Obamacare Architect Thinks We Should Die by 75

The 'architect' of Obamacare?
Are you talking about Mitt Romney?

a reply to: NotTooHappy

No we're talking about Satan.

originally posted by: Onslaught2996
Did any of you actually read the article?

He is talking about how long he would want to live.

And I am not advocating 75 as the official statistic of a complete, good life in order to save resources, ration health care, or address public-policy issues arising from the increases in life expectancy. What I am trying to do is delineate my views for a good life and make my friends and others think about how they want to live as they grow older. I want them to think of an alternative to succumbing to that slow constriction of activities and aspirations imperceptibly imposed by aging. Are we to embrace the “American immortal” or my “75 and no more” view?

Why I Hope to Die at 75

What is up with the right wing threads nowadays..they just straight out lie..the hell with truth..if it concerns Obama..twist and spin a story or outright lie to make him and company out to be evil.

stop confusing us with facts, no star for you sir

Create division between age groups, cause the young to see no value in people past a certain age, stereotype them as useless, ones to be taken care of, contributing nothing. Reinforce this pattern of thinking when it comes to disabled, challenged of all ages. Eventually a program is set up where said "useless" individuals are wiped out.

Sick, frightening, evil times we live in. Say what you want about the older generations, they at least were vigilant (though duped into the system like the younger ones).

If I had my choice of today or the early 50s I'd so jump back to the 50s. I adapt, I'd just miss modern music.

I see value in old people. One cannot experience the full gamut of human existence if they've only been alive for a decade or so. I'm mid 20s and I see how my generation is causing the destruction of everything, with many being apathetic, entitled, lazy and willfully ignorant.

I'd grow my own food, live in the middle of nowhere and laugh at Better Living Through Chemistry. I'd laugh at it but cherish it, knowing that I'd have 60 years until true insanity shows up.

originally posted by: CAPT PROTON
Old fool... with a name like Ezekiel, he should know that the bible puts a limit on a man's age at 120 years.

Genesis 6:3
Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

By the time of David it was this in Psalm 90:10

As for the days of our life, they contain seventy years, Or if due to strength, eighty years, Yet their pride is but labor and sorrow; For soon it is gone and we fly away.

a reply to: xuenchen

From the ORIGINAL article in the Atlantic...

Again, let me be clear: I am not saying that those who want to live as long as possible are unethical or wrong. I am certainly not scorning or dismissing people who want to live on despite their physical and mental limitations. I’m not even trying to convince anyone I’m right. Indeed, I often advise people in this age group on how to get the best medical care available in the United States for their ailments. That is their choice, and I want to support them.

Policy associated with his personal belief...what is it again? Hmmm... Let's see...

The first relates to him not wanting to use life-expectancy as a measure for QUALITY of health care. He would rather us focus more carefully on other factors...read on...

As for the two policy implications, one relates to using life expectancy as a measure of the quality of health care. Japan has the third-highest life expectancy, at 84.4 years (behind Monaco and Macau), while the United States is a disappointing No. 42, at 79.5 years... Instead, we should look much more carefully at children’s health measures, where the U.S. lags, and shamefully: in preterm deliveries before 37 weeks (currently one in eight U.S. births), which are correlated with poor outcomes in vision, with cerebral palsy, and with various problems related to brain development; in infant mortality (the U.S. is at 6.17 infant deaths per 1,000 live births, while Japan is at 2.13 and Norway is at 2.48); and in adolescent mortality (where the U.S. has an appalling record—at the bottom among high-income countries).

Recap: The first policy he would like to see related to his belief is to not use life expectancy as a measure of the quality of our Nation's health care - we are behind Monaco and Macau in addition to Japan in life expectancy - this does not mean that health care in Monaco, Macau or even Japan is of the same quality as here in the US.

Second policy relating to his ideas:

A second policy implication relates to biomedical research. We need more research on Alzheimer’s, the growing disabilities of old age, and chronic conditions—not on prolonging the dying process.

GASP!!! He wants MORE RESEARCH INTO ALZHEIMER'S, AGING DISABILITIES, and CHRONIC CONDITIONS! The fiend!!!!!!!!

But...but...doesn't he want to constrict access to healthcare for the elderly? I mean, isn't that what the article sited in the OP implies???

No. He doesn't.

And I am not advocating 75 as the official statistic of a complete, good life in order to save resources, ration health care, or address public-policy issues arising from the increases in life expectancy. What I am trying to do is delineate my views for a good life and make my friends and others think about how they want to live as they grow older. I want them to think of an alternative to succumbing to that slow constriction of activities and aspirations imperceptibly imposed by aging.

But feel free to spin and twist however you wish, regardless of his actual words. I know, I sound all kvetchy, but seriously, xeuchen, the article you posted is nothing more than spin and twist, with a healthy dose of "fear goggles." This is frustrating, and thus my kvetch. Yes, your article uses actual quotes, but it does so to distort and make "points" that are pure bull. NO ONE is trying to implement policy to make you die at 75. In fact, he wants policy to make living longer less disabling. Go figure.

*sigh*

- AB

a reply to: xuenchen

Obamacare Architect Thinks We Should Die by 75

He said no such thing? And why do you feel he is the "Architect" of Obamacare?

Maybe you should read his actual words?
Why I Hope to Die at 75
www.theatlantic.com...

a reply to: xuenchen

well, I think that leftist/socialist means a 75YO cap on the lowest cast persons, the welfare lifers or minimum wage persons

the persons that had a 45 year career as a government bureaucrat, pampered paper-pusher , and had a gym time regimen would have a life cap of 85YO

the top elite, NWO cadre like Brzezinski, Kissinger, Rockefellers, Gates', Turners' ...the ones that developed the eugenics/DNA manipulated culture would become virtually immortal with walk around life up to 100+ and cyborg existence afterword... so they become the NWO pantheon of gods



there is a vast chasm between statistical & actuarial tables and quality-of-natural-life perimeters

Imagine that.....another politically partisan thread in which the OP and those like him didn't even read the content before they go on their outrage circle-jerk.

If it's pointed out that their premise was completely wrong, they make up lame comments like "ya, maybe that's not what he said.....but it's what he meant".



I swear, the hardcore wannabe conservatives on this site are about as loony as those that believe Hitler and the reptilians live in hollow earth with Elvis.

Flame away, nutbags!