Police place personal ads then change age and charge with sex crimes

As if online dating wasn't already a game of 'wheel-of-fortune' now it looks like our friendly Protectors have added a bunch of big bankruptcy cards to the wheel...

www.break.com...


Disclaimer: I totally support harsh penalties for sex crimes, especially underage ones, But placing ads for 20-something beautiful women and then claiming a different age in conversation, (especially if your photo looks like a 26yr old), is totally manipulative entrapment.

About 8 yrs ago I actually dated a girl (in person, real relationship) who was I think 31 at the time, and we met online . I remember one time she says "maybe I'm 13". I immediately said "that's not funny, seriously, it's not a joke, if you're 13 then we're done talking".

She was just trying to be funny, but think of how that could have gone wrong had I just shrugged it off as a joke (her picture was clearly late 20's/early 30's and she had a kid also).

a reply to: 8675309jenny

Its a sticky subject, on the one hand its a great way to get sex offenders off our streets but on the other its entrapment as you said. The problem with this is when completely innocent people start to get caught in the crossfire, its only a matter of time before someone misreads a message or something similar and gets banged up for doing nothing wrong.

a reply to: 8675309jenny

They also use online dating in the Drug War. Be suspicious of any ads of girls(and guys) that say they like to party or what not.

Guys are generally really stupid win it comes to dating, so when an attractive women wants to go on a date and "party" with an unsuspecting guy who has the connections to get what the NARCs want, it is almost like shooting fish in a barrel at times.

The Drug War is so dirty than most deep undercover NARCS are allowed to indulge and even sell evidence they have confiscated to help gain trust and status with the people they are trying to take down.

Treason in my book!

a reply to: 8675309jenny

While I get what you're saying, there's an easy solution: Don't chat with underage girls or boys! I don't see why that is so difficult. I agree that the police shouldn't be trying to lure people into committing crimes, but c'mon. If a fourteen year old jailbait chick contacts you, what does and adult do? "Thanks for contacting me, but I'm looking for an adult". Block them and move on. No jail time.

a reply to: 8675309jenny

Outrageous!
But like the first poster said, it is a sticky subject. I mean, who wants to be the one seen as "defending sex criminals"?

I shouldn't be "shocked" but I seem to be at a lose for words.
Will be sharing this with my friends elsewhere online.
Wow...just wow.

The reaction from Grady Judd speaks VOLUMES to me. Instantly defensive....instantly going with the "fer the childrun" defense....no concern for the innocents that are caught up in this trickery or the lives they lose. Sickening!

a reply to: Auricom

If a fourteen year old jailbait chick contacts you, what does and adult do?

You didn't listen to the video, did you?
Yeah, thought so.

I live in this area and the problem is with Grady Judd, the greatest media &^ore sheriff to ever get elected. I am thankful some judges are finally stepping up and dismissing some of these cases. The sad thing is that the judges in Polk county and other bordering counties are continuing to prosecute and get convictions. For every case that gets kicked, there are probably 10 that do not. 10 years ago when I used to go to singles' chat rooms I would get propositioned once a day by someone claiming to be 18 or over, only later to tell me they were 16 even when I posted I was looking for women over 30. Another thing to note is only one of five area television news networks are picking up this story. Congrats to WTSP Channel 10 for having the cojones to do their jobs and report against the media sl*T. Here a a few more links to the good Sheriff's recent activities to protect us. I am in no way condoning anyone's illegal actions and feel that adults that prey on children should be prosecuted to the hilt. What does bother me are the tactics used. Telling an 18 year old senior in high school you are 19, then changing it to 15 after talking dirty and inviting him over is entrapment. The good sheriff knows this issue is the most difficult to defend, and thats why he feels he can get away with it.

www.wtsp.com...

www.wtsp.com...
a reply to: 8675309jenny

originally posted by: Auricom
a reply to: 8675309jenny

While I get what you're saying, there's an easy solution: Don't chat with underage girls or boys! I don't see why that is so difficult. I agree that the police shouldn't be trying to lure people into committing crimes, but c'mon. If a fourteen year old jailbait chick contacts you, what does and adult do? "Thanks for contacting me, but I'm looking for an adult". Block them and move on. No jail time.

Did you actually watch the video?

The personal ad said she was 26, she looked 26, and a 22year old guy started talking to her. Then she said she was 13, and he thought she was bull#ting. Now he's a sex offender for life when he NEVER talked to a 13yr old, and never met one either. A 22yr old guy contacting a 26yr old girl isn't a pedo.

www.wtsp.com...

The majority of them were in their teens or 20s at the time, and approximately 97 percent of the men had zero history of any sexual crimes or accusations.

BTW in Florida age of consent is 16 until the older party turns 24. My friends and I all knew the rules very clearly when we went to UCF and our apartment was right across the street from the high school. HS girls were always coming to the parties in our building.

originally posted by: Auricom
a reply to: 8675309jenny

While I get what you're saying, there's an easy solution: Don't chat with underage girls or boys! I don't see why that is so difficult. I agree that the police shouldn't be trying to lure people into committing crimes, but c'mon. If a fourteen year old jailbait chick contacts you, what does and adult do? "Thanks for contacting me, but I'm looking for an adult". Block them and move on. No jail time.

If you take time to read the OP and watch the news video, you'll see that what happened was not a case of "teehee I'm 12!!!!!" Cops make fake ads of people in their 20's, then change their age after forming an online relation with a person. In that sense, it's entirely baiting. If a someone purchases a product that's advertised as a car and they get a hotwheel, you're not going to tell that person "Well, any adult would just say, 'no thanks, I'm looking for a real car!'" The people being baited into crimes aren't soliciting underage sex, they think their hooking up with people their own age.

a reply to: 8675309jenny

Police are always entrapping people like this.

It's easier than going after dads/uncles/neighbors/friends that make up the majority of those that molest young women/girls. That sort of thing takes actual work instead of easy entrapment.

a reply to: DestroyDestroyDestroy

Replies like the one you quoted are the reason that it is so easy to frame up people like this. Many disregard any and all information or defense(s) from those being accused and instead, always follow the "cop logic" in these cases. It's the reason I ALWAYS take, with a grain (or a million) of salt, stories about people having child porn and the like on the computer. It is just so easy to frame people, to place that stuff there and then claim it was them that d/l it or was sharing it...etc.

Like I said, no one wants to be the person seen as "defending sexual predators".....Honestly, it is scary to think about. I post a LOT of opinion on line and I participate in political discussions and share my political views and rant against the "machine"....a LOT. Scary to think of how easy it would be to set any one of us up that "needs to be silenced"....Just glad I am a "little guy" with a "small voice", heard only by a few that "they" aren't worried about anyways.

Sometimes, I wonder.....ignorance truly is bliss!

a reply to: OrphanApology

It's easier than going after dads/uncles/neighbors/friends that make up the majority of those that molest young women/girls. That sort of thing takes actual work instead of easy entrapment.

You absolutely NAILED it!

In my experience, this is the case. Incest and other "behind closed doors" molestation and the like remain "behind closed doors"....this is sad and having listening to many share their stories, in the "real world" and on the net....I have to turn away, I can't remain emotionally detached and think rationally. It makes me want to do things that I should do.

(Shutting up before I violate the T&C)

a reply to: DestroyDestroyDestroy


And here in lies the problem, how many here have scanned through a message without reading it properly and missed a minor detail? What happens if that detail just so happens to be the bit where she says I'm 13 or you think the person is 31 and the13 part was just a typo on their part? As I said before innocent people will end getting caught up in this and end up on a sex offenders register when they haven't done anything wrong. Don't get me wrong, as a father of two young girls I'm all up for getting these vile perverts off the street but not at the cost of innocents.

far out...so this is what qualifies as police work these days.....more and more i see police just trying to justify their own existence....it isnt just this kind of police work it is all of it across the board....very sad to see when those that are supposed to protect society are given quotas and have to create a certain amount of revenue to remain viable

a reply to: Jakal26

've been lucky and had no experience like that when I was younger. I have all my memories of childhood and my sex life is normal.

It always amazes me how many women I have been able to talk to deeply have been molested by dads, uncles, brothers, neighbors, family friends, and etc. The percentage is way higher than what's reported(anecdotal, but anyone who has been on the receiving end of any drunken tic tac talks can probably admit they've had similar experiences). Doesn't matter what category or group they fall into. Black, white, gay, straight. It's an epidemic and stupid tactics like this does nothing to address the real issue. The issue is trusted male(sometimes female) figures abusing young women/girls. Families protect them many times which is even more horrid.

I understand how you feel and anytime I talk to a new friend etc. and they open up it breaks my heart and makes me angry.

It's very common and seems to fall in line at about a fourth of the women I met. They also tend to have problems in intimacy later either being hyper sexual or unable to be fully intimate/sexual. It's really sad.

I forget where I read it and now I can't find the damned paper but about 95% of sex workers were sexually abused as youths.

a reply to: OrphanApology

Yeap. You've got it pegged.
My experiences mirror your own, it seems.

In my area....Southwest VA...very rural and until rather recently (last decade or so) very isolated, I would venture to say that at least 1/3 would fall into the abused at some point category. The family cover-ups are sickening. I have been witness to this. A grandfather abusing his granddaughter...age 6 to almost 9. Sometimes locking her in the basement, naked and afraid...after sodomizing her (at that young age....Jesus...just writing it makes me sick)....telling her he would rape and kill her younger sister if she told others.

The truth didn't come out until he died....her mother found pictures of her locked in a safe at his house. She called, crying and saying she was sorry it happened. The girl refused to go to his funeral....her mother gets pissed

I was personal witness to a phone call that I intervened in....she was told by her father that it "didn't happen" only to later recant in the same conversation...claiming she was at fault because she "didn't tell him" and "if it happened she would have said something".....she was tore to pieces. I nearly killed that man (god's honest truth)

I knew of the grandfather's evil misdeeds before he died....He laid in his own piss and vomit in a nursing home for about a year. I truly thought about killing him, I will not lie. In the end, I realized his suffering was his punishment in this life and felt that allowing it on it's own accord was better than committing a murder I might later be pegged for. She agreed.

It's just sad....the real issues remain unaddressed because the truth is too uncomfortable for so many.
.....I have to stop....can't write about this garbage anymore, at this moment.

Glad to see some others have such a handle on this horrible truth and can be so eloquent in speaking what they know.

To be fair, I could read all the posted articles. I couldn't get the video to work. The brief description says what everyone is saying just not as obvious as the video may.

This situation should cost jobs. It could cause real pedos to get off due to poor police work.

a reply to: longy9999

If it's entrapment it's not a great way to get sex offenders off the street because.. it's entrapment and pretty easy to defend against.

a reply to: 8675309jenny
This whole thing is complete b.s. They are supposed to be catching people that don't care and actively pursue underage people NOT tricking people that are actually trying to meet someone of legal age.

I think that law enforcement efforts like this are horrible. I think that they should be concerned with arresting real criminals such as pedophiles, not attempting to trap non-pedophiles into looking like these people just so they can arrest someone. There are officers out there who assume everyone is a criminal, and treat them as such, which is bad considering some of these people even treat law abiding citizens pretty badly. Public servant, in my mind, implies a nice, friendly person who is concerned with helping the public. How many officers fit that bill? There are a lot of good cops out there, but "good" is a relative term. Even corrupt cops could look good when compared with the really bad ones.

It is not just cops, but other people in the justice system in general, including district attorneys and judges. They are not always concerned with getting the truth and putting criminals behind bars when necessary. This is evidenced by those who knowingly convict innocent people to maintain their personal image. Anyway, some of you were talking about how cops sting people in chatrooms and whatnot, and I did a quick experiment. Not a very good experiment mind you. I never use chatrooms, but I did a Google search and found some chatrooms and entered the "teen" section. You don't have to register on this chatroom it seems, only enter a name. I entered a girl's name with the number 2000 after it and entered the chat room. I didn't talk to anybody, but just replied "hi" in the main chat window after someone else said it.

I was taken aback because in the span of about 10 seconds I got 23 PM's...23!!!! All from guys I'm sure. Now I'm not saying these guys were pedophiles, as I didn't talk to them but just exited the chatroom, but if you have daughters, THAT is what they can likely expect if they go a chatroom. Just a warning. I wouldn't trust a single one of those people to not be a pedophile, and it would be better to avoid chatrooms altogether. In fact, why would anyone legitimately use a chatroom to begin with? I can understand a forum chatroom or a very specific chatroom, but most people have facebook and can text, and chatrooms seem to me to be outdated. If others feel the same way, then doesn't it stand to reason that a higher percentage of the people in such rooms are going to be there for a nefarious purpose?