured than LESS after the "Affordable" Care Act went into place?


If you're talking about "State" government not caring about your healthcare needs, then you're absolutely correct! At least in the case of the 24 states, with republican controlled legislatures & statehouses, who have refused to expand Medicaid coverage as prescribed under the ACA.

You don't think that could have anything to do with those numbers do you?

The biggest single obstacle currently preventing the uninsured from becoming insured under the ACA is the Republican Party and their overwhelming control in the gerrymandered states and it is they who could care less about your healthcare.

Anything else is just a lie.



posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 10:04 AM
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originally posted by: Sunwolf

originally posted by: jimmyx
my wife and I got insurance last year during the "open season"....my insurance went up 20 bucks a month, and we have better coverage. our friends that took the time and did a little comparison shopping, have insurance and it's basically the same cost as before. anecdotally speaking, here in California, it's been clear sailing.



Yeah,yeah,yeah,My wife`s deductible went from 2500 to 6350 under the aca plus the payments went from 234 to 677 so tell me all about glorious California.Geez,some people will lie cheat and steal in order to defend this administration.


you believe what you want to...that's your problem, not mine....



posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 10:05 AM
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It would have been cheaper to the taxpayers if the Fedgov just bought all the uninsured the silver plan and left the rest of us alone,now all of us a screwed with substandard health insurance at high cost.



posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: jimmyx


they thought that republicans would want the poor to have some basic healthcare...

So, the evil Republicans, the ones that the Democrats have been trying to convince us want to force grandma and grandpa to eat dog food.... were expected to support Obama's plan??
That doesn't make much sense.



posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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The "attitudinal approach" ...

The very few that benefit love it (until many face the realities of bankruptcy and/or perpetual poverty).

The few that benefit from the administrative money love it.

The vast majority that pay have their suspicions.



posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

So go for what YOU LIKE to do and push HARD .



posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

NOT TO WORRY. The death panel will have you DEAD long before I'm sure:
www.theatlantic.com...



posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 06:30 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy




Why are there any people uninsured?


Why indeed.

Obamacare was a great LIE.

It was written by lies,passed by lies, and defended by LIES.

There was ABSOLUTELY no reason for it to even exist.

Primarily because of this:



Medicaid in the United States is a social health care program for families and individuals with low income and resources. The Health Insurance Association of America describes Medicaid as a "government insurance program for persons of all ages whose income and resources are insufficient to pay for health care."


en.wikipedia.org...



WASHINGTON — Enrollment in Medicaid has increased by three million people, to a total of 62 million, largely because of the Affordable Care Act, the Obama administration said Friday.


www.nytimes.com...

They say over 45 million people didn't have insurance.

They did have access to it.

Medicaid.

That was a program specifically created for the 'poor'.

While the 'Affordable' Shaft Act did nothing to lower healthcare costs. Medicaid enrollee's did go up.

To over 62 million people.

And this was by design.

The goal of the ACA was to make it healthcare more expensive. Which was a success.

So they only alternative would be medicaid.

They ACA screwed us, but it was a win for the progressives. To finish cornering the healthcare market.

Even as the US federal government is the largest healthcare provider currently.



posted on Sep, 21 2014 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: beezzer



Well folks? We have more uninsured than before we started.

The "Affordable" Care Act is a lie.




WOW Beez...Read your OP...That is the RATE OF UNINSURED dropping...NOT INSURED...your OP shows the EXACT OPPOSITE OF YOUR CLAIM...THE RATE OF UN-INSURED (Those without insurance) Has DROPPED TO IT"S LOWEST since the financial crisis!


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PERCENTAGE of UNISURED DROPPING TO IT"S LOWEST.....NOT "INSURED"

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Shall I expect you to alter your conclusion in keeping with YOUR data showing the PRECISE OPPOSITE???
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posted on Sep, 21 2014 @ 04:24 PM
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This OP is a study in seeing what you WANT to see despite the Chart showing the EXACT OPPOSITE...

Just wow...

Edit to add:
Un-Insured still shrinking percentage...update to OP chart
www.gallup.com...
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posted on Sep, 21 2014 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Sunwolf

originally posted by: jimmyx
my wife and I got insurance last year during the "open season"....my insurance went up 20 bucks a month, and we have better coverage. our friends that took the time and did a little comparison shopping, have insurance and it's basically the same cost as before. anecdotally speaking, here in California, it's been clear sailing.



Yeah,yeah,yeah,My wife`s deductible went from 2500 to 6350 under the aca plus the payments went from 234 to 677 so tell me all about glorious California.Geez,some people will lie cheat and steal in order to defend this administration.


you believe what you want to...that's your problem, not mine....


You prevaricate what you want to...your problem,not mine.



posted on Sep, 23 2014 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: Sunwolf

originally posted by: jimmyx
my wife and I got insurance last year during the "open season"....my insurance went up 20 bucks a month, and we have better coverage. our friends that took the time and did a little comparison shopping, have insurance and it's basically the same cost as before. anecdotally speaking, here in California, it's been clear sailing.



Yeah,yeah,yeah,My wife`s deductible went from 2500 to 6350 under the aca plus the payments went from 234 to 677 so tell me all about glorious California.Geez,some people will lie cheat and steal in order to defend this administration.


WOW...Your wife's deductible went from 2500 to 6350 under Obamacare???!!

FUNNY....Cuz here you said it went up to 8000??? And you said her payments used to be 189, not 234????

But hell...when making up BS numbers rattling off 2-3-4 on the keyboard is the least expenditure of energy...


originally posted by: Sunwolf

Annee,it ain`t working no matter how rosy a picture you put on it.


Wifes insurance before ACA 189.00 a month with $2500.00 deductible.


Now with ACA 677.00 A MONTH with $8000.00 deductible.


Sunwolf

HMMM....Someone sure is "Prevaricating".....
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posted on Sep, 23 2014 @ 11:36 AM
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originally posted by: Sunwolf

Geez,some people will lie cheat and steal in order to defend this administration.


Half right



posted on Sep, 23 2014 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

Like everything that the corporate American push into the tax payers while fattening the pockets of the corrupted politicians was never mean to be either affordable or to help the poor.

It was a massive grab of the pockets of dying middle class.

How is ObamaIdon'tcare working for you now.

In my husband and I case we are fighting no to lose our government subsidized insurance by 2016, so far our fees has triple since last year



posted on Sep, 23 2014 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: AboveBoard

Well that's great! We spent hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars to insure another 1% of America.




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