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originally posted by: LightSource
So if everything in the universe is just 1 conscious then we are insane by our own definition. What happens when you put just 1 person in a room by themselves for a very long time? They start talking to themselves and having conversations. What if they were left alone for an infinite amount of time they would forget who that 1 person was and would become multiple "people" or "personalities" that were created during that time.
originally posted by: LightSource
If our universe has 1 conscious then by our own definition conscious is "insane". That would also mean that "conscious" created good/bad blah blah blah because of a difference with itself or ourselves. We are also then insane to think we are sane
What if instead of a "big bang" it was just 1 point maybe 1 conscious energy point and it "split" into two and then they split and split and split and will continue into infinity getting faster and faster with each split which could explain why the universe is speeding up and not slowing down. Anyhow food for thought.
You and I have one point, of agreement
What if instead of a "big bang" it was just 1 point maybe 1 conscious energy point and it "split" into two and then they split and split and split and will continue into infinity
originally posted by: Aphorism
a reply to: LightSource
"Conscious" is an adjective, meaning it describes a thing, but not is a thing. "Consciousness" is the same adjective with the suffix "ness" shoe-horned onto the end, which turns a description of a thing into a quality of a thing. In other words, there is no such thing as consciousness.
I think there are rather a few renowned scientists and psychologists that would disagree with your assessment. Consciousness does indeed exist.
Exactly - consciousness is not a thing (consciousness is no thing).
All appears within consciousness, no appearance can appear without consciousness.
Consciousness is no thing but contains all there is (everything).
state |stāt|
noun
1 the particular condition that someone or something is in at a specific time: the state of the company's finances | we're worried about her state of mind.
• a physical condition as regards internal or molecular form or structure: water in a liquid state.
• [ in sing. ] (a state) informal an agitated or anxious condition: don't get into a state.
• [ in sing. ] informal a dirty or untidy condition: look at the state of you—what a mess!
• Physics short for quantum state.
condition |kənˈdiSHən|
noun
1 the state of something, esp. with regard to its appearance, quality, or working order: the wiring is in good condition | [ in sing. ] : the bridge is in an extremely dangerous condition.
• a person's or animal's state of health or physical fitness: he is in fairly good condition considering what he has has been through | [ in sing. ] : she was in a serious condition.
• an illness or other medical problem: a heart condition.
• [ in sing. ] a particular state of existence: a condition of misery.
• archaic social position or rank: those of humbler condition.
I would love to be able to oblige in that respect, alas i am simply a mere mortal that inhabits the same dimension as yourself. To answer your questions would require a far superior mind that i possess. To be frank I don't think humanity will ever be privy to a working understanding of what consciousness entails this side of the third dimension.
originally posted by: Aphorism
And what is a state of being? A being in a state.
originally posted by: Aphorism
If consciousness exists as a something, then you are also saying something can be in the state of another something. That is completely wrong.
some·thing
ˈsəmˌTHiNG/Submit
pronoun
1.
a thing that is unspecified or unknown.
"we stopped for something to eat"
2.
used in various expressions indicating that a description or amount being stated is not exact.
"a wry look, something between amusement and regret"
adverb
adverb: something
1.
informal
used for emphasis with a following adjective functioning as an adverb.
"my back hurts something terrible"
2.
archaicdialect
to some extent; somewhat.
"the people were something scared"
originally posted by: Aphorism
Consciousness exists here and now? So does cheese; so do trains; so does bubblegum. Such an empty statement.
originally posted by: Aphorism
A rock is not conscious and it is a part of the universe, so the universe itself is in a state of not being conscious. Which one should we choose? A contradiction.
originally posted by: Aphorism
Your assertions have no basis and they mean nothing. They are the guesswork of confusion.
Again, consciousness is a state of being. The being that is in the state is the Universe itself, which includes you, because you are a part of the Universe. The Universe is in a conscious state, and is experiencing consciousness.
You are completely wrong, and your logic is non-existent, and your use of the word "something" is laughable. Do you know what "something" is? I can't tell if you are trolling or just lost.
Something" definitely can be in the state of another "something”.
Actually, the statement is more profound than you are capable of grasping. Your reply is as empty as a reply gets. You didn't even attempt to understand the deeper meaning of what I said, and simply replied with something a child would say. Really... cheese, trains, and bubblegum? Your reply is structured in such a manner to suggest your use of those 3 key words was an attempt to make a childish joke out of irrefutable logic. The joke may be funny to children (and you), but not me.
Yes, consciousness exists. You asked where it is, I answered. Consciousness is here and now. Only something conscious could even contemplate the meaning of here and now. It would also have to contemplate it here and now, and exist here and now to do so. Do you get it?
Your toenail is not conscious and it is a part of your body, so does that mean you are in a state of not being conscious?
The only contradiction is the one you created in your mind because of lack of understanding.
The same reason that leads me to believe love exists or empathy for that matter. Cogito ergo sum also springs to mind.
Can i ask what leads you to believe consciousness doesn't exist?
originally posted by: Aphorism
Forgive me but, I believe you are making connections were none can be made. Because a human is conscious does not imply the universe is conscious, like a rock does not imply it is unconscious. A rock is not the universe. The universe is not sturdy because a tree is sturdy, it is not hungry because a fish is hungry, it is not hard because a rock is hard. Fish does not equal universe. Tree does not equal universe. Rock does not equal universe.
Certain things are conscious and certain things aren’t. Conscious is an adjective. Adjectives describe particular persons places and things. It would not make sense to describe my toenails as conscious. It does not appear that they are awake and aware of their surroundings, as an apple doesn’t appear to be disappointed. However I as a thing can exhibit the attributes of being conscious. A rock cannot. You are speaking of everything, anything, the universe, and nothing in particular. Universals are abstract groupings of objects made in judgement only, and posses no such qualities. It is like saying a species is sick or dead because one of its members are. That is not the case.