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What if all religions were debunked...?

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posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 05:47 AM
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a reply to: Rodinus

I feel that religion always scoops up the 'tell me what to do brigade' who refuse or unable to think for themselves' and I do believe we would need a huge army of therapists to take these people on.

With or without God - who seems very lazy in his answer to most people's prayers, man is good by nature and I don't think for one minute we need men in frocks and weird beards to be telling us how to live - we all know already. We also have civilisation which gives us fair laws (in the main) on how to live peacdefully with our neighbours.

What role religion has today could be taken away simply because the church has always placed itself between God and the people in order to qualify its position of power and existence. I think people need to recognise this and move past the church/religion in any case. It has already proved itself to be corrupt and untrustworthy for many children.




posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 05:57 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


What if all religions were debunked...?

Large chunks of the bible and the qu'ran and other 'holy' texts have already been debunked but people still follow them anyways. Organized religions use guilt to keep believers even though the believers don't recognize that high pressure guilt is being used upon them. They can't see it. An open mind and education are the keys to finding truth. IMHO - Always look for truth no matter where it may lead ... and that goes for non-believers as well. If the facts point to a God or a spirit world ... accept the truth of it.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



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posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 06:07 AM
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a reply to: Rodinus

Cognitive dissonance studies proves it. When Prophecy Fails proved it. Its neither a copy/paste or an opinion, its a fact based on psychological studies.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 06:12 AM
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a reply to: Rodinus

God could tell them himself that he doesn't exist and they would argue the toss im afraid. ;-) (get your head round that one)

Some people have nothing but religion, take that away and they cease to exist.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 06:36 AM
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originally posted by: booyakasha
They have. Here is a guy named Santos Bonnacci who basically proves that all the ancient holy books come from the stars and planets and the effect they have on the Earth, and human consciousness cycles.

The Jesus portrayed in the bible is no more than a symbol for the Sun. His 12 disciples are the 12 constellations in the sky. The four books of the new testament are symbols for the four seasons of the earth. And the connections he makes are endless. It is a study called astro theology.

The problem is people are too afraid to confront there own beliefs and won't even consider reading something that they are told is "from the devil"



That guy also thought Nibiru was coming.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 06:44 AM
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a reply to: Rodinus

Short of the God/Gods in question turning with an immediate apology and/or reason for their absence I imagine any and all notions us humans have regarding our various interpretation of religion are already disproven and debunked considering the lack of evidence to support their existence.

That being said i'm not suggesting that there is no God or intelligent design at play pertaining to our universe, just that humanity's interpretation of such aka organized religion in general is full of crap.


It's all about control if you ask me, essentially do this, or do that, or i will spank you in the next life!

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posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 06:52 AM
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There would still be plenty of fools and idiots that would believe in them ..



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 07:08 AM
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This is all fascinating stuff!

People are always particularly eager to pull strips from a Christians beliefs. I am in no way religious....However I am torn, when it comes to hoping I am wrong and being proven to be right.

Humanity needs religion. Imagine the opposite , that god is found to be everything the bible says it is. If for example, someone were planning a crime, would they be afraid of a couple of years in prison or in fact not being accepted in heaven with the promise of eternal peace and being reunited with family members at the pearly gates etc? I feel the latter would be a lot more worrying for many. Would this not steer people in the right direction?

Another important factor I think would be why a good and compassionate being would allow the vast amounts of children(and of course adults) to die or suffer unspeakable acts and not intervene? Why would this entity allow us to destroy our resources and pollute and make a mockery of his creation?

Again on the other hand, If god was proven to be a figment of somebodies imagination, would these religious extremists simply bury the hatchet? I think if anything, it would have the potential to encourage more hate crimes. Or maybe humanity would just find an alternative fixation. Having said that, I would hope that for your average man (or woman) in society would actually feel less of the current social/religious/cultural divides. That we are all, in fact, groups of people who are the same, with a new and also better sense of equality and diversity, irrelevant of each others religious beliefs (or former beliefs) or social standing. A chance for humanity to reinvent itself...



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 07:16 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Obviously the question is hypothetical, of course we (in my opinion) will never find a way to convince all in question that religion is a farce. Some people are just too far gone. However, does it not serve its purpose? Do we not need control to an extent? You must remember, that a good portion of religious folk are good people, they don't break laws or judge and I personally find these people to be very caring and compassionate and upstanding members of the community.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:11 AM
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Merely asking the question, and reading some of the responses in this thread should tell you what you need to know, OP. This is exactly why "proof" will never be forthcoming in an overt way. Too many wouldn't be able to handle the truth. However, the evidence is out there right now. You just have to be willing to look for it, and do the research.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:19 AM
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a reply to: Rodinus

In essence they are all the same,
how can you debunk Buddah's Nobel Path?
How can you debunk the light, the Holy Spirit?
How can you debunk devine law?

Doesn't your heart, your mind and soul all suggest a devine law? To love one another?

Is there a devine law, a Holy Spirit, a light, or not?
I know their is because I reason with myself and I see two forces at work. One force draws me to what is pleasing to my being, The Holy Spirit. One force draws me towards worldly pleasure, the flesh?

Why do freewill beings need devine law? The devine law is to prevent us from hurting each other.

The prophets taught the philosophy of the light within. How can you debunk the light?



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: Rodinus
How would you react according to your education and personal beliefs?


I wouldn't act any differently... as I already believe that man-made religion is totally false.

I think many religious believers would suspect a "liberal plot" to destroy religion or that it was evil spirits, Satan or demons or something and not change their positions at all... except to be more forceful, perhaps...



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: demondonna
Whenever people use the illogical argument "God must not exist because people suffer" I always respond "humans must not exist because people suffer"...

I mean we have more than enough ability and resources to feed and house everyone on earth, yet we dont. Greed is rampant.

If god exists it would probably be more like a parent to a child - Parents dont protect their children from the evils of the universe their whole lives! They're free to make their own (horrible) decisions



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: demondonna

Belief in something IMHO is never a farce, but belief in any of the organized religions, which since their inception have been coerced and perverted by Men of power with there own self serving agendas is shall we say rather misplaced. As to there religious ideologies serving a purpose? Said purposes are simply control constructs designed to keep in place the status quo while retarding the knowledge and the ability to think for ourself.

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posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 10:14 AM
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a reply to: Rodinus




HOWEVER : JUST IMAGINE... that one day someone opens up a secret vault (anywhere in the world) and comes across 500 percent or even more PROOF and I mean REAL PROOF in whatever form it may be (please don't play with words or twist my post around to suit your needs and beliefs) that everything that was ever written in the bible/equivalent) or any other type of religious manuscript was TOTALLY FALSE...


Look at what you wrote. You could shorten this post to say, "If Christianity(or your adhering religion) were proven false would you still be a Christian?" The answer should obviously be no. If we are playing the hypothetical game, what person would ignore truth? I would also like to turn your question on you, if Christianity were proven true would you accept Jesus and God as your Lord and Savior or would you still deny them?



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 10:28 AM
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originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
... if Christianity were proven true would you accept Jesus and God as your Lord and Savior or would you still deny them?


The word "Christianity" means SO many things to so many people. I'd have to get a solid definition of the word first. The bible was written by man and has been so twisted and misrepresented over the years, I wouldn't trust it. But, as you say, truth is truth. If something is proven truth, I would accept it as truth.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 10:29 AM
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originally posted by: Ridhya
a reply to: Rodinus

Cognitive dissonance studies proves it. When Prophecy Fails proved it. Its neither a copy/paste or an opinion, its a fact based on psychological studies.


Yep. In the 1960s - 70', L Ron Hubbard told his followers that the Earth could only sustain life until the year 2000, after that, all life goes extinct. Since science has debunked that theory, Scientologists insist that it is because of their (psychic) work, to "clear the planet ", that it hasn't happened yet, but they need a lot of money to continue to keep the world safe for us, in spite of us WOGs and SPs!

LOL



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: Rodinus




HOWEVER : JUST IMAGINE... that one day someone opens up a secret vault (anywhere in the world) and comes across 500 percent or even more PROOF and I mean REAL PROOF in whatever form it may be (please don't play with words or twist my post around to suit your needs and beliefs) that everything that was ever written in the bible/equivalent) or any other type of religious manuscript was TOTALLY FALSE...


Look at what you wrote. You could shorten this post to say, "If Christianity(or your adhering religion) were proven false would you still be a Christian?" The answer should obviously be no. If we are playing the hypothetical game, what person would ignore truth? I would also like to turn your question on you, if Christianity were proven true would you accept Jesus and God as your Lord and Savior or would you still deny them?


he actually makes a point of saying EVERY religion. not one specifically, but all of them.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 10:43 AM
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originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: Rodinus




HOWEVER : JUST IMAGINE... that one day someone opens up a secret vault (anywhere in the world) and comes across 500 percent or even more PROOF and I mean REAL PROOF in whatever form it may be (please don't play with words or twist my post around to suit your needs and beliefs) that everything that was ever written in the bible/equivalent) or any other type of religious manuscript was TOTALLY FALSE...


Look at what you wrote. You could shorten this post to say, "If Christianity(or your adhering religion) were proven false would you still be a Christian?" The answer should obviously be no. If we are playing the hypothetical game, what person would ignore truth? I would also like to turn your question on you, if Christianity were proven true would you accept Jesus and God as your Lord and Savior or would you still deny them?


No... YOU look at what I wrote, I specifically mentioned ANY faith and asked a plain question.

I deliberately did not use the word Christian as I have respect for all faiths.

To answer your question : No, for my own personal reasons that I do not want to splash out all over this site.

Kindest respects

Rodinus



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: Rodinus

In my opinion humanity stands a far greater chance of proving the existence of God and/or intelligent design by utilising our understanding of the language of mathematics rather than any organised religion has of getting it correct. Considering its the only true universal language and is based on logic rather than agenda driven paranoid delusional whims aka Man's interpretation and basic need to subjugate the week by any means necessary I think our answers my reside there, rather than with our own preconceived notions.

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