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Will an independant Scotland be part of NATO, UN treatise. Have a Military?

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posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: uncommitted
Will have to respectfully disagree. I think if you look at the glee in many posts as they point to what the think will be Scotland's economic situation you will realise its not done in the spirit of friendly debate. The too poor, too wee, too stupid is a common theme in many posts.
What too many fail to realise us its not about England its about Scotland's future.



Then we will have to respectfully disagree. I honestly haven't seen that. In a recent thread around if UK media was biased in the referendum (surely a debate for all?) I saw some serious anti English abuse that had nothing to do with the actual OP. As someone living in England I will challenge some assertions made if I believe they are factually incorrect and if I can be bothered, but I honestly think the majority of people living elsewhere in the UK don't hold the point of view you suggest they do, but at the same time I'm sure not all 'Yes' voters in Scotland see this as some kind of battle to be won against the English............ those that do see it as that seem to be over represented in ATS at the moment (see post below yours I am replying to).

Whatever happens, I hope by the end of Friday we are all happy with our destiny, whatever the outcome of the vote is.




posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
One thing is for sure, If we vote No tomorrow Westminster will give us a bigger kicking than Thatcher ever did.
As the Wheels are already in motion there is nothing else left to do other than fight back...What's to lose...Vote Yes


That would be illegal and would go down a treat in International Courts. We don't live in a pre-school playground.

I give up...Seriously.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: flammadraco
I think you should look again at some if the posts they were in response to.
Also wtf gas what team he supports git to do with it, next you'll be wondering what school he went to.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: angryhulk

You need to get educated on the difference between legal and Lawful.
Legal is a joke. Lawful is honourable.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: uncommitted
Yes 100% sure. The issue is with nhs funding which Westminster can control.
Also isn't freehold an English legal term not Scots? Long tine since studied any property law so happy to be corrected.



Freehold means - who owns the keys to the property, who is the landlord? Apologies, I didn't think freehold was an English term, but fairly sure who owns the property is universal. My understanding was that it would belong to the NHS which is a UK body, but I ask the question with respect and am only happy to understand the actual position.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: uncommitted
The Scottish nhs is a separate organisation from the english/welsh one.
It always has been and is nothing to do with devolution.



If that was true then explain why this would be the case?

Scottish independence: NHS in Scotland 'faces £400m funding gap'




Korg.


with all the screw up's Westminster are having with failed contracts .

The Fujitsu Connecting for Health contract was part of the £12bn NHS national programme for IT, large parts of which have had to be abandoned at a cost estimated by the National Audit Office to be £2.7bn.
On 22 July 2010 the Government confirmed that it had
terminated the £750 million contract with its main private contractor that cost the whole 750 by the time court costs are added on

I would not trust them to run a sweet shop would you



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:57 PM
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Adding these reports to the thread.

www.independent.co.uk... 38.html


Meanwhile, a series of major figures in US politics and economics warned Scots against a Yes vote. Alan Greenspan, former US Federal Reserve chairman, said the economic consequences would be “surprisingly negative for Scotland, more so than the Nationalist party is in any way communicating”.

He said their forecasts were “so implausible they really should be dismissed out of hand” and declared there was no way the Bank of England would agree to remain the lender of last resort to an independent Scotland.


www.telegraph.co.uk... r-independence-concerns.html


The Scottish First Minister attempted to force the principal of St Andrews University to criticise the Government and tone down warnings she made about the adverse impact of Scottish independence.
Alex Salmond telephoned Prof Louise Richardson demanding she clarify remarks she made about the consequences of leaving the UK in a conversation described as “loud and heated”.
Emails obtained by The Telegraph also show that Mr Salmond’s office attempted to have Prof Richardson release a statement praising the Scottish government and criticising Westminster over higher education policy.
The revelation that he attempted to quieten the leader of one of Scotland’s most revered institutions, where Mr Salmond studied economics and medieval history, is the most high-profile example yet of his questionable campaign tactics which critics say amount to bullying.


www.telegraph.co.uk... ml


Business leaders and campaigners are being intimidated because of their pro-Union views, the Telegraph can disclose.
Dozens of Scottish businesses have been subjected to bullying, threats and abuse after publicly questioning independence.
Several company directors said that they had received messages threatening to attack their families or boycott their business.
Another businessman who signed the letter told how a senior director at his company received “very vicious emails” while another said he had been called a “f***ing English b*****d” and told to “get back to England”.


www.telegraph.co.uk...


The businessman who helped organise an outpouring of warnings from supermarkets, oil firms banks and major retailers about Scottish independence has poured scorn on Alex Salmond's claims they are part of a Downing Street "grand conspiracy".
Sir Ian Cheshire, chief executive of the group behind DIY chains B&Q and Screwfix, told the Telegraph the separatists’ claims were a “classic distraction technique” before concluding: “There’s no conspiracy – it’s called agreement.”
He said the interventions by major employers from BP to Standard Life to John Lewis and Asda were not a “Number 10 drafting exercise” or an attempt to scare voters but were instead intended to point out the “sad reality” there would be extra costs that would be passed onto customers.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: uncommitted
I believe any property owned is nhs Scotland anything not would be covered by the normal distribution of assets and debt.
Of coyrse due to the joys of pfi a chunk is probably private owned



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 01:00 PM
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originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: angryhulk

You need to get educated on the difference between legal and Lawful.
Legal is a joke. Lawful is honourable.


So you think that England is going to blackmail/punish the Scottish public for a referedum in which around half of the country voted no.

You need to get educated.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 01:02 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Actually it does. I'm sure you're probably tired of hearing now but when I lived in Coatbridge it is predominantly Catholic and Celtic supporters.

These folk hold more allegiance to the Republic of Ireland than Scotland. Most are very proud of their Irish ancestry despite never visiting Ireland. They fly Irish flags and have a massive St Patricks Day parade. As I've said I talk from experience, no media propaganda used.

I cannot speak for any other area in Scotland but this is most defiantly the case in Coatbridge. I lived there for 8 years, and learned a lot.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: angryhulk
Lawful is honourable.


This quote is still bugging me. Have you just finished watching the last samurai?



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: flammadraco

Yeah, the Celtic fans are an interesting bunch! Very vocal, much like the yes campaign.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: angryhulk

You need to get educated on the difference between legal and Lawful.
Legal is a joke. Lawful is honourable.


So you think that England is going to blackmail/punish the Scottish public for a referedum in which around half of the country voted no.

You need to get educated.

well we voted yes and lost in 79 and look what Thatcher did.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: ScepticScot

Actually it does. I'm sure you're probably tired of hearing now but when I lived in Coatbridge it is predominantly Catholic and Celtic supporters.

These folk hold more allegiance to the Republic of Ireland than Scotland. Most are very proud of their Irish ancestry despite never visiting Ireland. They fly Irish flags and have a massive St Patricks Day parade. As I've said I talk from experience, no media propaganda used.

I cannot speak for any other area in Scotland but this is most defiantly the case in Coatbridge. I lived there for 8 years, and learned a lot.

Yeah, Ever Lived in Larkhall....??



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: flammadraco

I grew up in Ayrshire on the Central West Coast and did area management for a company for 6 months at 18 covering Central Scotland, with a team from all around, it meant travelling the area daily. All of Central Belt Scotland with the exception of the better parts of Edinburgh (which could be confused with being English), are like that.

It was amongst the worst aspects I recall from my childhood there, even in the small town where I grew up people tried defining people by their religion or alliance to either of the major Glasgow football teams.

It is despicable, that and the hatred for England. Since moving more than 20 years ago I have been called English bitch and all sorts when visiting. Not all are like it but some are.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: uncommitted
Yes 100% sure. The issue is with nhs funding which Westminster can control.
Also isn't freehold an English legal term not Scots? Long tine since studied any property law so happy to be corrected.



Ok, thank you for your respect in your answers, trust me, that isn't always the case on here with a subject so close to peoples hearts, but another question - to you directly.

Scotland has decided out of its health budget to provide free prescriptions - presumably out of the Westminster based budget. Free prescriptions are great and a real socialist dream, if the country can afford them. Scotland chose to do so, which may have led to debt elsewhere in their health budget. What's your opinion, better to keep prescriptions free for all and suffer elsewhere or not? I don't think this is a Scotland versus Westminster question, it's one of how Scotland (SNP) chooses to spend the money it has.

If my facts are wrong and can be shown to be so I am more than happy to be corrected.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: ScepticScot

Actually it does. I'm sure you're probably tired of hearing now but when I lived in Coatbridge it is predominantly Catholic and Celtic supporters.

These folk hold more allegiance to the Republic of Ireland than Scotland. Most are very proud of their Irish ancestry despite never visiting Ireland. They fly Irish flags and have a massive St Patricks Day parade. As I've said I talk from experience, no media propaganda used.

I cannot speak for any other area in Scotland but this is most defiantly the case in Coatbridge. I lived there for 8 years, and learned a lot.

Yeah, Ever Lived in Larkhall....??


I know it well.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: flammadraco

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: ScepticScot

Actually it does. I'm sure you're probably tired of hearing now but when I lived in Coatbridge it is predominantly Catholic and Celtic supporters.

These folk hold more allegiance to the Republic of Ireland than Scotland. Most are very proud of their Irish ancestry despite never visiting Ireland. They fly Irish flags and have a massive St Patricks Day parade. As I've said I talk from experience, no media propaganda used.

I cannot speak for any other area in Scotland but this is most defiantly the case in Coatbridge. I lived there for 8 years, and learned a lot.

Yeah, Ever Lived in Larkhall....??




I know it well.


Care to down talk larkhall like you have Coatbridge....Worked in Coatbridge and have many friends their...All Rangers supporters ...

in fact dont bother...serious thread drift into another thorny issue.

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posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: uncommitted
I think free prescriptions are hugely important. Firstly because they are an investment in good health. Its better for someone to be treated early rather than wait till the condition requires a hospital visit.
Secondly morally I happen to believe health care should be free.
Thirdly in England the system of excemptions is so complicated it reduces any financial benefit if charging to close to zero.
Agree that respect amongst posters is sometimes sadly lacking and appreciate your comment..



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Korg Trinity that article is nothing to do with nhs Scotland being separate from nhs England and wales???



Ermm.... did you read it?

Korg.



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