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What you need to know about Terrorist Rat Poison Bombs.

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posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 08:09 AM

originally posted by: CheeryYellow
Who the hell would want to go around being afraid of everything all the time, like shopping bags in parking lots.

You have a lot better chance of dying in a car accident than dying to a terrorist.

Just trying to put things into perspective here.

you're right...everyone needs to calm the "F" down....I'm not scared of ISIS, nor anyone here in the states should be...even if one or two of them possibly blow something up here, the odds of you personally dying are a lot less than driving down our highways on a normal day....doom porn sells, that's why it's advertised all the time.

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 08:28 AM
Likely the only bombs we will see detonate in the USA will be done by agents of our own government. So far that is all there has been with immediate laws passed afterwards.
Maybe they will slip and cause an accident for themselves next time.

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 09:20 AM
a reply to: CheeryYellow

I absolutely agree. I'm more worried about hitting a deer or moose with my car than I am ISIS, Ebola, or anything out of the ordinary. Doesn't mean I shouldn't be, at the very least, marginally prepared for those events though.

a reply to: Thefarmer

I agree it would just be easier to walk around coughing and sneezing on people. Maybe not even directly, but riding on a bus, subway, or other public transit and being ill in general. The only thing is, many public transit workers know to be on the look out for these sorts of things, so it might be noticed.

I did some research and found that Ebola is "moderately thermolabile." This means that the Ebola virus is moderately susceptible to destruction by heat. So it's possible that some of it may be destroyed, but at the same time the bomb could possibly be engineered for more blast energy than heat energy.

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 10:53 AM

originally posted by: jryan06
But rat poison is "insignificant relative to other blast effects," said Dr. Michael Stein, trauma director at the Rabin Medical Center near Tel Aviv

You sir are referring to the news article Rat Poison revisited. Published on July 11 2002, right when we first started seeing this new twist.

While at the time they were afraid to admit this was happening that same story did quote another doctor as saying.

One suicide bomber sprinkled rat poison among his nuts and bolts, which acts as an often-fatal anticoagulant. "This 14-year-old girl was bleeding uncontrollably from every one of her puncture wounds," Rivkind says. The doctor managed to stop the bleeding by using a coagulant, still unapproved by the American Food and Drug Administration, which he has since used to treat several other bomb-blast victims.

That "No Effect statement was made in 2002... and now in 2014 were trained to look for this as part of a bomb makers list of ingredients. Does it really work as advertised? The people who know say it does...

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 11:13 AM
a reply to: Thefarmer

In that same news article Rat Bombs Revisited.
they talk about a bomber who had Hep B.
when his own body exploded, his bone fragment had become part of the shrapnel.
and at least one person did come down with Hep B as a result. This was completely unintentional but the president for it working is there.

Wouldn't it be easier for the terrorist to just go to and heavily populated area and walk around coughing and sneezing on people?

A better option would be to sleep with every hooker he could get his hands on. that way your sure to exchange infected body fluids and ensure said hookers would unknowingly spread that to all her other customers and they in turn pass it along to their mates lovers and family menbers. Kind of like the ultimate killer STD if you would and a condom isn't going to protect you.

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posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 11:21 AM

originally posted by: Biigs
Thats a pretty nasty way to make a shrapnel based bomb lethal indeed.

Increasing its lethal range far beyond the blast zone and with the additional of double bombs killing medical workers and security personnel, words cant describe how evil and the extreme lengths some people will go to, to hurt injure and kill people for a cause.

Even hitler didnt use means like this and thats saying somthing.

Wow really? It's saying something all right.. lol. I mean gas chambers, indiscriminate use of v2 rockets, carpet bombing.... Yeah that Hitler character was a real amateur. Smh.

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 11:46 AM
a reply to: Bundy

Not to derail my own thread but over the passed decade there has been a trend to make Hitler out a victim of mental illness citing and image of Adolf Hitler as a half-crazed, drug-addicted psychopath suffering the effects of violent early childhood traumas and perhaps even sexual disorders... yadda yadda yadda...

However you look at it He, just like these terrorist, viewed anyone who didn't look, think and act as they do... as nothing more than chattel, things to be removed from their perfect versions of Utopia. They too use hate as part of that same propaganda machine to control not just their own people but to intimidate us threw fear.

What they fear most is education, informed people are harder to control, to make do what they want. So our biggest weapon against them is the simple gift of knowledge.

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posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 12:15 PM
a reply to: HardCorps

So our biggest weapon against them is the simple gift of knowledge.

Might I say that you have most certainly shown how much you believe this statement.

Could it be just some outside possibility that a person reading this post will ever find the information which you provided useful in their own situation.

Over the time I have been reading posts placed on this site, I have read several such "warning posts" which give out information which could be used by the wrong people.

Discretion! people, Discretion!

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 12:30 PM
a reply to: teamcommander

To fair I to worried about imparting TMI.
And I discussed it with another security expert.
It was he who pointed out the information as already there in the internet and the bad guys have already posted how-too videos. Nothing I say here and now, will stop the spread of such.

but every new person who becomes aware and awake... makes all the harder for these bad guys to remain invisible.

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posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 02:48 PM
a reply to: cmdrkeenkid

Never even knew you could engineer bombs in that way mate

It's defiantly a scary one then

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 02:50 PM
a reply to: HardCorps

Wow hep B from a bone fragment unlucky git

And that way the bastard a be having some fun aswell we need to lock off our boarders and get this # under control ASAP

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 02:52 PM
I wonder if b*mbs will even be necessary nowadays considering. Today, I absolutely had to get out and around and pick up essential items at 2 stores and it was amazing the amount of people that were hacking/coughing/sneezing all over the place. Some were kids but the majority of them were adults that should have known better. It would be prudent to stay home if you are that sick yet there they were. One woman sneezed and just let hand covering her face let alone sneezing into her elbow as they suggest. Geez. The hackers and wheezers really looked out of it too and maybe even feverish. I got the he!! out of dodge as soon as I could but went home and not only washed hands but took a shower and put clothes in the wash and got that going. Sounds extreme, I know, but today was just amazing the amount of folks out and seemingly sick. I'm in NW Louisiana. Wouldn't take much for evil doers to just spread biological/germs around I suppose.

The t*rrorist thingy is a concern but even more so is the likely hood of being killed by quacks and big pharma.

The rat poison thing...if one is already on blood thinner for heart probs, I guess they would be dead meat for sure...pardon the horrible pun.

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 05:07 PM
Don't need terrorists when you have US cops killing US people by the bus load

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 06:44 PM
So lets try this scenario on for size.

I casually walk into my local police department with a printout explaining the dangers of rat poison bombs.

Shake hands with the police chief and walk out?

Wouldn't bringing in bomb information to a police department be a little suspicious and lead to some further questioning and maybe a further inquiry on who I am?

Should I wear my backpack when I drop off said information?

I appreciate the knowledge, but it seems suspicious to do.

On a side note, I may make some custom shotgun rounds now, maybe add some rat poison to the tips of my hollow points.

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 10:31 PM
Fair enough sharing the technicalities. It's going to be a hunting party with FBI looking for pyro teen lone wolf mental health history disturbed quiet anarchist types with this in their search history now, count on it. I read it, oh noes, the library agents might ask questions, ooh! Not a eternal pacifist but I know civil obedience and intend to keep it. (end disclaimer)

For all the details the last thing I want to do is subconsciously allow my person within eyesight or encounter distance of something kaboomey. Psychodynamically everything that is has a potential event in time-space, so if something is lethal, it's going to have the spiritual signature of danger with the surrounding area being not-clear with a void of danger area in time-space. It's that funny feeling, that smell, the nerve warble, that "too quiet" feeling that appears before something that provokes me to keep a distance. I don't rely on my feelings but I'm not going to ignore them.

So that chart that subconsciously suggests it's okay to be around 100 feet of a car bomb, I want to erase that safety rule. It's more like 250 feet and a few days separation that I want. Sometimes simple problems domino into more complex ones. Where there is one there may be more.

I wouldn't be avoiding just the device, but also the scattered people, the law enforcement force-panics and panic blaming games that could be lethal if it was a frame-up, the sorrow of the experience. In other words, I never want to get curious, because then subconsciously, I might walk into a curious event. This includes curious people that carry the explodey feeling on them. Nope, not gonna. Been there, got the heck far away even if they weren't armed or dangerous, they emanate explosion with their soul/aura. Once it gets blown off it doesn't exactly grow back, and anybody even toying with the power, nope, they are incurably dangerous. Had a relative that was a pyro and experimented with disaster, incurable, never going to change them, and they have friends, also incurable, and it doesn't get less once they are adults, it was a conscious decision tree, just to the end of things with destruction and jail or death with the news ambulance chasing off the disaster.

Personally, I went through the pain of possibly framed in a potential explosion than of random emergencies. Because family and bad neighborhoods and crazy political sneaky-soldiers trying to cover things up. You know the statistics in terror plots how the rumors say the gov't sets up most of them that get caught. The suspects get groomed and staged, honey. And the ones that don't get caught in time...?

This is a conspiracy website still yes? I hate that danger zone, the terrorists and soldiers just don't leave distance to care about civil liberties and keeping buildings intact. Incurable. I figured it was an assassination attempt so their destruction would not have occurred if the staging wasn't there, so crisis averted, no waiting for even the bad guys to leave, I saw the backpack, the terrorists that had been reported in the news as having died, but there they were, with the other soldiers in plain garb who looked more war and less civil, including one hiding his face from the camera. It was their team effort too, not just one guy. That made a permanent impression on my opinions of anti-terror comforts. Well it didn't occur so there's no actual told-you-so's, but it has to be talked about. It's important to really know the soul of your governors, senators, and generals, and security bosses, in their executive decision process, and the true legalities of non-disclosure contracts on their desks. Betrayal smells bad forever. Incurable.

Don't care if it's gold-coated or covered in rat poison, no bomb is ever even marginally acceptable. When they happen, you're not gonna sprint out like some super agent from a movie, so stop even trying to think escapisms in logics of perimeters, because there aren't exactly any in a few seconds of shock, and just prevent with awareness. And yeah, if you don't like a backpack or a bag or something suspicious, take it seriously and tell the house/place/authority of it; better safe than sorry, no matter who shames you, better embarrassed than screaming with missing parts. Never take normalization attempts to be polite when there are actual concerns, you save your butt first if the others want to be ignorant. Even if it's someone you know.

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 10:40 PM
a reply to: jryan06

That's right. Like squished brain/impact trauma that fractures your organs and they never mend, even if you never get shrapnel or burns. That's why that 100 foot perimeter is a fantasy boundaries, you need more for the rest of impact.

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 11:53 PM

If you walked into a home on a routine call and noticed that all the metal in the house; utensils, doorknobs, and hardware were all rusty would you know that this is a strong indicator of a chemical reaction from preparing a bomb?

This is from fuming red nitric acid.

Fuming red nitric acid is almost imposable to get anymore.

It used to make nitroglycerin, TNT, nitrocellulose, PETN ECT ECT.

All these mixes are very dangerous to make and are known to blow bomb makers up.

There are a number of safe to make bombs with chemicals like bleach, salt substitute, acetone, hydrogen peroxide ECT,ECT
that can be bought over the counter at neighborhood stores without any paper trail.
And they do not leave everything rusty.

I am a retired blaster and could make a bomb from everyday store bought products like these in less then 48 hours.

The problem is these chemical mixes and how to mix them are posted on radical Islamic web sites for the terrorist to make bomb with.

posted on Sep, 20 2014 @ 11:58 PM
terrorists are killing rats now??? it gets worse.

posted on Sep, 21 2014 @ 09:39 AM
a reply to: Thefarmer

No idea if that's possible with the level of sophistication the terrorists use to make their devices. I know that shaped charges are a thing, so who knows? I was just speaking off cuff.

posted on Sep, 21 2014 @ 03:01 PM
a reply to: HardCorps

There are so many other poisons that can be made in a basement, garage or backyard which are considerably more effective with no cure. Rat poison poisoning can be reversed if caught fast enough with a coagulant.

Chemistry is your friend ;-)

Cheers - Dave

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