Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue?

a reply to: Jakal26
There is, though, another side to my argument...
If he had a beef with the people/organization that owned this statue...and chose to express himself in such a manner, as a statement or response...realizing that some "price" might be associated with his expression...and chose to do it, anyway... Then - at least, some level of integrity might be inherent in his action/s...
I am not judging his beliefs...if that is what is represented by the photo.

a reply to: Snarl

Rest assured, he'll find out what it's like to be on the 'receiving' end of that position ... and I'm certain there are a couple of Christian correctional officers who will make sure of it.

Well I guess that is the christian way. Because we all know the christian faith is just slightly more tolerant than the muslim faith in these matters. On the other hand the Muslim faith doesn't put statues or insignias up every quarter mile that this could happen to.

originally posted by: WanDash
a reply to: theyknowwhoyouare
If this kid came into your yard, and had the same kind of photo taken of himself with your young daughter's face where the statue's face is in the incriminating photo...then, posted the photo online - having never forced said daughter to do anything...would you &/or your daughter feel/be violated?

Maybe something to consider...

Really? That is the comparison you make? An inanimate object vs a person?
If this statue and the mentioned daughter were being held at gunpoint and the armed individual said "I am going to shoot one that you choose," is the choice difficult? Of course not, because they are not at all comparable.

All in all this is a non story. A young kid did something stupid. Why is this even being talked about?

a reply to: randomtangentsrme
Seems you are talking about it...
I don't think you actually considered the scenario...though.
Some people attach significant value/s to inanimate objects...like crucifixes, flags, dollar bills...etc...

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Snarl

Rest assured, he'll find out what it's like to be on the 'receiving' end of that position ... and I'm certain there are a couple of Christian correctional officers who will make sure of it.

Well I guess that is the christian way. Because we all know the christian faith is just slightly more tolerant than the muslim faith in these matters. On the other hand the Muslim faith doesn't put statues or insignias up every quarter mile that this could happen to.

Funny you mention that. There's a statue of the Quran on a pedestal right next door to where I live. I guess Korean's mostly raise their kids to be respectful of others and things which don't belong to them.

FTR, I am not a 'Christian'. Doesn't mean I don't understand how the church would be totally offended by the actions of this kid. He knew exactly what he was doing, it was made worse by social media, and it was apparently against the law.

Why do you think some folks would want to give him a pass? I would honestly like to know your opinion.

originally posted by: Jakal26
a reply to: theyknowwhoyouare

Here you go.

I saw this the other day. I just don't see a crime here and agree, this is covered under freedom of speech.
Though I think it lack maturity, this is NOT a crime.

As I said when I posted this to my fb page the other day...Only when one's sensibilities are smacking in the face will one truly know if they desire freedom for all.

Then I guess that 14 year old would have no problem with me posing in that same position with his mother?

a reply to: Snarl

Why do you think some folks would want to give him a pass? I would honestly like to know your opinion.

Because once it is acceptable to police the public over pictures on social media then all media or any incriminating photo then becomes enforceable. It is one thing to catch them in the act it is entirely a different matter when it is after the fact. I believe in my state it was just decided that stop light camera photos were not enforceable so why is this different?

You know if this becomes acceptable then I need to go through all my photo albums. A photo of mooning someone in public get get you thrown in jail better watch out all those spring breakers flashing. Better hope no one has a camera you will wind up in jail. Not that I am into Girls Gone Wild but I have seen the commercials and there will be hundreds of subpoenas for breaking the law.

a reply to: theyknowwhoyouare

now just imagine if he did that with a statue of Muhammad..!!...he would lose his head or least have to hide out for a very long time

a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Yes because a living person and a statue are so much alike. I say if she lets ya go for it and if she lets you it isn't going to cause a stir.

Maybe he can say the statue didn't have a problem with it or better yet he heard a message from god telling him to do it.

a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Oh...silly me. Didn't realize that statue was alive.
Seriously?

ETA: Grimpachi beat me to it

originally posted by: Jakal26
a reply to: theyknowwhoyouare



Here you go.

I saw this the other day. I just don't see a crime here and agree, this is covered under freedom of speech.
Though I think it lack maturity, this is NOT a crime.

As I said when I posted this to my fb page the other day...Only when one's sensibilities are smacking in the face will one truly know if they desire freedom for all.

Its is a very disgusting ACT OF PUBLIC LEWD BEHAVIOR which has ALWAYS been illegal. Same as when you flash little kids your junk. Or would you also call that free speech? (i'm just messin' with you here)

I sure wouldn't want my kids seeing this display of utter disregard for morals, ethics, logic, and reason, and throw in a huge portion of lewd and lascivious conduct.

I know there are a lot of very sensitive kids that would suffer emotional damage for seeing this kind of thing, and if that happened, the parents could go berserk and commit an even more unfortunate act in revenge. This is what corruption and immoral behavior does, it breeds more evil, it escalates it, magnifies it until it becomes today's AMERICA where the NEW moral majority makes and follows their own version of God, and so it is fine to do and support just about anything against a religion (Unless it is Muslims or someone from Israel. until people do stuff just like this, and then have folks like you, or me, or anyone publically say it is free speech.

If you were showing the world you really despise fence posts with knot holes in them, and you stuck your junk in the knothole publically, do you think a cop will just ignore it? (I know they would really laugh out loud if someone tried to tell them they were exercising free speech

originally posted by: WanDash
a reply to: randomtangentsrme
Seems you are talking about it...
I don't think you actually considered the scenario...though.
Some people attach significant value/s to inanimate objects...like crucifixes, flags, dollar bills...etc...

No sir (or lady). Actually I was pointing out a poor analogy. I did add my 2 cents about the topic as ATS prefers we stay on topic.

I did consider the scenario, I also remember my commandments:

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image. . .

en.wikipedia.org...

So anyone of the faith who calls outrage on this due to religious reasons is forgetting one of the basic tenets of the faith.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

He's going to be hard pressed to find such a statue.
Do you happen to have a picture of one or know where one is located? LOL

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

I see you edited your post...
Disregard then.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

If you were showing the world you really despise fence posts with knot holes in them, and you stuck your junk in the knothole publically, do you think a cop will just ignore it?

In your scenario is the cop actually witnessing that happen or did the cop just see a picture of such an act?

In the first instance where the cop actually witnessed it in progress then it is his duty to do something in the instance where it is a photo and after the fact then the cop should and most likely would ignore it.

There happy?

originally posted by: Jakal26
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

He's going to be hard pressed to find such a statue.
Do you happen to have a picture of one or know where one is located? LOL

no i dont but i am sure i could make for you if you are looking to see the outcome

a reply to: Grimpachi

Because once it is acceptable to police the public over pictures on social media then all media or any incriminating photo then becomes enforceable. It is one thing to catch them in the act it is entirely a different matter when it is after the fact. I believe in my state it was just decided that stop light camera photos were not enforceable so why is this different?

Hmmm ... good point.

What if ... we've got video evidence of someone in the act of committing murder? Should the crime go unpunished?

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Yes because a living person and a statue are so much alike. I say if she lets ya go for it and if she lets you it isn't going to cause a stir.

Maybe he can say the statue didn't have a problem with it or better yet he heard a message from god telling him to do it.

So, the 14 year old wouldn't have a problem with it then? Unless he venerates his mother ...

I mean, who cares how he feels? But to "play along" with your line of thinking ... a life sized picture of his mother would do.

a reply to: Snarl

I do believe there is a reasonable limit. In this case it is a misdomenor where no one was harmed and nothing was damaged. Well after the fact some feelings were harmed but that was of their own volition by looking at the page.

Where should the line be drawn in your opinion?

originally posted by: GeisterFahrer

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Yes because a living person and a statue are so much alike. I say if she lets ya go for it and if she lets you it isn't going to cause a stir.

Maybe he can say the statue didn't have a problem with it or better yet he heard a message from god telling him to do it.

So, the 14 year old wouldn't have a problem with it then? Unless he venerates his mother ...

I mean, who cares how he feels? But to "play along" with your line of thinking ... a life sized picture of his mother would do.

So now we judge and prosecute people because feelings were hurt? Be careful what you wish for you may hurt my feelings and face some jail time in that case.

To answer directly no who cares how he feels about it. If what you described was prosecutable then every child of a pornstar would be taking huge swaths of the public to court because his/her feelings were hurt.