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David Cameron - No to English Parliament

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posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:32 AM
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With the Scottish Referendum just two days away, it seems that the English and the Welsh are getting a tad tired that Westminster is promising the Earth to Scotland if they vote NO on Thursday.

I was until last week hoping that the Scots would vote NO, but after seeing the amount of Anglophobia during this debate, I would be happy to see them go Independent now. As for Cameron, Glegg and Milliband promising to give more money to the Scots per head than any other nation in the Union is a kick in the teeth to the other Nations. The Welsh alone will be £300 million worse off if Scotland votes NO to pay for this extra money to be given to the Scots.

And now Cameron has backed out of his manifesto pledge that said only English MPs can vote on English Matters. Its absurd to think that Welsh, Northern Irish and Scottish MPs can vote on English matters in Westminster;


The Conservative Party stated in its manifesto that a Conservative government would introduce new rules so that legislation referring specifically to England, or England and Wales, could not be enacted without the consent of MPs representing constituencies of those two areas.


The role of MPs from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in the UK Parliament has become controversial now that there are devolved legislatures and administrations in those areas, responsible for subjects such as education, housing and health.

The so-called West Lothian Question asks why MPs from the non-English parts of the UK can vote on all English matters, while English MPs cannot generally vote on Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish domestic matters.

These issues came to the fore with the Government in the previous Parliament sometimes being dependent on the votes of MPs from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to win votes in the House of Commons on legislation affecting England only.

So by promising the Scots more income and power, they are sending the English and the Welsh down the river to pay for it. If that is the case, then I hope the “Yes” vote wins on Thursday. In my mind we are all either one country and get rid of the regional assemblies or we are four individual countries with our own parliaments.

England is the only Country within the UK without its own parliament or regional assembly. It would cost very little money to create as it would be just a case of having any English Legislation being heard by English MPs only in Westminster, a far cry from the massive overspend of Holyrood that was supposed to cost £40 million but ended up costing £400 Million to build.

I for one will now vote for the “English Democrat Party” at the next election as they are the only party calling for an English Parliament.

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posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: flammadraco

They will vote Yes. To their determent.

On the plus side Scotland has one of the worst obesity problems in Europe, which means the English wont have to fund their treatment :-)


Their NHS Funding is going to diminish considerably. www.theguardian.com...



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: Briles1207

Some 40,000 Scottish patients a year travel south of the boarder for NHS treatment, what is going to happen to these patients if the YES vote wins.

Without sounding to harsh, I could not give a damn now after seeing what some Scots really think of us down south, let them get on with it.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: flammadraco

Young David doesn't want t be remembered for breaking the UK up so he will throw anything at em! Plus the Queen is not happy



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: Briles1207

Some 40,000 Scottish patients a year travel south of the boarder for NHS treatment, what is going to happen to these patients if the YES vote wins.

Without sounding to harsh, I could not give a damn now after seeing what some Scots really think of us down south, let them get on with it.


Yeah I'm inclined to agree with you buddy.

Well my guess is they will have their own branch of the NHS up in Scotland (as they do now) So I suppose unless people pay privately, they wont be coming to use our facilities. They want independence then that's what they shall have.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: RayVon
a reply to: flammadraco

Young David doesn't want t be remembered for breaking the UK up so he will throw anything at em! Plus the Queen is not happy


The Queen is German, why should she have a say in anything do to with the UK.

She can kiss my Ass!



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:53 AM
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From what I understand they will still have the same hospitals and infestructure as before and National insurance revenue to fund it. Weather it works or not will up to them.

I imagine there would have to be some cooperation as different hospitals have different specialist units.a reply to: Briles1207



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: RayVon
a reply to: flammadraco

Young David doesn't want t be remembered for breaking the UK up so he will throw anything at em! Plus the Queen is not happy


I think the Welsh should be majorly pived as they will loose £300 million a year to subsidise Scotland if they vote "NO". Lets hope they put "Brave Heart" on tomorrow night before everyone goes to the polls on Thursday in Scotland, that should help.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: Briles1207

originally posted by: RayVon
a reply to: flammadraco

Young David doesn't want t be remembered for breaking the UK up so he will throw anything at em! Plus the Queen is not happy


The Queen is German, why should she have a say in anything do to with the UK.

She can kiss my Ass!


The Queens ancestors are German, not the Queen, she was born in London and makes her English/British. The German line started with George 1st from Hanover.

Wise man once said, if you have no idea what your saying, say nothing. Better to appear stupid than remove all doubt!



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:59 AM
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originally posted by: flammadraco

originally posted by: RayVon
a reply to: flammadraco



Lets hope they put "Brave Heart" on tomorrow night before everyone goes to the polls on Thursday in Scotland, that should help.





posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: Briles1207

originally posted by: RayVon
a reply to: flammadraco

Young David doesn't want t be remembered for breaking the UK up so he will throw anything at em! Plus the Queen is not happy


The Queen is German, why should she have a say in anything do to with the UK.

She can kiss my Ass!


When the boss is unhappy # needs sorting.

Personally I couldn't care less. Plus most Scot's i'v met are arrogant AND i'v met alot.

Rest me case



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: flammadraco

originally posted by: Briles1207

originally posted by: RayVon
a reply to: flammadraco

Young David doesn't want t be remembered for breaking the UK up so he will throw anything at em! Plus the Queen is not happy


The Queen is German, why should she have a say in anything do to with the UK.

She can kiss my Ass!


The Queens ancestors are German, not the Queen, she was born in London and makes her English/British. The German line started with George 1st from Hanover.

Wise man once said, if you have no idea what your saying, say nothing. Better to appear stupid than remove all doubt!


I was Joking. Although I do hate the Royals.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: Briles1207

as you make the claim :

" the queen is german "

it raises an interesting question :

who is " Scottish " ?



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: Briles1207

Actually the Queen is very much of Scottish and English ancestry as well as some from Germany.

en.wikipedia.org...


Elizabeth is directly descended from many British royals: from the House of Stuart, from Mary, Queen of Scots; Robert the Bruce, and earlier Scottish royal houses; from the House of Tudor, and earlier Irish and English royal houses stretching back as far as the 7th century House of Wessex: one member of Wessex being Aethelflaed of Wessex's younger sister, Elfthryth.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: flammadraco

That cannot happen.

Scotland already has more spent on them than the rest of the UK and seeing as they are partly 'devolved' (some might say in many ways given the recent 'enlightenment'), they should be voting on Scottish matters and not English matters.

Cameron should detract any 'sweeteners' mentioned to Scotland as the rest of the UK would see it as further insult.

Throwing dummies out the pram and playing victim is not the behaviour of evolved people, Scotland needs to see it's own faults, the faults of it's own Parliament instead of constantly blaming ''Westminster''.

They also need to realise that much of the UK has suffered similarly since the collapse of the traditional industries such as shipbuilding and mining and the infrastructure moving to road, rail and air.

The more remote areas suffered worse as they are remote. The South, especially London is more prosperous mostly due to it's location and close proximity to Europe, as well as being the capital and the financial hub of the UK.

Scotland has it easier under the UK than if it was going it alone. Most of the money in the UK is in London from foreign investors and Scotland wouldn't be able to afford the NHS as it is, the free prescriptions for all that it currently has and the free education as it has. As well as having to find extra billions and taxes being increased to the hilt on a nation that would lose much of it's tax revenue from the financial sector, much of it's investment, many of it's jobs, many of it's pensions, it's mortgages would rise, it would be seen as a financial risk and unable to borrow, it would have to spend much on defense for applications to alliances, it would be virtually defenceless in a time of high alert, it's trade would diminish, it's trade costs would rise, it's GDP would lower and many other factors that would make it very difficult for Scotland.
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posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth
Sorry but you will have to explain why Scotland with educated workforce, vast natural resources, positive balance of payments and higher GDP per capita is going to suffer this financial armageddon?


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posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: flammadraco

What did you expect? After getting away with murder for decades the government believe they can do what they want to the English people and get away with it too. Let's face it the only thing us English do is complain about our treatment on message boards like BBC and ATS.

Untill the people fight for what they are deserved like the Scottish do, we will be walked over for decades to come. Liblabcon are all in bed together, they all represent the same party, it's really all a front giving false choice.

The only real alternative s are UKIP or the English democrats party like you mentioned. And even UKIP is slowly being infiltrated by conservatives.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: DAZ21
Quite right,,the referendum is happening in Scotland as a majority of people voted fir a party that promised one. If England wants a devolved parlinent vote for party that supports this. Otherwise don't complain when Scotland actually does something about democracy.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: DAZ21

Let's use the same logic you've used in your post. Firstly blame two Scottish Prime Ministers that led to the UK going to war and leading the UK to have the austerity measures now in place in the UK.

Let's assume 50% of the Scottish populace want independence and believe everything that the SNP is spoon feeding you, the amount of anti English sentiment on the BBC and ATS boards is shocking that just 2.5 million people have managed to ostracised over 50 million English people.

If someone was to poll the English again about what we think about this debate, I can assure you that the 30/70 against would probably be 60/40 for, after all the moaning and Anglophobia the YES campaign has made.

I hope you do get the YES vote, good riddance I say.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 11:36 AM
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As a Scotsman living in England for the past 17 years, am almost at the point of being sickened by some comments made here. Borderline rasist. I have lived, and worked among the English all my working life, I have fathered English children, I married an Englishwoman, and STILL the fact I have an Edinburgh accent proves a problem to my once called friends, and neighbours, who I only shared a BBQ with a couple months ago.
Lest ye forget, history between the 2 nations is long and bloody, to the benefit of England. If I had not had my family interests south of the border, the general feeling I get from English people around me is disgusting.

I am not overweight.

I am not an alcoholic

I work my backside off

I care for my family, who are English.

I pay my taxes.

I am Scottish, but cannot vote for my nations future.

If I had no family this side of the border, the way I'm being treated and spoke about, along with other Scots, I would have buggered off back over the border years ago.



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