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Tensions With Russia Near Breaking Point

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posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 12:01 AM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: DeadSeraph

Read my posts again, probably I am the only few who accept that Russia is helping the rebels with men and machines. My complain however is the help came a little late as thousands of lives could have been saved with early butt spanking of the Ukrops.

Btw, if Kremlin 'super strategists' try to freeze this conflict and leave Donbass as it is...................no one will EVER fight for Russia and its corrupt systems and Tsarist culture again.

In WWII, the Commie Stalin under pressure of retreat, quickly changed the slogan of war from the Commie Cause to Russian Nationalism. Common peasant and mine worker fought for Mother Russia and NOT for USSR's commie system. However, if today's mine workers lost their life and home, fighting for Russia and in turn Kremlin shut the switch on them..........then that betrayal will come at a very heavy price for those who manufactured this conflict in the first place. Strelkov and others have already warned on this back stab in Minsk.



You're really confusing. So now you are lauding Stalin? The same man who starved millions of Ukrainians and killed millions of his own people because "Mother Russia"? Then in the same sentence you decry the USSR's communist system?

What exactly is it you would like to see here? From the sounds of it, you would have been fine with a full scale Russian invasion of the Ukraine to annex not only Crimea, but most of the Eastern portions of Ukraine as well, and the only justification you seem to present for such a scenario is "nazi's" and "fascists".




posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 12:10 AM
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a reply to: DeadSeraph

One thing I would concede to you Russia haters.............i.e. your low level of comprehensions is very much made up by high confidence in thinking that you guys are right.

If you cannot comprehend the meaning of my posts..............which are simple english only and nothing complex, then I for one cannot help you. Get some outside person to explain or just leave it like that.

ps: your name tunes well with your 'near dead' levels of mental cognition.
edit on 22-9-2014 by victor7 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 01:14 AM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: GargIndia

Kremlin cannot leave the NovoRossiya project as a frozen Transnistria type conflict. NovoRossiya has to take shape this winter.

Even by the words of NATO commander, the cease fire is mostly on paper. Ukrops are busy trying to take advantage where ever they can. Once Junta feels confident again, it will launch another attack on NAF.

It is possible that Russians are waiting for that to happen and this time they might NOT send troops under cover but with a formal invasion force with air power and cruise missiles. In two weeks Junta will be pushed to the other side of Dniper.



I don't think Kiev itself is in a position to strike quickly as they have no military advantage.

Kiev can bring reserve stocks to service but that does not help much.

Kiev needs Western tanks and IFVs. This has not come and will not come until West has a ruse. This remains to be seen how the ruse will be fabricated.

I think DNR will not sit idle. DNR will also prepare as everybody knows this is not over.

So this winter is not the one. It will be tough for Ukraine but Europe will provide the gas for this winter. It is the next one (2015) which will pinch much harder.

Ukraine economy is shot with East Ukraine in ruins and a lot of factories idling.

A lot depends on what Russia actually does. How fast gas pipes are laid to the East.



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: DeadSeraph

Read my posts again, probably I am the only few who accept that Russia is helping the rebels with men and machines. My complain however is the help came a little late as thousands of lives could have been saved with early butt spanking of the Ukrops.



I don't think any spanking was ever necessary ... and I am also convinced that all sides are downplaying the number of casualties. A million refugees, doesn't say a few hundred casualties ... it's probably closer to tens of thousands.

That said, if Kremlin had just shown right from the start what was and wasn't acceptable. No war would have taken place, even the nazis in Ukraine aren't so stupid as to risk a nuke down their throat.

And what's worse, if Russia doesn't want this to continue to happen in every single place ... especially with the muslim's on the rise. They've just gotta show, that they aren't a bunch of pussies.



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: victor7




One thing I would concede to you Russia haters.............i.e. your low level of comprehensions is very much made up by high confidence in thinking that you guys are right.


Amazing you have to drop to that level to insistently take shots personally instead of the topic at hand.

And just so you know it isn't Russia in general that people don't like...it's just Putin.





If you cannot comprehend the meaning of my posts..............which are simple english only and nothing complex, then I for one cannot help you. Get some outside person to explain or just leave it like that.


Well, maybe it isn't the person reading your posts but the one writing them...And how is someone else going to help if they can't understand them either?



ps: your name tunes well with your 'near dead' levels of mental cognition.


That's telling him...



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 02:46 PM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

Problem is Ukrops thought that both NATO and US will back them in military sense. That gave them NAZI FANGS to go on aggression. However, when no backing came then they felt sucked into a wrong conflict. It was too late however and soon NAZIs were DEFANGED in Ilovaisk.

It is estimated 4000 rebel fighters have been killed and 3-4 times the Ukrops. Even if ratio is 1:1, that is pretty good given that rebels had barely AKs and RPGs mostly and for long time until few weeks ago and were without any body armor for all the troops. Ukrops were also under several encirclements and even now 5 or more can be found on the maps. At least 2 of these encirclements at Ilovaisk and Amrosivakka were destroyed.

In a month, both rebels and Russia will have more leverage given the cold will set in and West would like to remain warm and cosy rather than risk heating shut off. Rebels will be near to home and Ukrops mostly in the trenches and "walk outs" numbers will rise rapidly.

I have not seen such MEGA levels of political foolishness as shown by Junta in this whole Ukraine episode.......not since Saddam Hussien trying to poke US in the eye and kept on throwing punches even when flattened on the ground with no one on his side. Junta is no different and shows no signs of improvement.



posted on Sep, 22 2014 @ 05:50 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: DeadSeraph

One thing I would concede to you Russia haters.............i.e. your low level of comprehensions is very much made up by high confidence in thinking that you guys are right.

If you cannot comprehend the meaning of my posts..............which are simple english only and nothing complex, then I for one cannot help you. Get some outside person to explain or just leave it like that.

ps: your name tunes well with your 'near dead' levels of mental cognition.


I see. So rather than clarify your incoherent ramblings to someone who is genuinely interested in further understanding your position, you resort to ad hominem attacks.

You sir, are a complete waste of my time. Good day.



posted on Sep, 23 2014 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
I'm pretty sure that War is in the making. I think that this war is a planned event to try to fix the economies of the countries. It is just a game to all of these countries, one that both trims populations and stimulates work. The losers are always the regular citizens, they never target the capital buildings to destroy the leaders. The terrorists don't follow these rules, that is why they are dangerous to the ones on top of our governments. It is all right to kill the citizens but not the rulers.


www.zerohedge.com...

Except Putin is playing for keeps. I would feel better if the Euro wussies would have NATO exercises like this. I see this as one last run up for war and Ukraine is going to be hit so hard and fast that NATO will only be able to stop and block him at Ukraine's border with Europe. It takes a lot of resources to move that many troops, just look how long it took the U.S. to move that many troops to invade Iraq the first time. Sure we had to move them a lot farther but that is the point.

Europe is flat on their own should Putin decide he wants to play hard ball in their backyard. Uncle Sam can only get there so fast and yes while our strike aircraft can be there pretty fast ,our ships take about a few weeks to get in position and tank support would take awhile before we can drive them through the worlds largest paint booth for their traditional woodland cammo and air drop them into a WW3 pressure cooker.

I put little faith in Germany staying with NATO, Push come to shove. One can only hope Poland can hang on long enough for France and the rest of NATO to back them up.



posted on Sep, 23 2014 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: victor7

They are not NAZIS LOL. They are simply sick and tired of living in Russian slums. They want to prosper like any normal nation in Europe. Not that they want to be in the EU, they just want to be away from Russian dictators and repressed economics.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 12:10 AM
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a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

No doubt they want to prosper. And easy means are marrying Western rejects and drunkards. That sure will create a great progeny.

Russia has its own problems and militarism is ingrained in Russian society. However people like you forget that Ukraine is no different. Organized crime and crime ridden business groups are the norm in Ukraine. The stuff you accuse Russia with is very much the norm in Ukraine itself.

Ukraine is NO western Europe. And Ukraine will never be normal in the sense you just wrote. Ukrainians are seeing excess militarism which will die down after a big loss of life. This is nothing new for Slavic race.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 12:11 AM
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Donbass Battalion To Receive Training From Non-Active US Military Personnel

Semyon Semyonchenko, the commander of the Ukrainian Donbass volunteer battalion, who has recently returned from a visit to the United States, has written on his Facebook page that an arrangement has been made for non-active US military personnel to train his unit, according to the same standards used for US special forces training.

Semyonchenko writes (translated by The Interpreter):

Yesterday I signed a contract to organise training for fighters and officers of the Donbass battalion by mobile groups of instructors from the USA by servicemen who are not currently active. They will work according to the traditional training system used by the Navy Seals and Delta Force.

Standards have been precisely developed for each department (reconnaissance, special forces, security, etc.) and each position from sergeant through to the commander of the battalion. Particular attention is paid to individual training as well as teamwork. The maximum number of practical exercises are used. Another important point is the training of sergeants (non-commissioned officers) in acting independently and managing a team.

The instructors will also be used to prepare internal security forces, and such training is one of the forms of indirect assistance Ukraine is receiving. The training begins in 10 days. After running through the training system, we will be ready to share our experience and help deliver the training system to other volunteer and regular units.
Read more at www.liveleak.com...



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 12:13 AM
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USA has agreed to supply Ukraine with personnel weapons and "micro-drones" according to another news.

So USA is now actively supplying weapons and training Ukraine troops, thus becoming a party to Ukrainian conflict.

This is very much a NATO vs Russia conflict. Nothing is hidden any more.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 12:20 AM
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As Kiev's weapons become more sophisticated, Russia will have to supply appropriate weapons to DNR.

As Kiev introduces more special forces in the theater, DNR will have to counter with even more destruction of logistics in Ukraine, to stop Kiev. The area of fighting will keep on getting larger.

Ukrainians are "boycotting" Russian goods. No idea what that means really.

So we see the illogic engulf Ukrainians. This will continue until the fighting engulfs the city of Kiev and the Ukrainians clearly realize the weakness of their position.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 12:32 AM
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Poroshenko has accepted a ceasefire after catastrophic losses in his forces. He may put up a brave face in public but the fact is the decision is made under duress.

That does not mean Kiev is defeated. Of course Kiev is not defeated. Russia is very reluctant to fight a big war in a brotherly Slavic country. However the situation is not in control of Russia. When a war starts, ultimately each combatant thinks of only winning and rest of the considerations are pushed into the background.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 02:30 AM
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a reply to: GargIndia




Poroshenko has accepted a ceasefire after catastrophic losses in his forces. He may put up a brave face in public but the fact is the decision is made under duress.


Or he knows it is a way to keep the separatists from killing and terrorizing more areas of Ukraine. Just so you know the separatists asked for a cease fire when they had meetings in Minsk. But of course you ignore that fact.



Russia is very reluctant to fight a big war in a brotherly Slavic country.


And where exactly have you been, because Russia is the reason they are fighting in Ukraine? They started this war by annexing Crimea.



posted on Sep, 24 2014 @ 04:37 AM
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originally posted by: DAZ21

Maybe it's just me, but is there anything worse the western world could have done than add more sanctions? I mean there will be nothing that gets the Russian people riled up more and all for going to war with the western world which is economically screwing them over. Seems like a stupid thing our governments have done to me.


But Russia has covertly for years been working to devalue the petro dollar.

If you live by the Sword.....

Korg.



posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 02:43 AM
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Admission of military defeat by Ukraine PM Yatsenyuk:

"Mr. Putin, you can win a fight against the troops."

www.praguepost.com...

This does not sound like PM of a country that vowed to crush the terrorists just a few months back.

I find it very interesting that PM of Ukraine is brandishing nuclear threat at the UN.

"A few months ago, a civilian flight MH-17 was downed by Russian-made surface-to-air missile."

Yatsenyuk forgot to tell that his country operates the same missiles operated by Russia also, and the fact that military industrial complex of Ukraine and Russia was shared just a few months back.



posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 02:47 AM
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originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: DAZ21

Maybe it's just me, but is there anything worse the western world could have done than add more sanctions? I mean there will be nothing that gets the Russian people riled up more and all for going to war with the western world which is economically screwing them over. Seems like a stupid thing our governments have done to me.


But Russia has covertly for years been working to devalue the petro dollar.

If you live by the Sword.....

Korg.


Thats what your press is telling you.

How can Russia "devalue" the petro dollar?

Russia has to accept some currency for products exported. Russia has been accepting dollars and euros (never stopped accepting). So what do you mean?



posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 03:27 AM
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PREDICTION:

America's adversaries have already found ways to defeat USA's F-22 fighters and in general stealth technologies.

The manufacture of devices/equipment that can deal with USA's latest planes has already started. However these devices remain untested in battle.

Unless USA can mount lasers on its fighters (which is not possible with current technology), USA's latest planes will not give it victory.



posted on Sep, 26 2014 @ 03:49 AM
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a reply to: GargIndia




America's adversaries have already found ways to defeat USA's F-22 fighters and in general stealth technologies.


Then why have most countries gone the way of stealth with their fighters?



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