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China Unveils World's Largest Supercollider

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posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 06:09 AM
Great news. I remember the hassle when the States were trying to build a massive supercollider, got caught up in the "where should it go" money-game, and it never was built. Hopefully China will follow through and complete this project, with the help of the entire world if need be. Science should be funded to the fullest extent (where are the two dozen Mars Rovers instead of just two?).

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 06:15 AM

originally posted by: Max_TO
One of the benefits of living in a country where politicians don't need to worry about reelection .

If the desires of the American people was to invest in R&D and to boldly go, then that's what they would be doing . Seems most people would rather follow pop culture , take selfies and vote themselves a pay check .

You DO have a point there. People in the US complain about Mars missions because "it's so expensive"...but effing line up at 9pm for a iPhone 6. Aside from that there is a current anti-science trend in the US, a good portion of the populace would like to live in the middle-ages where their world consists of Jesus, demons and Satan. I am sorry, this is FACT. Except that in such a society where science is shunned, progress is increasingly more difficult, scientists wander off to other countries etc.

And countries like China are now not only catching up...they're actually surpassing us in many fields.
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posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 06:58 AM

originally posted by: JustMike
a reply to: Psynic
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

You're technically correct and it's a fair point. They have only unveiled plans for the largest collider, not the device itself. However, that misleading title is not the fault of our OP, who has just followed normal ATS protocol and quoted their title. It's the title of the article (linked as the source) on Al Jazeera, so they are the ones being misleading.

Al J. are not alone among news media in using misleading titles, but we have to wonder why they did so in this case.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

I am not "technically correct", I am correct.

China has NOT announced plans to build supercollider, just the political determination to do so.

The article states:

"A preliminary conceptual design for this leading-edge particle physics laboratory is now being drafted by China's elite sphere of physicists".

If they don't yet have so much as a "preliminary conceptual design" at this point, saying they have "unveiled the world's largest supercollider" is pure political propaganda and as such, this thread does not belong in a science and technology forum.

Since when does Al Jazeera tell us what is science and what is subterfuge?

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 08:25 AM
CERN is also undertaking a study with the goal of making a new collider the aim is for it to be 80km-100km

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 09:13 AM

originally posted by: Snarl
a reply to: L.A.B

I give this until tomorrow lunch time before doom porn appears...

LOL ... Your comment almost makes me want to go and look up all the potentials from the failed attempt in Texas. There were some pretty 'out there' uses expressed for one that big. Honestly, I just don't see it.

Overall ... I must say I'm pretty impressed with what the Chinese are capable of doing. Their 'ghost cities' boggle the mind.

They will use the facility as an inter-dimensional portal that will bring thousands of beings in from a parallel universe. These people will inhabit the ghost cities.

Either that or they will create a black hole and destroy the Earth.

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posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 09:35 AM
My money says it breaks three days after it starts up and no replacement parts will be available due to the disposable world we now inhabit

It will eventually be used by poor Chinese as a apartment home

Eta yes to answer the poster below me. It will help to house the chinese....just not like u may have thought see this post for info lol
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posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 09:43 AM
Could this potentially help them house and feed their over burdened population? Or will it help with the massive amounts of smog that is killing them in the bigger cities?

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 12:04 PM
There's something very stupid about these colliders. They are so big and all they do is smash something so little as a particle.

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 12:16 PM
So what is China going to do with this? Try and trick their people into believing they are important and their lives don't suck?

Does someone have to show China what to do with it now? It doesn't come with any suggested recipes or a manual .
I know China likes to copy-cat because they can't think of anything on their own but this seems a little beyond China's knock-off capabilities.

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 07:52 PM
Man, I dunno..... So much money being sunk into these things. Anyone else suspicious of the actual ROI being merely pure research?

posted on Sep, 21 2014 @ 03:51 PM
If they were capable of it would it mean they still bow to Mao's picture because he wasn't an evil psycho?
No, it means they were fed by dollars and licenced technology for too long like arabs with their artificial islands.
Not impressed.

posted on Sep, 21 2014 @ 03:58 PM
a reply to: stormcell

I am pretty sure Cern and others build them underground to shield from the particles incoming from space so as not to interfere with the results.

The sun kicks out these particles on a vast scale and they need a controlled enviroment.

I know they do the same thing with the dark matter detectors.

Fair play to China, (Apart from all the human rights abuses - along with pretty much every other country) I hope we will hear something new from them eventually.

I bet they know the only way to compete or even survive is to not let the west have the monopoly on the new technologies that will inevitably be developed from the knowledge gained from these type of experiments.

Scary times, it is just a futuristic arms race

posted on Sep, 21 2014 @ 08:15 PM
a reply to: Soapusmaximus

They go underground mainly for radiation shielding, partly to reduce muon flux through the detectors, but also because of the high radiation environment you generate when you do this stuff

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 04:43 AM
Did you know they use it for making Plutonium!
wepons grade and god only knows what else.


"Uranium for a long time was seen as the end of the periodic table, Ultima Thule," explains Prof Andrea Sella of University College London, employing a term medieval geographers applied to a place beyond the borders of the known world. "It was as far as you could go."

That began to change in 1932, with the invention by the American scientist Ernest Lawrence of the cyclotron - a device for accelerating particles around a circular chamber using electromagnets.
The cyclotron built by Ernest Lawrence and collaborators at the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California The 60-inch cyclotron built by Ernest Lawrence at the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory in California

By smashing atoms and particles together, it achieved nothing less than alchemy, transforming one element into another. What makes an element chemically unique is the number of protons in its nucleus. Force another proton in, and suddenly you have a whole new chemical. This is how synthetic plutonium came to be created in December 1940.

A team led by radiochemist Glenn Seaborg used the cyclotron to bombard a sample of uranium with deuterium, creating an element that had first been identified earlier in the year by Seaborg's colleague Edwin McMillan - neptunium, as we now call it.

It decayed in two days, yielding another new element - plutonium.

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 08:55 AM
Technically true but the fear mongering is unfounded.

God only knows what else? please enlighten me...

China is already nuclear and could if it wanted to, produce as much plutonium as it wanted, more efficiently, without the use of a particle accelerator.

What you have done is to connect two words together and blow it out of proportion.
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posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 09:30 AM

originally posted by: lostbook
The China are racing to build a Collider so massive that it could encircle the entire island of Manhattan; that's 80kilometers!

And yet they can't solve their witch's-soup polluted air as it poisons the planet?? The pollution in their water? The pollution in their food?

Why does an abstract scientism take precedence over the very real humanism?

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posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 10:33 AM
a reply to: L.A.B

thanks for the post!
i just had a good laugh.


posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 10:40 AM

originally posted by: swanne
Why does an abstract scientism take precedence over the very real humanism?

Because this abstract scientism is cheaper and easier than solving those extremely important problems.

And besides, making the maximum amount of money possible means not giving a crap about other people or pollution. It wasn't that long ago that the west was exactly the same. Still plenty of smog around western cities.

posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 11:26 AM
Amazing CHINA
just as long as they keep it safe.
Comes to mind do multiple collider EM fields cause any changes to planet or STAR system within if running simultaneously?

posted on Sep, 25 2014 @ 07:48 AM
I'll try to keep a positive eye. At least it's not some military black project China is putting money in but rather international science. Not that the world needs another colliders but still. Saudi artificial island can also be viewed as a piece of art and job giving venture.
I'd like to believe Chinese people have good memory of their dark past and better memory of their farther lighter past.
I can still hear their solemn promise at the 2008 summer olympics that China will live for the good of all mankind or so.

Can you have much better particle smash just by adding a few miles of magnets?

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