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Conspiracies which could topple our world governments

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posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 10:52 AM
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There have been many proven conspiracies, not just in the United States, that are absolutely shocking. Watergate is one that everyone knows about. Since it was limited to a single administration, it destroyed that administration but not the government. Although it certainly dented the public trust for which we have never fully recovered. Other horrible things like Northwoods or MK Ultra get a shrug from most people, which I find bizarre.

My question in this thread: Are there any potential conspiracies which could topple an entire government, the size of the United States? Conspiracies so awful, and so horrible, that public trust would be lost forever? Something so incredibly secretive and damaging, that people would actually revolt and attempt to overthrow a government? Let's work through a couple of examples.

1. 911. If it could be positively proven that administration of George Bush, or perhaps the evil (IMHO) CIA, were behind, and/or aided terrorists in the 911 plot, how would the populace react?

2. The UFO/alien conspiracy. If it could be proven that since the 1940s, the US government, and those around the world, have conspired to hide important truths from us about an alien presence, how would we react?

I have been looking into the 911 conspiracy recently, and many things are unanswered, strange, and suspicious. In no particular order, one item of note the missing $2.3 trillion, disclosed on 9/10/01, and the next say the records were destroyed. Another one, how in the hell did passports survive a crash where steel was melted? That is a bizarre anomaly. I am very uneasy with what I have learned, and I want answers.

I have been fascinated with the UFO field for several years, and I am absolutely convinced that we are being lied to, and important information is being covered up by the governments. I think many others are as well, but there doesn't seem to be near as much anger on this issue. Perhaps most people are comfortable not knowing.

So, opinions please. Is there a conspiracy out there which could possibly cause the ultimate toppling of the United States, or another major power? If so, in your opinion, which one.

For me it's 911. If it can be proven that our government was behind and/or aided in this, for the purposes of building sentiment towards war, and to take freedoms from the people, could this cause an uprising that could destroy this government? I would certainly join in the revolt, if I was 100 percent convinced. I hope you would too.

Thank you for your calm and thoughtful comments.
edit on 17-9-2014 by Jchristopher5 because: Fixed a couple of typos.




posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 11:59 AM
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I heartily agree with your two and I would add the Federal Reserve Bank. I think if the true nature of the Federal Reserve, IRS, fiat currency, and debt slavery were understood by half of Americans, there would be rioting in the streets.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:14 PM
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Ill go so far as to say the BIS (bank of international settlements) is a big reason to whack a whole bunch of the elite account holders...which are not revealed to us peons...
The workings of the IMF could topple several governments if found out....
And the answer to who killed Kennedy could still cause the US to revolt.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:29 PM
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What I love about the alien conspiracy is I think its the single one to actually unite us intellectually, culturally, and maybe even politically. It could be the ace in the sleeve if all hell breaks loose...just come out and say "aliens!" and we would be so distracted.

But maybe they don't want us to all unite and live in peace or be distracted onto something bigger than our own governments. They would become much less important over night.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:31 PM
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The people are so used to getting lied to these day's 70% of the people think 9-11 was a inside job

here are some bush quotes !!!

"If the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts." ---George H.W. Bush's

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."--Bush jnr (Daily Mirror 6 aug 2004)

"There ought to be limits to freedom." -- G.W. Bush


There's three things to remember: claim everything, explain nothing, deny everything.–Prescott Bush (Skull and Bones, 1917) www.whale.to...



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:37 PM
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Id put in there, IRS, Federal Reserve, Military Industrial complex, Religion, our History as a species, Our history as a nation, or any nation really that uses Western Finiances



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: Jchristopher5

9/11 is definitely number 1
I would say number two would be voting. If the people found out voting was rigged, it would topple the government.

There are a lot of government policies and laws that if the truth about why they are rules/laws came out, that would really effect the government also...Not sure if it would topple the government but it would really make the people hate them, even more than already!



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: Jchristopher5





My question in this thread: Are there any potential conspiracies which could topple an entire government, the size of the United States? Conspiracies so awful, and so horrible, that public trust would be lost forever? Something so incredibly secretive and damaging, that people would actually revolt and attempt to overthrow a government? Let's work through a couple of examples.


I do not think so. You make mention of Watergate. Without comprehensively itemizing and summarizing the raft of scandals which have plagued various branches and departments of the US Government since its inception, the pertinent viewpoint here I believe is in understanding the ruthlessly efficient compartmentalization of our government and how well that mechanism was engineered to prevent the kind of collapse you forward.

Our government can be compared to the reactive armor on the old Bradley Fighting Vehicle. The armor can withstand most hits from small arms fire without damage at all. However, when a conspiracy laden scandal breaks that's big enough to do major carnage or even "sink the ship", a section of her armor takes the hit and pops off--along with the sacrifice of whatever individual politician, sub-bureaucracy or department--while the whole remains intact and as functional as ever. In the case of Watergate, the President himself took the hit along with the greater extent of his cabinet, and yet the well oiled government machine churned on.




1. 911. If it could be positively proven that administration of George Bush, or perhaps the evil (IMHO) CIA, were behind, and/or aided terrorists in the 911 plot, how would the populace react?


Nothing would change, in my opinion, nor would some mass movement of enraged citizens take to the streets with pitchforks, torches and the like. Why? In the first place, proving a truth to every last naturally skeptical American-- even a truth they actually want to believe--is next to impossible as some agent--be they of the corporate driven press or of the opposing political party will plant seeds of doubt. How many "official" versions of the big stories to we receive every week? Those among us who harbor the most faith in our leadership would likely refuse to believe and side with the outright liars they voted for.

But I digress.

Let's suppose as you say some darker 9/11 finding was made or uncovered explicit revealing government intention to kill American citizens for momentum to go to war or pass the Patriot Act. In my experience and thinking both as an American and an amateur student of history--I simply do not see an enforced radical change by the people of or on their government. We are dependent on the state no matter how independent many of us claim to be of it. We are addicted to its structure, its sanctuary of leadership, and its guidance in every facet of our life. Without our government, and the cancer of its corporate leash, the entire range of comforts and variety and structured freedoms we enjoy would not be possible. Attack the hands that feed and lead and nurture us? I do not think so.




So, opinions please. Is there a conspiracy out there which could possibly cause the ultimate toppling of the United States, or another major power? If so, in your opinion, which one.


No. And speaking to your speculation 9/11 "truth" could initiate such a domino effect, I think taking a step back to view the scenery in more detail is a vital and rational move. Suppose a revolt were initiated by say the commanders of an armored division or two. Myself, I would never leap into service to such a rebellion without intimate knowledge of what the rebellion leadership stood for or intended their new post coup American government to look like. While its true the government we have is putrid and corrupt on many levels, and year after year seems to decompose further, I will think long and in depth before throwing my lot and life in with or behind the intent of any would be revolutionary leader.

Uniting behind a cause to bring change many of us desire is a very exciting and alluring concept. Without doubt more bad guys than good run things these days but much like we average citizens our leaders remain as dependent on the system or the machine as we do. At least we have a system, and I think for the majority of us that alone will be enough for now at least to satisfy rage over revelation of just about any injustice.





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posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:54 PM
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a reply to: VictorVonDoom

The problem is the slaves are kept too comfortable to even think about rebelling.

School has taught us that we currently don't have the conditions for a rebellion. It has to be the 1700s, a king a thousand miles away, taxes on tea, etc.

The people are too brainwashed to even comprehend rebellion. Conspiracy theories will always be equated to bitter loners living in basements.

If the people only knew they'd never laugh ever again.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:54 PM
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Good thread, OP. And good question:



Are there any potential conspiracies which could topple an entire government, the size of the United States? Conspiracies so awful, and so horrible, that public trust would be lost forever? Something so incredibly secretive and damaging, that people would actually revolt and attempt to overthrow a government?


In my humble opinion, the Kennedy Assassination is a government sponsored cover up that could certainly do what you describe above, or at least could have when it happened. Perhaps not as much now, though, if it came out definitively that J. Edgar Hoover, et al and the CIA were involved in a president of the U.S.'s killing, it would be monumental, still.

Second, MKUltra and specifically, human use experimentation without consent, or consent under duress, is certainly enough to topple a government, again, if it should ever truly be revealed the extent of or current ongoing experimentation. There is plenty of technology and evidence right in front of people that there is remote monitoring of subjects and human use experimentation going on in the United States….
This is what' s admitted:
NBC

ATLANTA — Shocking as it may seem, U.S. government doctors once thought it was fine to experiment on disabled people and prison inmates. Such experiments included giving hepatitis to mental patients in Connecticut, squirting a pandemic flu virus up the noses of prisoners in Maryland, and injecting cancer cells into chronically ill people at a New York hospital.
Much of this horrific history is 40 to 80 years old, but it is the backdrop for a meeting in Washington this week by a presidential bioethics commission. The meeting was triggered by the government's apology last fall for federal doctors infecting prisoners and mental patients in Guatemala with syphilis 65 years ago.
U.S. officials also acknowledged there had been dozens of similar experiments in the United States — studies that often involved making healthy people sick.


Well, when I look at that, and think what hasn't been admitted, yet, I guess it isn't enough to topple a government, cause it's still there…..

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posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: Jchristopher5
My question in this thread: Are there any potential conspiracies which could topple an entire government


I doubt it....there has been an overwhelming consensus that the apollo moon landings were a hoax for decades now and although it may have caused a period of crisis for awhile, the public has now entered a linear progression towards cognitive dissonance....



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: Misinformation

The mindset in this country is even if it happened what's the point of rebellion?

No one is waking up, except to what our overlords want us to see.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: Jchristopher5
The thing is, regarding these government-toppling conspiracies is that they are too big ever be brought to light. Look at the JFK assassination. Millions of documents remain classified until I think about 2029, or something like that, in the sake of National Security. The gov't has buried so much under the guise of national security. JFK tried to tackle things that were just too big for even the POTUS, ultimately leading to a coup. Pretty scary, really. These conspiracies transcend Administrations, forming an unstoppable machine that no one wants to or is able to bring to light. Democrats, Republicans, it doesn't matter; they all "fall in line." It's just the way it is.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 02:00 PM
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So many great responses, thank you. I would like to respond to each one individually, but rather, let me summarize.

I left out a lot of great conspiracies and potential conspiracies. Religion was mentioned. The Fed. The "fake" moon landing, although I am not sure I subscribe to that one just yet.

It seems that most do not believe we are capable of a revolution. Our lives are too "good". We have creature comforts, sports, various material possessions, and other distractions. We are too selfish to care that we are being lied to, misled, and used. Sort of like the person that marries someone wealthy, of extremely bad character. They stay in the marriage because it benefits them.

Another good point is the compliant media, and how we are programmed to believe what they want us to believe. ATS readers are an exceptional group, but most "ordinary people" have no idea, nor want any part of any suggestion about these conspiracies. Conspiracy theorists, "truthers", and "tin foil wearing" alien believers are generally scorned by society, being led by what we have been programmed to believe.

Sadly, you are probably right. It would take something monumental for the masses to organize in revolt. It might take a worldwide collapse of our financial system, the masses losing the lifestyle we enjoy today, for anyone to care.

But, you know what? That scenario seems more and more likely to me. I feel like our monetary system is built to collapse, it's a matter of when. Once we lose our comfort, and have nothing to lose, is that the point where we care enough to act? Maybe.


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posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 03:23 PM
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Misinformation, I believe, mentioned an all too true factor of consciousness called cognitive dissonance:


Leon Festinger's theory of cognitive dissonance focuses on how humans strive for internal consistency. When inconsistency (dissonance) is experienced, individuals tend to become psychologically uncomfortable and are motivated to attempt to reduce this dissonance,as well as actively avoiding situations and information which are likely to increase it


Bold emphasis mine, but that's the part that makes sense, here. Though many probably feel for a very long time that being an "American" and a belief in our government are dissonant, we simply avoid what it is that increases that feeling, as we are helpless to change it.

Many times, I think, when you see the guy blockaded in his house, alone, threatening suicide or something, that dissonance has reached a point he cannot any longer accept.
Don't forget that there are groups that pursue just what you describe due to their internal dissonance and being a citizen of the country: Ruby Ridge, etc. come to mine as to what may happen there. My point is that when citizens begin to seek to congregate together and state their mission is directly related to this dissonance, they are usually tracked, and sometimes put down, quite forcefully. Of course, many of these groups seek a power agenda of their own….this is the problem, I think, with revolution, here.

But, generally, it has become obvious in American political theater that the country, as a whole, yearns for change, as every candidate runs on that platform.


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posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 05:13 PM
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Exposing the UFO/alien "conspiracy" for what it really may be - human time travelers from our own future - would be devastating to the entire world. People might stop caring about the things that could wipe out humanity, like world wars, acceleration of climate change, or epidemics. Why worry, we're going to last for hundreds of thousands of years, right? We might learn that many episodes of our collective past were engineered by our own progeny, for their own purposes, and to them we are still "cavemen". They may not even be entirely human, but are actually fused from another evolutionary line of mammals or reptiles, and they would be more interested in hastening our collapse as a sub-species for the benefit of their own. In any scenario, the realization that we're not special, important, blessed, or destined to rule the Earth forever, would be devastating, and those who find out accidentally may have to be eliminated in order for the greater population to remain happily ignorant.

This is conjecture only, I don't regard it as anything but a flight of imagination for the benefit of contributing to the hypothetical nature of this discussion.
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posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 05:37 PM
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1. 911. If it could be positively proven that administration of George Bush, or perhaps the evil (IMHO) CIA, were behind, and/or aided terrorists in the 911 plot, how would the populace react?


I don't believe for one minute that Bush was in on the plan on 9/11. He was just a useful idiot.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 07:17 PM
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One conspiracy,in my opinion,of which I've seen very little exposure,is that of collegiate sports and the secret agenda'
s behind it. Colleges take bright, physically fit young men and women,a large proportion minorities,puts them in a box and basically controls their life for 5-6 years. Depleting the energies of these young people during their most active and formative years. Granted most enjoy the perks and celebrity status but I'm looking at this from a conspiratorial angle. 1.Free room and board notwithstanding all facets of their life is controlled,then exploited for money by collegiate sports of which they receive none legally but are convinced they will make millions when they move to the next level even though less than 1% actually do, on top of a roughly 50% Graduation rate. 2. Potential revolutionaries disgusted by street life and the Projects are turned from the moral cause of making life better where they grew up by the promise of fame and fortune. The best/brightest young men and women spend their lives in the pursuit of said fame and glory having a brief taste of it instead of turning their attention as potential leaders of the community to improve conditions from where the came. 3. College age youths in collegiate sports with leadership abilities well above average are kept off the streets precluding any rabble rousing about inner city conditions or forming clubs and groups with the potential to confront the status quo with regards to racism,the cycle of violence and the repeat generational poverty which is inherent in the system. I could go on but you get the picture I think, and many college athletes do give back to their community after the fact.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 09:46 PM
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JFK in my opinion was done by many people, some in the government some not. There was certainly a coverup here but I don't think it would shake trust in government to the ground.

Aliens would unite us and for the most part make us happy. If they were kept secret I think people would be mostly understanding here.

9/11 is the big one out of what was mentioned. If the government was involved (and I think they were) I think we would burn the country down in response.

Here's one that people haven't mentioned though: The inflation rate. CPI is essentially a state run Libor scandal. Companies and the banks have profited massively here through pushing interest rates down, our wages these days are 1/3 what they would be at this point had this not been revamped in 1982. So much money has been stolen through wage stagnation fueled by this that it is unreal.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 10:01 PM
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JFK in my opinion was done by many people, some in the government some not. There was certainly a coverup here but I don't think it would shake trust in government to the ground.

a reply to: Aazadan

If it was proven that this government colluded to kill a sitting president, it should shake this representative democracy to the ground….IMHO. The people elected the officials who represent them, are taxed to pay the salaries of the men involved in said collusion, elected the man to sit in that seat, and then he was killed---by the very men whose salaries are paid by that taxation.

If that isn't reason to "shake trust in government to the ground" I don't know what is. But then, I provided admitted evidence of the government making its own citizens sick….and that seems like it doesn't shake trust, either, so I don't know what in the world would.

Oh yeah, the theft of money, the Libor scandal, yeah, that might do it. That's the priorities, right.


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