originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: onequestion
How is technology going to look after people?
Nope we will always need jobs on the care environment.
The original poster has a bit of a point, but then he committed an 'american typo', and I lost any budding respect for him. Rats.
You obviously didn't understand what he was trying to say, though. You are thinking within the box, he was talking from an 'outside the
The box is the problem. You want to serve the box with the box's own rules, without questioning the box.
Things 'need to be done' for a long time (it's hard to even imagine these half-animals ever reaching the end of level 1, let alone reach the stages
where physical matter is not always needed all that much).
But that doesn't necessarily mean 'jobs'.
There's 'work', and there are 'jobs'. Money need not be involved.
Money should be just a boundary condition for meaningful activity, not the be-all-and-end-all of every activity. Not everything needs to be measured
in coins, not everything needs to be tied to 'economy' or any kind of monetary or exchange or wealth-accumulating system, and not everyone needs to
be made to selfishly only work for their own self (or immediate family).
Money was supposed to be just a transition phase from a primitive and hard era to a more luxurious, leisure-filled, creative and spiritual time. But
we got stuck in an endless loop, or spiral, bringing us downwards every year - and 'they' like it that way, they want us to forget our true selves
and why we even exist.
No one exists to make money.
Food is locked up, although Earth offers it to us for free. What is that? Why can't we eat for free, although that's the kind of system that Earth
could and would gladly support (or if you don't like antropomorphizing a planet, then you can change this little detail to 'easily').
If things were arranged differently - and if everyone was encouraged to work for a gommon goal, and if work was fun, meaningful and short in time (an
hour or few per day, a few days a week or less), or as long as you like it to be, we could all live like Bill Gates, and no one would have to starve -
and yet, we really wouldn't have to work hard or long.
Robots could do A LOT of the work that's now done by humans (what a waste of spiritual beings!), and the kind of work that can't be done by robots,
would always have lots of volunteers to do it, and arranging it properly, there wouldn't be 'careers' so much as there would be 'interlaced
work-fun opportunities for all'. So someone might work at a task worthy of a human being, perhaps only once, and then work on some other, great task
the next week. Another one would find it so much fun, they would work longer, but when they want to end it, there would always be someone else, who
wants to try it or do it.
And I do realize that healthcare and all those other similar tasks require training and expertise, so there would of course be a certain kind of
commitment - but remember that the whole 'education' system is also really inefficient and a lot of it is pointless or false information - by
optimizing it, and also utilizing hypnotism in a scientific spirit (remember also the spirit-part), everyone could learn to be doctors and nurses and
whatever else in a fraction of the time it requires now, and everyone would HAVE more time anyway!
The technology to make all this true exists already - we could relatively easily do it, technology-wise, right now. But so many things would have to
change that these wretched half-animals have been brainwashed to believe are 'necessities', or learned to blindly depend on (completely forgetting
the teachings of the Oiled One), that it would take some time to gradually move to such a system.
I think that besides the oligarchs and all the evil beings and entities that inhabit this accursed waterball (with some mud thrown in), the biggest
problem to progress would be the same thing it always has; the stupidity of the masses.
They would ruin it soon anyway, and the deceitful evil entities would soon be back in control, and corrupt the system again.
The core problem thus is the people themselves. They deserve this kind of a system - it's a 'world-Karma' for the masses..
With GOOD people, almost _ANY_ kind of system would work, and flourish for the benefit of all, no problem. Communism, bring it on. Capitalism, let's
do it! Republic, I can't wait! Heck, even democracy could work..
With THESE 'people', I don't know if there is a system that wouldn't get corrupted or transmogrified into something resembling the horror that we
now live trapped within.
I know where you come from, original poster, so I am surprised to see that at least some people see the light from a non-commercial, non-monetary
point of view .. money is not a necessity naturally, only artificially. It has been MADE a necessity - you can't do almost anything anymore without
at least some amount of money, but it didn't use to be like that, and it's not always like that. On other planets, it's definitely not like that at
Have you ever thought that everything that is done in the world, is done without the money helping?
I mean, the bills in your wallet or pocket do not come to your aid when you lift a heavy object or design a new circuit. They don't move your mouse
when you save the file that will list the guidelines for a new procedure to build factory motors. They don't do ANYTHING. They just sit there.
If all the bills and all money in any form whatsoever, suddenly disappeared, you could work for hours, without even noticing - the work could thus
still be done without money.
All this work could be done WITHOUT the bills flowing back and forth (I mean, you give them to a grocer, who then gives them to a bank, where you
withdraw the same bills again, and then you give them back to the grocer, who gives them to a bank, and so on).
It's pretty crazy, if you look at it really. The same bill can go in complete circles, achieving nothing, and the humans, whose hands busily and
greedily handle it, keep putting it in the same hands, back and forth. You might just as well save the trouble and keep the bill in your pocket,
because that's where it will soon be anyway, even if you pay with it.
Of course in actual reality, it's not very likely that the same exact bill would return to the same individual over and over again, but basically,
this IS what happens. Couldn't ALL this be done WITHOUT passing the bill back and forth? Couldn't all this work and food-moving be done without some
artificial, human-created piece of paper (or worse, some plastic card with a microchip on hit arranging electro-magnetic polarities!) being tossed
back and forth?
It's like cooking and every time you use another ingredient, you'd have to toss a tennis ball to someone, who would then toss you a football, when
you move on to the next ingredient, and then you'd have to toss that football to someone else, before going to the toilet, and .. it's just ..
It seems so redundant to me.. if everything that people do right now, would be just 'done', without the bills going back and forth, the same things
would still keep happening, but now we wouldn't have the hassle of 'money' imprisoning us.
It's a simplistic thought, but think about it.. why do we need the paper/metal/plastic to swing between every action we take, and couldn't
everything work JUST THE SAME without it happening all the time?
I guess it's a simple thought, difficult to explain. But those that have ears, let them hear.. (or eyes, let them see, or whatever - not everyone is
going to put this through a speech synth, I suppose)
Money is not necessary, but it has been artificially made into a worshipped deity, without which, people wouldn't even know how to live.
And thus they think they need "jobs". What a lunatic thought!