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Will an independant Scotland be part of NATO, UN treatise. Have a Military?

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posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 09:51 AM
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Scotland also must consider that all governments share legal agreements in selling, sharing and trading of technology. An independent Scotland does not inherit these agreements from the UK. so if what ever job you do for a living involves foreign trade, those trade agreements cease. Your job may also cease. You will lose favorite status to other countries until they are negotiated.

Other countries will seek to fill the gaps by providing those goods and services instead meaning Scotland may never recapture any lost trade due to independence.

Scotland may indeed be successful in the future but there may also be several generations where Scotland spirals into 3rd world country for awhile.
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posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: jrmcleod

Yes exactly ! It should be handled as a divorce . With the majority of wealth accrued by the best
legal minds available.

Or war.


Forget Brave-heart - he was a Yank who turned on his Aussie background !

We have had the republic murmurs here in OZ as well ... It will happen.

edit on 18-9-2014 by Timely because: keyboard is suffering rice issues ... o-0



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: Xeven
Scotland also must consider that all governments share legal agreements in selling, sharing and trading of technology. An independent Scotland does not inherit these agreements from the UK. so if what ever job you do for a living involves foreign trade, those trade agreements cease. Your job may also cease. You will lose favorite status to other countries until they are negotiated.

Other countries will seek to fill the gaps by providing those goods and services instead meaning Scotland may never recapture any lost trade due to independence.

Scotland may indeed be successful in the future but there may also be several generations where Scotland spirals into 3rd world country for awhile.


Come on...Scotland and 3rd World Status. Where do you guys get this from?

Im not going to waste anymore time on this comment



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: Timely

UK has no obligation to give anything at all to people who abandon it. Any sharing at independence would be pure Chairity. Who knows they might do nice things to maintain friendship but it should not be expected.

can Scots who wish to serve the Queen stay part if UK if they want?



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: jrmcleod

originally posted by: flammadraco

originally posted by: jrmcleod

originally posted by: flammadraco
originally posted by: jrmcleod


That's not exactly what International Law is stating;


The paper, written by legal experts at Dundee University, says the two newly separated nations could have a legal dispute of anywhere between three and ten years to decide which gets control of the seas off the east coast.

It also warns that the International Court of Justice would “likely” favour a more northerly line, which could push the reserves in the Fulmar oil field, 300 kilometres off the Fife coast, into English waters.



www.scotsman.com...


Look, if you are going to quote something, please don't quote a newspaper that has already come out and voiced it stands with the "No Campaign".

I have taken the time out to prove to you through an very detailed academic study what would happen...and what was agreed by London the day before the Scottish Parliament came into existence.

Academic Review


My god, I used the Scotsman as I thought it would have been a YES, I don't delve into the political alliances the media has for every story I use as a source, would an American source be more to your liking?


Every paper in Scotland barr 1 is pro-union as are all the TV broadcasters. None support the Yes side because they are all owned by those that stand to lose the most in the event of a yes.

Nearly every story published online by these papers and broadcasters paints the yes campaign negatively.

Even Andy Murray voting Yes has sparked a lot of hate from the No camp including comments such as

"i wish you had died in Dunblane"...

I mean, come on!!!


Perhaps Andy Murray should have said nothing, I mean come on he kept his mouth shut right up till the day of the vote and a vote he can not even make as he lives in Surrey. Its not the first time he p*****ed off the English. If he thinks he got booed last time he f****d up, then wait until he's in Wimbledon again next year. I do believe he will end up the most hated sportsman in the UK no matter what way the vote goes. He's a business man and has a hotel in Scotland, well I guess he doesn't mind he just alienated 90% of his customer base. I work for businesses in Scotland that has two premises in Glasgow and Fife and would not dream of letting my customers know by true feelings are during this debate as I would end up upsetting 50% of my patrons.

The comments he has received are out of order I agree, but when you are such a public figure then perhaps one should keep his opinion to himself. He will end up regretting his Tweet at 1am this morning and Im pretty sure he was probably on the old gargle when he made it.

Back to the media, I was not aware that all MSM was pro union, but that's not to say all news sources have to be written off as propaganda.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: jrmcleod
You have to have money and trade to maintain society. Where will it come from?



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: Timely

A fine idea!

Of course negotiations will cover the age of the scotch vs. the octane level of the gas....


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posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: flammadraco

So what about Richard Branson and the many many others who say they are No voters? Are they entitled to say their opinions in advance without slander but a yes voter isn't?

This is precisely whats wrong with it all



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:03 AM
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a reply to: Xeven

Can Ukrainian's choose ?

I know - extreme ...






posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

8yr gets you 95 octane

12yr gets you 98.

100 octane contains methanol ...

You need bourbon - or really good beer for that !





posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: Xeven
a reply to: jrmcleod
You have to have money and trade to maintain society. Where will it come from?


The same place it does today. Simple Terms

All of Scotland's GDP goes to Westminster. Westminster writes a slightly smaller cheque back to Scotland for us to pay our own public services. Every year that drops a little (due to austerity).

The ONLY difference would be that the GDP stops going to Westminster and goes to the Scottish Parliment and the Cheques come from the Scottish Parliament.

We already pay our own!



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: Xeven
a reply to: jrmcleod
You have to have money and trade to maintain society. Where will it come from?

Good Point..I'm Mean we dont pay taxes or have any industry whatsoever or anything up here... Hmmmm



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: jrmcleod

But Richard Branson has never said he would support any team playing against Scotland, as Murray did in 2006 against the English. He said after the event it was a joke and he will probably say someone else tweeted the comments from 1am this morning when he realises that he has just managed to hit the final nail into his coffin when it comes to how the English will now perceive him. And to add insult to injury, he lives in England in Surrey in his multi million pound mansion but does not want a British Union? I for one hope if you guys vote YES that Murray votes with his feet and comes on up there leaving us Brits alone.

Mark my words, he will be booed by the British Supporters at every tennis match he now plays in for the rest of his career. Folk in Scotland always said the English say he's British if he wins or Scottish when he looses, but this was not the case after 2006, a lot of folk cannot stand him down here. I've never liked the man after 2006 and I doubt you would like an English Sportsman living in Scotland slagging you guys off.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:22 AM
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What is the extent of your manufacturing base ! How do global exports factor into Scottish gdp ?

Sorry - you lads have only just pulled he spotlight off Billy Connolly !!

What is the pay-off? ( ignorance worn on sleeve ! )




posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: jrmcleod

But Richard Branson has never said he would support any team playing against Scotland, as Murray did in 2006 against the English. He said after the event it was a joke and he will probably say someone else tweeted the comments from 1am this morning when he realises that he has just managed to hit the final nail into his coffin when it comes to how the English will now perceive him. And to add insult to injury, he lives in England in Surrey in his multi million pound mansion but does not want a British Union? I for one hope if you guys vote YES that Murray votes with his feet and comes on up there leaving us Brits alone.

Mark my words, he will be booed by the British Supporters at every tennis match he now plays in for the rest of his career. Folk in Scotland always said the English say he's British if he wins or Scottish when he looses, but this was not the case after 2006, a lot of folk cannot stand him down here. I've never liked the man after 2006 and I doubt you would like an English Sportsman living in Scotland slagging you guys off.


Not sure why you think that. I'm not his biggest fan but having said that he has really changed his game recently and that should be respected. If he wants to make his views known that is his opinion, but the fact that his main base is in England does show him as being somewhat two faced. Regardless of the outcome of the vote, I wouldn't boo him for that and people on whatever social media that have sent abusive messages............ well, if you are in the public eye and join Fbook or Twitter you should expect to receive abuse, regardless of your politics.

I'm not sure how many 'famous' people outside the political spectrum who have the right to vote have declared they have voted against independence, but I'm fairly sure that any who have will have received at least the same amount of abuse.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: uncommitted

That's your opinion and I have mine and you and I both know he will get a lot of flack for this. If he had never said anything in 2006 against the English then your comments would be valid but the fact of the matter is the rhetoric in the past and now this will not be easily forgotten despite how good he is at the game. In the event of a YES vote, I hope he starts playing for Scotland rather than the UK.

That being said, I do not agree with the comments he had made against him such as wishing he was dead, as that is absurd but if this is what the vocal English are saying, imagine what the silent ones are thinking. He's blown it down here.

EDIT - Look how the YES campaign turned on J. K. Rowling when she supported the UNION, its a two way street
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posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: jrmcleod

But Richard Branson has never said he would support any team playing against Scotland

I'm a Welshman living in England for many years and I support Wales over any other nation. All my mates understand where I'm coming from, I support England if they are playing anyone else except Wales, it is sport.

I'm always amazed when watching 6 Nations rugby at the pub though and Scottish blokes are supporting France over England, it's happened loads of times, and I ask why the # did you choose to move here like I did then, should've gone to France if you love them so much.
...yes, it has got heated at times.

*Edit*
...and yes, I love the banter when I'm the sole Welsh bloke in the pub watching us play England - even when losing.
That is the beauty of living in a union of nations, yes we have our own competing interests, but we work together when we have to.
Why the # would I support France when they are playing any home nation?! But to be fair, I'll still support an independent Scotland playing France in any sport lol, it's France after all.
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posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Sorry to say, Ive lived in Dublin, Cardiff and Scotland and they all seem to have the same mindset to support anyone playing against England. I was in Scotland during a World cup and shops were selling T'Shirts "I support anyone playing against England". I saw a shop with a poster saying "50% off everything in the shop on Monday if England Loose".

And yet in England we support all other UK nations in sports (as long as England is not playing), so why all this hatred towards the English?

Out of every country I have lived in i would say the Irish would be the only ones that would have a valid cripe against the English, but why the Scots? They asked to join the union, we never invaded them.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: flammadraco

Appreciated. He made it clear he wouldn't want England to win in a football championship, penis envy came to my mind, personally I would cheer Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland on every time, but at least he was honest.

For the JK Rowling thing, I totally agree, just goes to show that the brain dead exist on both sides of every argument.



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: grainofsand

Sorry to say, Ive lived in Dublin, Cardiff and Scotland and they all seem to have the same mindset to support anyone playing against England. I was in Scotland during a World cup and shops were selling T'Shirts "I support anyone playing against England". I saw a shop with a poster saying "50% off everything in the shop on Monday if England Loose".

And yet in England we support all other UK nations in sports (as long as England is not playing), so why all this hatred towards the English?

Out of every country I have lived in i would say the Irish would be the only ones that would have a valid cripe against the English, but why the Scots? They asked to join the union, we never invaded them.


Because it sells merchandise!!! It's as simple as that - and mainly to Scottish people who no longer live in Scotland because anyone who does would consider it naff to the nth degree. Having said that, it is of course casual racism, but it seems to be allowed because it's 'only banter'




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