Another clearcut case of police brutality...... Sigh

originally posted by: Restricted
Stop refusing to identify yourself or provide ID. Problem solved.

People who don't are just stupid.

Just drop your pants and let them probe when asked!!! Will you be ok with that too?
Unless a person has done wrong police should have no authority whatsoever over another person! They are not gods, they are employee's!

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: SouthernForkway26
It is not the id, but the correctly identifying yourself when asked who you are. Most statues are very clear, you have to give your name, date of birth and address. Failure to provide correct information is a crime. And the police can ask you at any time to identify yourself. That much is clear and many states, have such on the books, where it is no longer just under probable cause.

That would make sense considering they have checkpoints asking for ID, registration and insurance.

a reply to: TKDRL
Well I guess that kills you from flying, or purchasing age restricted products from some stores, visiting an adult theater, or banking. But beyond that there is one other thing that many should realize.

The reason why police are getting more irritated, is that people are not rolling the windows all of the way down, thus eliminating the excuse that they smelled something as reason to search a vehicle.

a reply to: TKDRL

man ive watched that a few times and cant even see the "suspect" flinch...no reason he should have been taken down that i can see.

originally posted by: Restricted
Stop refusing to identify yourself or provide ID. Problem solved.

People who don't are just stupid.

Next week:

DNA swabs, finger prints. blood samples, urine samples. Just a routine check stop...

"Why Officer?"

BECAUSE WE SAID SO!"

Just obey...Problem solved.

Right?

Wrong.

Peace

originally posted by: VoidHawk

originally posted by: Restricted
Stop refusing to identify yourself or provide ID. Problem solved.

People who don't are just stupid.

Just drop your pants and let them probe when asked!!! Will you be ok with that too?
Unless a person has done wrong police should have no authority whatsoever over another person! They are not gods, they are employee's!

I guess you haven't flown in the states lately. Between the feel up, scanner, shoe removal, and inspection of your things I would say it is over. We let it happen and it is just getting worse. They even have viper teams at train stations, bus stops, and traffic stops doing searches for no reason. We gave them the power by staying quiet and being whipped little puppies. It's nobodies fault but our own.

originally posted by: jude11

originally posted by: Restricted
Stop refusing to identify yourself or provide ID. Problem solved.

People who don't are just stupid.

Next week:

DNA swabs, finger prints. blood samples, urine samples. Just a routine check stop...

"Why Officer?"

BECAUSE WE SAID SO!"

Just obey...Problem solved.

Right?

Wrong.

Peace

I agree with you. While my first thought is indeed.... Just show them your ID... that niggling little thing called "The Slippery Slope" always creeps in. It snowballs. It's kind of like giving your children and inch and then complaining when they take a mile. That's what is happening here. That's why we are where we are right now IMO. So while the ID is a good idea, you open yourself up to "what next?". That's my problem.

originally posted by: rockpaperhammock
a reply to: TKDRL

man ive watched that a few times and cant even see the "suspect" flinch...no reason he should have been taken down that i can see.

He had the audacity to exercise his rights and ask questions instead of bowing down in gratitude for being pulled over.... that's apparently a no no now.

a reply to: sdcigarpig
No interest in getting molested by the TSA, I do not look like a little kid, no interest in porn theatre, don't need an ID to bank. Poor cops lol, they better pipe down before they become targets more often.

originally posted by: Restricted
Stop refusing to identify yourself or provide ID. Problem solved.

People who don't are just stupid.

Ah yes, the whole tripping to the ground smashing the head on the pavement is normal police arrest procedure. Check!

a reply to: TKDRL

I wanted to star this post, but there's no telling who is watching...LOL

originally posted by: boncho

originally posted by: Restricted
Stop refusing to identify yourself or provide ID. Problem solved.

People who don't are just stupid.

Ah yes, the whole tripping to the ground smashing the head on the pavement is normal police arrest procedure. Check!

Point out where I said that.

Im actually from this town.. Clovis NM and know the female driving the car. The man ended up having to have surgery for eye orbit fractures and metal plates were put in. The police here are notorious for being heavy handed. Please note my husband is a police offcer and has been for 30 plus years. I often side with the officers and scrutinize and report of excessive force. Bottom line I want my husband to come home but this is past excessive. A side note is that the officers father is an investigator for the DA. This has coveup written all over it. a reply to: TKDRL

a reply to: TKDRL
Beyond the ID, the cops do have the right to ask for identification of a person.


While I do not believe the officer was in the right in this case, however, the general rule of thumb should be the following:
A little cooperation always goes along way, and use the right to remain silent.

a reply to: MarlinGrace
If you are driving, then yes they would have the right to ask to see your dl. If you do not have a DL, then they can remove the driver and impound the car.

Definately agree the man should have cooperated. Things would have been alot smoother, however not showing ID did not warrant the injury he received. Experienced officers know how to handle these situations could have arrested him for concealing identity. He was willingly walking to the poice car. Put him in and move on to the cell. Looked like a temper tantrum by the cop to me. a reply to: TKDRL

Everyone has a choice
He exercised his.

But it is criminal what that cop did!! Not "excessive force"
What is that just a simple write up? Come on now, hit him with felonious assault , and get the bystander ( other cop ) with co conspirator .
That's fair right?

He didn't resist arrest at all, and we all can see that, he got that charge to justify the injury.

I just don't understand how people lay their heads down at night , being such liars and destroyers of lives.

Like someone else mentioned, identifying yourself is usually governed by state law. I know in Texas that the rules are pretty straightforward. If you are under arrest you have to provide your name, address, and date of birth. Not complying is a Class C Misdemeanor, unless you have a warrant, in which case it becomes a Class B. There is a difference in being under arrest and being detained. In Texas, the courts have ruled that a person cannot be arrested for refusing to identify themselves if they are only being detained. Now the rules change if you are driving a motor vehicle, in which case you must provide ID. I've been stopped without my driver's license before, but I've never had any problems because I gave the officer my information, and I know my DL's number. He probably could have done something if I was rude or whatever, but I was respectful and he didn't say anything.

Now there is a trend in my state about officers apparently thinking they can arrest anybody who doesn't identify themselves, but I don't know where this idea came from. The courts repeatedly have ruled in favor of the citizen who was arrested. They are also not just supposed to be able to stop anybody on the street unless they have reasonable suspicion that a crime was committed, or that a person witnessed a crime. I remember reading a case about this some time ago, and it was determined that this was violation of the person's rights. I also do not think an officer, at least in Tx, can demand ID from everyone in a vehicle, but can only demand ID from the driver, if no wrongdoing was committed. And even then, I think the person has to be under arrest before they have to give up any information. It is also interesting to note that the courts in Texas have ruled that refusing to cooperate with being arrested does not constitute resisting arrest by force. Now I don't remember with any certainty, but I want to say that you had to provide some piece of information even when being detained, but I'm looking up the laws now and I don't see it.

a reply to: TKDRL

In TKDRL's post listing more info it is states that "There have been NO complaints recieved by the Arrested Party". It also states that this investigation was brought on by the LEO's Chain of Command, who were alerted by routine checks and balances. I can't figure why anyone would see a "cover up" or the whole force being up to no good. I'm the first to point out problems I have with Police and this hits home because here in Denton a jailer was recently fired for performing a legs sweep just like this video to a friend of mine(it was in the news). In times like these though it should NEVER HAPPEN at least it was his own department that let us know about it.

That is not entirely true. The press release on the investigation was released.. today. The incident happened in August. The release came out when the video started being shared and discussions like this popped up. a reply to: wastedown