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Will an independant Scotland be part of NATO, UN treatise. Have a Military?

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posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:06 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Korg Trinity
You post is so full of errors its hard to know where to start.
Lets start with the fact that we already have our own nhs.
Also no one who actually knows anything about the issue thinks Scotland cant use sterling the only issue if there is a currency union.
Also the national debt is a hell of a lot more than 100 billion.
I don't think you post actually has a single fact right.



Sorry, I have to chime in with one comment, you don't have 'your own' NHS, the financing of the UK NHS in Scotland lies with Holyrood, but it is not Scotlands National Health Service - you just decide where to spend the money (or not, as it appears to be the case). I'm not saying that as a pro or anti comment, just a factual one.




posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol
Haha actually did laugh out loud then. No emotional pain with me, just looking forward to either debating a no vote with you, or debating how I was right that the continuing UK government will screw you over ruthlessly in negotiations.

...you Scots members appear drawn to invent emotions onto other posters in these threads...I find it amusing, thanks for the continuing laughs regardless of the result tomorrow



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: ScepticScot
I guarantee it will be 'gloves off' after a yes vote and the 'divorce lawyers' show their teeth. The UK government will be ruthless in all negotiations, absolutely ruthless, along with the UK media to convince the masses.

...and yes, I will enjoy the debate with some of the more smug and self-assured yes voters here on ATS when Scotland gets proper screwed in the deals later. I enjoy all debate, especially when I can say 'I told you so' to previous gloating Scots members 'tick-tocking' about how the UK is losing the oil. We'll see I guess.



I predict an attempt of a mass movement of people across the boarder into England in the event of a Yes Verdict. people will be putting their properties up for sale in their droves.... only there won't be anyone to buy them......

This will cause house prices to tumble in the desperate attempt to leave Scotland prior to the cut off.

As a result it will fuel the housing market in England which will see a healthy equity increase over the next 3-5 years.

Korg.

It's the Man of Distinction..How you doing..Just one major flaw in your thesis..If no-one can buy the houses, who are they going to sell them to..? Maybe this mass movement of people you talk about will just move into their second homes they have in England until they find a Buyer....I mean, i've lost count of the amount of people up here who have a Holiday home tucked away for a rainy day.
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posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:13 PM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

Perhaps they'd have to sell them at a reasonable price to locals. That would be a change.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: uncommitted
The Scottish nhs is a separate organisation from the english/welsh one.
It always has been and is nothing to do with devolution.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol
Yep and what England's economy needs is another housing bubble.......



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: grainofsand
Have seen a hundred times more anti Scots sentiments than anti English or uk.
The plan b thread was a obvious dig at the constant no plan b for currency meme from the no campaign.
We will see in the months to come weather the rUK team try and implode both countries economies or if they realise it is about mutual benefit and cooperation.




Sorry, I have to really disagree. Yes, I live in England, yes, I was born in England but I will wish Scotland well whatever the outcome. I have yet to see as many anti Scottish sentiments as you say, I have seen several rebuttals of the claims the SNP make which are met by some posters with comments that are just basically anti English. There is a difference, depends on your point of view I suppose.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: Korg Trinity
Watching Scotland think they can stand on their own two feet is like watching a terrible singer think they are great on x-factor that refuses to listen to reason!
Korg.


I'm voting no, because I believe in the United Kingdom. Unfortunately I will have to accept people like you exist. The irony is, you don't seem to realise your poking jibes at a part of your own country.

Don't you have any family and friends in Scotland? Is this how you speak to them? Or are you just an ass all the time?



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: ScepticScot
I guarantee it will be 'gloves off' after a yes vote and the 'divorce lawyers' show their teeth. The UK government will be ruthless in all negotiations, absolutely ruthless, along with the UK media to convince the masses.

...and yes, I will enjoy the debate with some of the more smug and self-assured yes voters here on ATS when Scotland gets proper screwed in the deals later. I enjoy all debate, especially when I can say 'I told you so' to previous gloating Scots members 'tick-tocking' about how the UK is losing the oil. We'll see I guess.



I predict an attempt of a mass movement of people across the boarder into England in the event of a Yes Verdict. people will be putting their properties up for sale in their droves.... only there won't be anyone to buy them......

This will cause house prices to tumble in the desperate attempt to leave Scotland prior to the cut off.

As a result it will fuel the housing market in England which will see a healthy equity increase over the next 3-5 years.

Korg.

It's the Man of Distinction..How you doing..Just one major flaw in your thesis..If no-one can buy the houses, who are they going to sell them to..? Maybe this mass movement of people you talk about will just move into their second homes they have in England until they find a Buyer....I mean, i've lost count of the amount of people up here who have a Holiday home tucked away for a rainy day.


You don't own your own house or had to get a mortgage have you?

For if you had, you would know that not all house sales rely on a chain!

I'm still awaiting your response THIS POST

Korg.


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posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: Korg Trinity
Watching Scotland think they can stand on their own two feet is like watching a terrible singer think they are great on x-factor that refuses to listen to reason!
Korg.


I'm voting no, because I believe in the United Kingdom. Unfortunately I will have to accept people like you exist. The irony is, you don't seem to realise your poking jibes at a part of your own country.

Don't you have any family and friends in Scotland? Is this how you speak to them? Or are you just an ass all the time?


Not at all.. READ MY OTHER POSTS!!!


Korg.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: uncommitted
The Scottish nhs is a separate organisation from the english/welsh one.
It always has been and is nothing to do with devolution.



Are you 100% sure, really? Then why is Salmond blaming Westminster for the fact in Scotland it appears to be in a financial mess if that is the case? Just asking, the two points seem to be opposing each other - is Salmond wrong then and it's all the fault of the SNP? Curious, that's all.

Does that also mean that Scottish Government holds the freehold for all NHS property in Scotland? Again, just curious.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: uncommitted
The Scottish nhs is a separate organisation from the english/welsh one.
It always has been and is nothing to do with devolution.



If that was true then explain why this would be the case?

Scottish independence: NHS in Scotland 'faces £400m funding gap'

Korg.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: uncommitted
Will have to respectfully disagree. I think if you look at the glee in many posts as they point to what the think will be Scotland's economic situation you will realise its not done in the spirit of friendly debate. The too poor, too wee, too stupid is a common theme in many posts.
What too many fail to realise us its not about England its about Scotland's future.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:37 PM
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One thing is for sure, If we vote No tomorrow Westminster will give us a bigger kicking than Thatcher ever did.
As the Wheels are already in motion there is nothing else left to do other than fight back...What's to lose...Vote Yes
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posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: uncommitted
Yes 100% sure. The issue is with nhs funding which Westminster can control.
Also isn't freehold an English legal term not Scots? Long tine since studied any property law so happy to be corrected.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: Korg Trinity that article is nothing to do with nhs Scotland being separate from nhs England and wales???



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: Korg Trinity
Watching Scotland think they can stand on their own two feet is like watching a terrible singer think they are great on x-factor that refuses to listen to reason!
Korg.


I'm voting no, because I believe in the United Kingdom. Unfortunately I will have to accept people like you exist. The irony is, you don't seem to realise your poking jibes at a part of your own country.

Don't you have any family and friends in Scotland? Is this how you speak to them? Or are you just an ass all the time?


Not at all.. READ MY OTHER POSTS!!!


Korg.


I just did, I'm playing catch up. I see Soloprotocol is still using his vocal clock to remind people that time is running out.

Sigh...

I look forward to the final live debate tonight. Have you noticed to date the tv debates have consisted of 3 very intelligent 'Better Togethers' and on the 'Yes' side an actress, a bus driver and Sturgeon. Not doing themselves any favours. God knows if that's still the format tonight, but I hope so.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:47 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
One thing is for sure, If we vote No tomorrow Westminster will give us a bigger kicking than Thatcher ever did.
As the Wheels are already in motion there is nothing else left to do other than fight back...What's to lose...Vote Yes


That would be illegal and would go down a treat in International Courts. We don't live in a pre-school playground.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: angryhulk
Maybe you could tell grain that about a yes vote.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: grainofsand
What a bitter bitter post. Has the dog just died or the wife been shagging the postman?my reasons for voting yes are based on the need for democratic change however hate filled posts like that make me realise it is the right emotional decision as well.
Just remember if uk takes all the goodies it also takes all the debt.



I think you should look at your fellow countrymen for their bitterness towards the English. Remember 70% of the English said they wanted the Scots to remain in the UK, however that was a poll from two weeks ago, I very much doubt that is the same today.

We have a member on this thread and other threads saying:

* Westminster will set off a dirty bomb in Scotland

* The English treated the Scots as their bitch

* Was going to War with the English and was personally going to stand at the border with England.

When you see all this rhetoric and what a "minority" of the YES camp have been doing to those in Scotland with a different view then you must understand the English are getting really pived off.

I've lived in Scotland and I would not mind betting that the member I refer to is a Celtic Supporter. I say this as I've seen some real bad Anti English people in Scotland and they have always been Celtic supporters. For the record I've lots of Scottish friends who support Celtic but I'm going with first hand experience.

If I'm wrong in my assumption then "Bad Me" but I doubt it.



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