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NSA says it has lost its non-redacted UFO files
UFO and government secrecy researcher John Greenewald has been petitioning to get the National Security Agency (NSA) UFO files that were released in the 90s further declassified. When they were released, after a legal battle, much of the information was redacted. There are large swaths of information that have been blacked out or covered with white out. However, the NSA recently told Greenewald they could not find even one original of the hundreds of pages UFO files.
Greenewald received this information in response to a request for a Mandatory Declassification Review (MDR) of the NSA’s UFO files. MDRs require that the agency re-review previously released redacted files to unredact information that is now declassified. This is a similar process that was used to reveal the name of Area 51 in CIA documents last year.
The MDR was fulfilled for an affidavit related to the lawsuit asking the NSA to release its UFO files in 1980, called the Yeates affidavit. As for the rest, the NSA writes, “With the exception of the enclosed document, we cannot locate unredacted copies or the original documents that were previously reviewed and released to the public.”
In the late 70s, the Citizens Against UFO Secrecy (CAUS), headed by lawyer Peter Gersten, sought to get UFO files from several government agencies released using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The NSA refused to release their files, so CAUS sued.
The NSA had a large amount of UFO files, not necessarily because they were investigating UFOs, but because they monitor communications worldwide as part of their regular duties. These files are called communications intelligence (COMINT). Among this large amount of data, there were hundreds of files referring to UFOs. However, the NSA felt they should remain classified.
In 1980, Eugene F. Yeates, chief of the Office of Policy for the NSA, submitted a 21 page document to the judge overseeing the case, Federal Judge Gerhart A. Gesell, as to why these files should remain classified. This is the Yeates affidavit. However, this document was also classified.
Although Gesell did not have the clearance to read the documents in question, the Yeates affidavit convinced him that the NSA files should stay classified. He wrote, “The public interest in disclosure is far outweighed by the sensitive nature of the materials and the obvious effect on national security their release may well entail.”
When the Yeates affidavit was released, it was heavily redacted. UFO researcher Stanton Friedman shows a page from the document to demonstrate government UFO secrecy, and as he says, this goes over well on television where a simple image can be very effective when making a point.
Eventually, in 1997, due to laws making it more difficult to keep files over 25 years old classified, the NSA released a less redacted Yeates affidavit, and 156 UFO documents. As Friedman puts it, the affidavit was originally about 75% blacked out, the second version was only about 20% blacked out. However, the UFO documents are heavily redacted.
The NSA must have seen Friedman’s talks or television interviews, because instead of mostly blacking out the text, this time they largely whited it out, making it much less visually poignant..
Greenewald writes, “In essence, the ‘originals’ were destroyed or lost when they blacked out the records many years ago — and now in 2014 — they are missing and can not be further reviewed for declassification and release. The history, whatever it may be, is lost forever.”
The NSA claims that it cannot locate the non-redacted versions of its UFO files.
For nearly 9 years, John Greenewald, Jr. has been exploring the archives of the U.S. Government for undeniable proof of the UFO Phenomenon. In those nine years, he has created the largest online archive anywhere in the world.
On June 24,1980 Gersten brought suit in the same District Court against the National Security Agency but this time on behalf of his own recently formed organization, Citizens Against UFO Secrecy (CAUS). His objective was 135 UFO related documents the NCI had refused to release. On November 18, 1980, based upon a NSA top secret affidavit which Gersten was not allowed to see, US District Court Judge Gerhard A. Gesell dismissed the lawsuit stating that 'the continued need for secrecy far out weighed the public's right to know.'
originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
The game is rigged.
Poland's UFO files go missing.
The Polish air forces gather and analyze PRL reports on the pilots' meetings with unidentified flying objects. In the folder named "The Unknown" gathered dozens of reports. In the 1990's Invaluable data disappeared.
This is an Interview with Col. Ryszard Grundmanem. Col. Grundmanem was the former head of "Air Traffic, Air Force and Air Defense", who gathered reports regarding UFOs...
We all know Peru is one of the hottest areas regarding UFO sights, so we can imagine all the work these group of people had and all the interesting material they had to analize.Witnesses were required to fill a 17 pages document. All the cases were digitally saved.
Strangely, in 2004 someone “stole” the computers from their office and part of the classified records were lost. “It is well known that there are classified documents that are hidden and Anthony Choy confirms it, however he regretted the theft of important material in 2004. "All had been stolen, then I understood that it was all a fraud, or that formed an office as a sort of screen to the public but at another level we were investigating, we were there".
One Example of How UFO Disclosure is Also Controlled
"Governments took notice, organizing task forces, encouraging secret briefings and study groups, funding classified research and all the time denying before the public that any of the phenomena might be real. The major revelation of these Diaries may be the demonstration of how the scientific community was misled by the government, how the best data were kept hidden, and how the public record was shamelessly manipulated."
Dr. Jacques Vallee, astrophysicist, computer scientist 1992
originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak
FANTASTIC THREAD !!
I mean, really good and right up my alley
as far as my own research.
Isn't the whole "oh those records?" "Yeah we um lost them"
game entirely so overused and obvious at this point ?
Even when looking for basic information
in very specific areas regarding say the 509th composite at RAAF
for 1947 info is Tough to come by.
Yes it's nuclear secrets but all the papers ?
Why do I now know more about the Manhattan Project
than I do as to what was served in the mess hall at Roswell Army Air Field ?
Or what about people that everyone should be curious of like
known spook in 1947 Kenneth Arnold or Fred Lee Crisman ?
Oh you mean the Sporting goods sales man?
No..I mean the spook Kenneth Arnold.
Fred, spook as well, saw a disc in 1947
and collected debris in the Pacific Northwest,
which was the Maury Island incident.
Surely Coincidentally.. a couple decades later,
the very same Fred was called in by Jim Garrison in the JFK assassination trial
as the grassy knoll shooter.
COME ON !!!
That's a slap in the face of truth that those two aren't known for
who they really were 60 years later.
People in this field should be able to see through things like these.
For me, obvious silence or protesting too much are hot spots of guilt.
originally posted by: karl 12
The article also reminded me a bit of Poland's official files going 'missing' a few years ago but unfortunately it seems that story has now been removed from the internet (although there are snippets at the thread).
NSA says it has 'lost' its non-redacted UFO files.
originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: karl 12
I honestly don't understand why they'd even announce this news. There's a reason why, but what is it?! What factor dictated this move?
Secret documents can be sealed for decades until the information in them is no longer contentious, explosive or liable to generate civil litigation. Why wouldn't they just shut their mouths and announce in 20/30/40 years that the files were lost or destroyed? That'd be the intelligent path imo.
Instead, we're left with the fascinating possibility that the files have been destroyed due to a current event or change in policy. A possibility that coincides with the MoD's similar claim that they also 'lost' a lot of files from the early days of UFO reports. I think they released that news through Dr David Clarke circa 2006 and were seen as rather banal and unimportant...not worth the expense of storage.