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originally posted by: mikegrouchy
originally posted by: beansidhe
Do you honestly, honestly believe that the Tories are going to keep their promises, that things are going to be better now for Scotland, Wales, Northern England and Northern Ireland? Just walk me through that one please, because I'm not seeing it.
The Tories may be falling over each other to get a piece of that voter turn out. Take a chance and tell them what you want. I have a feeling The Parliament is listening right now, like never before.
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: beansidhe
I have made no claims about the Tories making anything better, I have never voted Tory or been a supporter of them.
I'm inviting discussion about how we as 4 peoples of the UK might change the current Union for the better of all of us if we want it.
You clearly do not want to suggest anything positive so if you want to whinge about the result I suggest you start your own thread instead of polluting this one with your bitter negativity.
originally posted by: Shiloh7
One thing I can see people demanding is a democratic voting system and we know the scots did it, so we should all demand the same rights when we vote and not the sterile protective system we have today.
originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: beansidhe
I understand how you might be feeling a bt despondent this morning.
But now is the time for rUK to step up to the plate and demand the change that the politicians have promised.
Scotland has shown us that it is possible to make Westminster listen - we now need to be more united than ever and demand action from them rather than the spin and empty promises they have previously gotten away with.
Anger can be power!
The whole debate invigorated Scotland, and large parts of rUK have also been enthused by it.
We now need to take that energy, drive and passion and continue forcing Westminster's hand.
My biggest fear is that unless those qualities are harnessed immediately and an organised and co-ordinated campaign is not started at once then that momentum will be lost and something will conveniently come along that will sidetrack the publics attention and we'll return to the same old same old status quo - and for me that would be a tragedy of epic proportions.
'We will also meet the desire for change across England across Wales, across the whole of the United Kingdom. Devolution is not just a good idea for Scotland and Wales it is a good idea for England and indeed for Northern Ireland.'
In a sign of Labour concern, backbencher Andy McDonald said: 'It's not about the Tories tightening their stranglehold on England, it's about releasing power to all of our regions.'
You continue to mention the Tories when I have not. I was responding to your negative position regarding my hopes for a better improved union for us all. You appear to see no hope in chasing a better union in your post on the first page. That to me appears as bending over and asking for the lube.
originally posted by: celticniall
a reply to: grainofsand
So just because I disagree with Tory rule and the rule of Westminster, I'm the one who is meekly bending over??
The Scots voted to continue working to improve the shared union with N.Ireland, Wales, and England. That pleases me.
Isnt that what the majority of Scots did yesterday? 4 nations working together, thats a good one if you believe that!
Wow, such hatred for a nation of average people like you and me. I want us all to respect each other and work together for a brighter future. You appear bitter however.
It is one nation raping the other three....all the while the UK government is instigating and arming MINORITIES in other countries who want change of government........hypocrisy to say the least.
I hope your assessment of the continuing UK will be proved incorrect. Certainly if people are more positive than you appear then we may have a chance.
All I see is more Tory rule, the fear mongering worked a treat in Scotland.
Remains to be seen what will actually change, i doubt a whole lot!