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Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue?

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posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 11:56 AM
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originally posted by: Monger
a reply to: NavyDoc

I'll take a stab at what the kid was trying to say.. perhaps that organized religion 'performs fellatio' in a manner of speaking. Just like that, protected speech.


Nah, he was just a kid trying to get a laugh out of his friends.




posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 11:58 AM
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At first, I thought that this was most likely Sara Silverman. Then I found out otherwise. But either way, I would like to hear what Jesus thinks about it. Should this kid be charged? Maybe explain to him to behave better in public and give him some community service scrubbing bird poop off of statues around the city.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: theyknowwhoyouare
I wonder how many other "venerated" things christians have desecrated over the years? Why can christians burn korans and not be charged?

I find this to be very distasteful, but not illegal. It would not even be a charge if he did it to any other religion. What if satanists put a statue of lucifer up. Christians would probably do more than just desecrate it. I doubt they would charge or even look for the people that did it.

I believe that people should respect the beliefs of others but not enforce the respect of their beliefs. I'm sure the people of the community expressing their disgust for his actions to him whenever he left his house would be a good enough recourse for his actions


Just to be fair, the Christians in question, the ones who owned the statue, are not pressing charges, the police (technically the DA presses charges, I know) are. One wonders if this young man was known to be a bit of an idiot by the local cops and they decided to bring this up to teach him a lesson for all of the shenanigans he was known for doing around town? Pure conjecture on my part, but usually in this sort of thing, if the aggrieved party refuses to press charges, it is usually dropped, even if it is real vandalism. Just makes me wonder if there is more to the story, is all.

Of course, back in my day (when I was a kid, I hated it when old timers said that) shenanigans, unless they were destructive, usually led to the cops taking you home to your parents (if they could catch you) after you were bitched out, apologize to the "victim," and clean up the mess. No charges needed.
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posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: chopperswolf
They could not prosecute, and not worry about being reelected, as I am pretty sure that the insulted parties in the the area would raise a stink, maybe protest, and cause a general commotion, and he broke the law as it's written . Freedom must be tempered with respect of others, if peace is to be maintained . What if this were a Muslim community and he was disrespecting one of their religious icons? could just let the insulted parties handle it. a reply to: theyknowwhoyouare



Events like this are a chance to rewrite laws. What happened to all those christians burning korans?




Freedom must be tempered with respect of others, if peace is to be maintained


A fancy way to circumvent freedom of speech IMO. Can't say or do something that others may find offensive. Very slippery slope.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

Yes this church is taking the high road whilst the hypocrites demand justice in an attempt to gain kudo's from god lol



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: Monger

originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe

a reply to: theyknowwhoyouare

Freedom of speech? Give me a break. I suppose you would like it if he holds a burning flag in one hand at the same time?



The really nifty thing about freedom of expression is, you don't have to like it! You can hate it, you can find it reprehensible, but, yes, even burning a flag is considered protected speech. Deal with it.


The really nifty thing about private property is that, unless you have permission to be there, it is trespassing. Just because the first amendment exists doesn't mean it allows any jackass teenager to go onto someone else's property and mess with their stuff.

Don't tell people to "Deal with it" when your assessment of the situation is flawed.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

I really want to see you
Really want to be with you
Really want to see you lord
But it takes so long, my lord

My sweet lord
Hm, my lord
Hm, my lord

I really want to know you
Really want to go with you
Really want to show you lord
That it won't take long, my lord (hallelujah)

My sweet lord (hallelujah)
Hm, my lord (hallelujah)
My sweet lord (hallelujah)



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: NavyDoc

I really want to see you
Really want to be with you
Really want to see you lord
But it takes so long, my lord

My sweet lord
Hm, my lord
Hm, my lord

I really want to know you
Really want to go with you
Really want to show you lord
That it won't take long, my lord (hallelujah)

My sweet lord (hallelujah)
Hm, my lord (hallelujah)
My sweet lord (hallelujah)


Great song.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: Monger

originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe

a reply to: theyknowwhoyouare

Freedom of speech? Give me a break. I suppose you would like it if he holds a burning flag in one hand at the same time?



The really nifty thing about freedom of expression is, you don't have to like it! You can hate it, you can find it reprehensible, but, yes, even burning a flag is considered protected speech. Deal with it.


The really nifty thing about private property is that, unless you have permission to be there, it is trespassing. Just because the first amendment exists doesn't mean it allows any jackass teenager to go onto someone else's property and mess with their stuff.

Don't tell people to "Deal with it" when your assessment of the situation is flawed.



Actually here are the trespass laws for PA



Criminal Trespass
Criminal trespass is committed when an individual knows that she is not allowed to enter a property but does so "by subterfuge," or by "breaking into" the property. When committed by subterfuge, it is a felony of the third degree. By "breaking into" a property, the law means unauthorized opening of a lock or through "an opening not designed for human access." This type is a second-degree felony.

Defiant Trespass
Defiant trespass is committed when an individual enters a property in defiance of some communication that states he is not allowed to do so. Such communication may be a "Do not enter" sign or a barrier clearly designed to exclude intruders such as a fence. Defiant trespass is a third-degree misdemeanor.

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Simple Trespass
Simple trespass occurs when an individual trespasses onto a property for the purpose of "threatening or terrorizing" an occupant, starting a fire on the premises or defacing the premises. This would constitute a summary offense.

Agricultural Trespass
If a person enters an agricultural area that he is knowingly restricted from, it constitutes a third-degree misdemeanor punishable by up to a year imprisonment and a fine of "not less than $250."

Defenses
The law allows for a number of defenses, which include if the property was abandoned, the premises was open to the public or the trespasser reasonably believed she was authorized to be there.

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I think the fact that it was open to the public and from the pic it seems he is not even 20 feet from the road shows that no trespass laws were broken. If there were they probably would have charged him.
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posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 03:05 PM
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The statue is close to the side of the road. I live out in the county, there's a buffer zone/easement along the road that we can't build on or fence in. I don't think trespass applies in this case.

Unless a mailbox is incorporated into it the only reason for having it so close to the road is either to advertise or as a drive by blessing. If that's the case then it's open to the public to respect/disrespect as they see fit.

I really don't see the difference between what this kid did and a passing motorist flipping it off. As long as the public doesn't vandalize/trespass, assault or slander we're allowed to disrespect most things.

People don't like to park their cars roadside and we certainly don't place highly respected objects in an area typically reserved for cars/trash cans, so I question the placement/intent.

I throw away Jehovah witness "advertisements"/use them for fire starter, is that unlawful? Or is it ok as long as I keep it private?

If this statue is on public land then it was given to the public and imo that's why the church isn't making a big deal about it.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: SlapMonkey

Is an unfenced Church lawn (which is an untaxed, 'public place' unless I'm seriously mistaken) private property? If the kid was trespassing, then perhaps you can explain why he wasn't charged as such.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: Monger

I am wondering if an area that belong to the church or a establishment that is reserved to spiritual gathering open to the public and free of tax holds the same rules as private property.

Just wondering.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 03:38 PM
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originally posted by: Monger
a reply to: SlapMonkey

Is an unfenced Church lawn (which is an untaxed, 'public place' unless I'm seriously mistaken) private property? If the kid was trespassing, then perhaps you can explain why he wasn't charged as such.


Probably for the same reason he shouldn't be charged with this issue--the property owner didn't press charges. IIR, in order to prosecute for trespass, the individual or group who holds title of the property has to press charges. No pressing of charges, no trespass. Also, as above, there probably are local laws about easements and distance from public walkways/streets that define what is trespass as well. For example, I'd likely not be charged with trespass if I walked a few feet off the sidewalk into your yard whereas I could if you caught me in your backyard.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Monger

I am wondering if an area that belong to the church or a establishment that is reserved to spiritual gathering open to the public and free of tax holds the same rules as private property.

Just wondering.



You can be charged with trespass for going on taxpayer funded property or "government" property, including parks. It depends on the circumstances and local ordinances. If you go to a park that is closed after dark, the citation would be trespass even though it is a taxpayer funded area designed for gatherings.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: Monger

originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe

a reply to: theyknowwhoyouare

Freedom of speech? Give me a break. I suppose you would like it if he holds a burning flag in one hand at the same time?



The really nifty thing about freedom of expression is, you don't have to like it! You can hate it, you can find it reprehensible, but, yes, even burning a flag is considered protected speech. Deal with it.


The really nifty thing about private property is that, unless you have permission to be there, it is trespassing. Just because the first amendment exists doesn't mean it allows any jackass teenager to go onto someone else's property and mess with their stuff.

Don't tell people to "Deal with it" when your assessment of the situation is flawed.


That's the really nifty thing about actually reading the article, you'll find out he is NOT being charged with trespassing. So drop it.

He is being charged with desecration, your assessment of the situation is flawed because you aren't even aware of the situation to begin with, evidently.

You are making a strawman argument, and a really crappy one at that. Nobody is saying free speech allows you to trespass. People are saying free speech allows you to pose with something without being arrested.

Please, try to follow along a little better next time.

I find it hilarious how the Westboro baptist church cretins are allowed to go to funerals and spew hatred, creating obvious and extreme emotional distress to the people there, yet they are allowed to go on their business. Yet a kit being ridiculous with a statue, in a manner tons and tons of other kids (and adults) have also been ridiculous, gets charges filed?

Ever heard of the glass house and stone throwing story? I'm absolutely sure you have at least a few actions taken in your life that broke some law somewhere, why didn't you go turn yourself in? You always declare money from your garage sales and ebay actions on your taxes? You ever borrow money from family to pay for a house? Ever throw batteries in the garbage, or maybe poured something out in the lawn or down the drain you weren't supposed to? Ever install a new appliance or do a bit of home repair? Probably broke a few codes in the process.

The fact is every last one of us have done things that technically break some little law, and something is seriously wrong with the law when everyone is in violation of it. Until the legal system sorts it's chit out it should be jury nullification constantly on non-violent offenses.
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posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 04:33 PM
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Apparently under Christianized law having a sense of humour is against the law. Seporation of church and state remember? Of course you people who think he did something wrong dont. You just live in your little fantasy that the US is Jesus land and jesus was a white guy. What a joke.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 05:51 PM
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originally posted by: James1982

originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: Monger

originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe

a reply to: theyknowwhoyouare

Freedom of speech? Give me a break. I suppose you would like it if he holds a burning flag in one hand at the same time?



The really nifty thing about freedom of expression is, you don't have to like it! You can hate it, you can find it reprehensible, but, yes, even burning a flag is considered protected speech. Deal with it.


The really nifty thing about private property is that, unless you have permission to be there, it is trespassing. Just because the first amendment exists doesn't mean it allows any jackass teenager to go onto someone else's property and mess with their stuff.

Don't tell people to "Deal with it" when your assessment of the situation is flawed.


That's the really nifty thing about actually reading the article, you'll find out he is NOT being charged with trespassing. So drop it.

He is being charged with desecration, your assessment of the situation is flawed because you aren't even aware of the situation to begin with, evidently.

You are making a strawman argument, and a really crappy one at that. Nobody is saying free speech allows you to trespass. People are saying free speech allows you to pose with something without being arrested.

Please, try to follow along a little better next time.

I find it hilarious how the Westboro baptist church cretins are allowed to go to funerals and spew hatred, creating obvious and extreme emotional distress to the people there, yet they are allowed to go on their business. Yet a kit being ridiculous with a statue, in a manner tons and tons of other kids (and adults) have also been ridiculous, gets charges filed?

Ever heard of the glass house and stone throwing story? I'm absolutely sure you have at least a few actions taken in your life that broke some law somewhere, why didn't you go turn yourself in? You always declare money from your garage sales and ebay actions on your taxes? You ever borrow money from family to pay for a house? Ever throw batteries in the garbage, or maybe poured something out in the lawn or down the drain you weren't supposed to? Ever install a new appliance or do a bit of home repair? Probably broke a few codes in the process.

The fact is every last one of us have done things that technically break some little law, and something is seriously wrong with the law when everyone is in violation of it. Until the legal system sorts it's chit out it should be jury nullification constantly on non-violent offenses.


It's an aside, but I really had a problem with that successful harassment suit against the Westboro Baptist Church being thrown out on "first amendment grounds." The first amendment had nothing to do with it. There were no laws made nor did government have anything to do with the case.

One citizen felt maligned and harassed by another and took them to civil court and was awarded damages by a jury of their peers. The first amendment had nothing to do with the situation. WBC should not have gotten the judgement against them by the appeals court.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 05:54 PM
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You just gotta love these Moral Christian Soldiers!! Man the world is so full of Irony it's unbelievable!!

REVEALED: DA prosecuting kid for raunchy Jesus photo prank committed adultery, is a porn fan



The Pennsylvania attorney who is prosecuting a 14-year-old boy for simulating oral sex with a statue of Jesus posted porn-related material online and has used his office to conduct an extramarital affair that resulted in criminal charges against him.

Six years ago, Higgins admitted to having extramarital sex in his local courthouse office with a woman following a meeting of the Bedford County Republicans. At the time, Higgins was the organization’s vice-chair. The woman later sued him, accusing him of sexual assault, but the charges were later dropped.


Way to go there buddy. Keep up the good fight for Morality!!



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 06:38 PM
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Maybe the kid wasn't charged with any crime, but at least he gets to look like the arse that he is in front of the rest of the world.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 07:03 PM
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originally posted by: theyknowwhoyouare
...There's a big difference in Jesus and my daughter. My daughter is real.

...Also if jesus was real, he told people he was not god and said don't worship me.

Perhaps you didn't see this portion of my statement - "...Maybe something to consider..."

I would take it a step further, and ask about "turn the other cheek"...
From what I've read in this thread, it appears that those that would be most offended may have chosen said stance.
Good for them, if that is the case.

As to the remainder of your statement, you can hash that out with those that care about such things.



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