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originally posted by: yourmaker
Well everyone including China, North Korea, and Russia are puppets
I find it weird how we just name collective groups of millions like that.
As if there aren't many people within those nations that solemnly dissent on an unseen level
Am I Canada? Do I personify my nation as a statistic among the collective rather than live a unique identity within it?
what is the end game?
CT's vs T's in perpetuity, where the citizens wait to be saved from the government every single time, or end up taking arms against it while the people who make the weaponry and ideologies continue on the sideline making profit existing in a security dragnet created/guarded by the citizens they use as pawns to be hidden behind, used and discarded
originally posted by: Jchristopher5
The world used to be a happier place before I, as a United States citizen came to the conclusion that much of the evil in the world has roots in the CIA.
Starting in 1953, when Ike took office, the covert posture of the CIA was formed. Allen Dulles, IMHO, is one of the most evil SOBs that ever lived. His secret reign of terror has continued with successor after successor.
Consider those proven conspiracies:
When you consider the way the joint chiefs were ready to kill innocent Americans to justify war with Cuba (Northwoods) why are 911 "truthers" so scorned?
Yes, I am of the belief that both Al Qaeda and ISIS are, in large part, CIA creations.
originally posted by: Answer
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
I agree with everything you are saying.
To answer your point about "why have we been doing this for 60 years if all that seems to happen is more chaos or instability in the long run," I think that part of the secret here is that the Pentagon or powers that be couldn't care less about the stability or people of some of these countries. Their goal is either to retain control of a region or to stop an enemy such as Russia from having or retaining control over a country or region (read Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Iran, etc). They are willing to disrupt a place to achieve that end.
Another piece that is maybe just opining on my part is that perhaps the west wants to keep many of these countries slightly chaotic such that they do not become powerful enough to threaten western interests.
Here is an analogy from my video game experience. When I used to play war strategy games, I caught on very quickly that it is much easier to attack the enemy early while they are weak and then keep on periodically attacking to keep them weak than it is to wait until they grow a force big enough to defeat you and also attack. Just food for thought, but maybe this explains one or two of these situations as well?
Thoughts on those?
That's another point that I've thought about... we destabilize the middle east so they can't unite against Western interests.
Another possibility is that the whole crazy thing is nothing more than a proxy war against Russia... preventing them from profiting in the region.
originally posted by: Answer
One reason is because during these conflicts we bleed $$ and cannot track them. The whole thing fills certain pockets, allows much easier hiding of rackets that have been going on since WWI. It empowers persons who had no power and now it is helping to build private armies that we will never know who really is in controls.
So you think the CIA has good intentions but it keeps falling apart? They just haven't learned from their umpteen mistakes?
You're a little jaded... I wasn't being sarcastic. I was asking genuinely to understand your reply more clearly.
I read it as saying that we arm and fund these groups thinking they have good intentions and the money/guns end up in the wrong hands because we can't keep track of where it goes.