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Jesus is not god for four reasons

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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 01:07 AM
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1. Jesus; just as Mohammed, Buddha is a stepped down version of an energyform encompassing the 9 dimensions (Kether to Malkuth) Qabala version of spirit becoming a material form as an "insert" personality to change an archetype/eon.
2. There is no such thing as 'god' as a 'being' it is a field of energy comprised of a series of 1s and 0s, OR simply information.
3. You are yourselves 'gods' best expression of ITSELF; as much as you deny it; it is the truth you are its better expression as visualized as an INDIVIDUAL; what other point was to be made except you fathom/realize who you are? GOD AS YOU ENCOMBRANCE.
4. Walt Disney or Shakespeare would fit the human into a shape that made sense, cartoonish or poetic, you make that determination.




posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 01:28 AM
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1. We do not know how many dimensions there are, but we could argue all day as to rather or not God is in or outside of any of them.
2. We agree that a concept of God is not what most people assume. However it is beyond human understanding.
3. "God" and "god" are two separate words. The word god means "one with dominion", God as a title means "ruler of rulers".
4. I do not understand what you mean. The human body was a well designed machine before the copy of a copy error set in.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 01:38 AM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing

you got it right brother, But it puts in perspective what creation really is.

if you create some organisms and they live on, that's creation lol.

If we can create life, which we are right now. What does that mean for the human species.
Did life come here and create more life?

The truth of the matter is, Christianity and all such religions label god in almost unreprisentable way to E.T. Even tho it probably clear is reprisenting THAT.

Because if we just call anything that lands on our turf God. We might run into some trouble. It's better to have a *sure thing* then to just point at every *celetial* being and say MOMMY DADDY !!!


We live in the universe and we are made of it, We arn't anything seperate from it. So we are in all truth of the word, The universe.

Sure realistically we are not the Universe in its entirety because we are just on a microscale in the scheme of things.
You may be a god but only humanity makes your soul immortal. Without humanity there would be no place for your godly self to incarnate



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 02:01 AM
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originally posted by: mikefougnie
1. We do not know how many dimensions there are, but we could argue all day as to rather or not God is in or outside of any of them.
2. We agree that a concept of God is not what most people assume. However it is beyond human understanding.
3. "God" and "god" are two separate words. The word god means "one with dominion", God as a title means "ruler of rulers".
4. I do not understand what you mean. The human body was a well designed machine before the copy of a copy error set in.


I do know how many dimensions, there are ONLY 9 IM AWARE OF; and yes we could argue until the cows come home whether God existed and the milk they produce. The "God" concept is a fake ideology fed to the populace as a placator (someone else is in charge and don't blame us or YOU for the individual destruction of nations and shennagigans no one takes the blame for)..The human body is an electromagnetic field encompassing, fire being the electricity, water that is grounded, electric and air that is the chaos component. Why doesn't the human electricute itself just breathing is beyond me, its obviously wearing rubber souls. God is symbol fo what? an idea form that does not exist. Its represents a father figure that does not exist. Not a person or a being IT JUST INFORMATION GATHERING.
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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 02:32 AM
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a reply to: AnuTyr
Did life come here create more life? yes, and we as parents or generational must blame this process on someone (and who would that be GOD). I do like the blame game but it doesn't work as we cant put God in jail. I really dislike organized religions, they smell like AUTOMATIC CORRUPTION machinations (devil is in the details). So what to do about this Universe problem, as we are the EXPRESSION OF IT, we wont kill ourselves trying to define US? I know I am God as YOU yourself are the similar (not exact) but the same ole. I'm no more God than It is or You Are....How else is it defining itself other than through its obvious creations? Im microcosmic; my essence is IMMORTAL if Shakespeare/Dickens/Austen never existed to describe the human conundrum the human never would have EXISTED (at least not in print form just a brief idea on butterfly wings).



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 02:41 AM
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note to self:

1. vethumanbeing is the devil.

2. vethumanbeing is the antichrist.

3. jk lol no but seriously, I dont fully agree. its impossible to say "we are gods" because, imho, we cannot fully understand, or comprehend what a god is.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 03:07 AM
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originally posted by: 3n19m470
note to self:

1. vethumanbeing is the devil.

2. vethumanbeing is the antichrist.

3. jk lol no but seriously, I dont fully agree. its impossible to say "we are gods" because, imho, we cannot fully understand, or comprehend what a god is.

When I became cognizant, (about 3 years of age) I looked at myself in a mirror and said "that is me" I recognized myself. My next thought was 'why am I here and who are these things surrounding me'. I am not the devil because I don't recognize it as being so EXISTING, DO YOU?. I am not the antichrist as I do not have a basis for being Christ and have talked to him (actually) and we are different soul apparents. I do understand 'Christ Consciousness' and have great respect for the Eastern version of Vishna . You will never understand God Aspect until you recognize you are its foundation. You are its ULTIMATE as in its final breath: the human formation.

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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 03:24 AM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing

I suspect if you read the Nag Hammadi collection you will see that that is pretty much what Christ taught. Not the pun-together version of events the so-called 'holy fathers' wanted to teach - two different worlds sadly.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 03:27 AM
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originally posted by: 3n19m470
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3. jk lol no but seriously, I dont fully agree. its impossible to say "we are gods" because, imho, we cannot fully understand, or comprehend what a god is.


Yes one can. Here is the first clue "WHY AM I HERE?" Am I an accident of birth? did I plan this before incarntating; meaning this: did I have a game plan as to "in this incarnation what am I going to accomplish" and what is that purpose?
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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 03:43 AM
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originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: vethumanbeing

I suspect if you read the Nag Hammadi collection you will see that that is pretty much what Christ taught. Not the pun-together version of events the so-called 'holy fathers' wanted to teach - two different worlds sadly.

Yup, the righteous that were 'wrongest'; I would get rid of "King James" as official blow; and restart the truth with the backstabbing "The Book of Thomas the Contender" free for all (MMA aftermath). The Nag Hammadi Library needs to usurp any Christian philosophy/weird pragmatism. It at least tells a plausable truth *somewhat believable* (many books within the volume--invluding the riviting: Sophia, The gospel of Thomas, The Acts of Peter and the twelve apostles, The gospel of Philip, The teachings of Silvanus, and MORE. Here there are truths told. Thankyou Shiloh7.
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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 10:34 AM
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The Nag Hammadi Library needs to usurp any Christian philosophy/weird pragmatism.

Why?

We know that the texts of the Nag Hammadi Library post-date the books of the Bible by at least a hundred years, and we know where Gnostic Christianity originated from -- Valentinus, around the year 150AD, who was passed over for the office of Bishop of Rome (the Pope,) and, as a result, broke from the church to invent his own religion that had nothing to do with Christianity, apart from the central character.

Gnostic Christianity was the Scientology of the Second Century.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 07:14 PM
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originally posted by: adjensen
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing


VHB Nag Hammadi Library needs to usurp any Christian philosophy/weird pragmatism.




adjensen Why? We know that the texts of the Nag Hammadi Library post-date the books of the Bible by at least a hundred years, and we know where Gnostic Christianity originated from -- Valentinus, around the year 150AD, who was passed over for the office of Bishop of Rome (the Pope,) and, as a result, broke from the church to invent his own religion that had to do with Christianity, apart from the central character. Gnostic Christianity was the Scientology of the Second Century.


My understanding is the Nag Hammadi Library PRE-date the books of the bible by at least 100 years, your 150 AD would actually be 50 AD. As these are the 'dead sea scrolls' discovered in 1947 or so written by the Essenes of Qumran invaded in 72 AD by the Roman army (they fled long before this date having second sight as to seeing their fate). Jesus was an Essene as was John. Gnostic Christianity became in future the foundation for Rosicrusionism and Free Masonry; never Science-Stoolergy in the second century. Christianity as you know it was promoted to quell/appease the masses, it was a political maneuver best represented by Constantine in 300 AD.
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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing

Um, no, you're getting things confused.

Nag Hammadi are Gnostic Christian texts from the Second through Fourth Century.

You are referring to the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are Jewish texts, not Christian. It is believed that some of them are contemporary to the time of Christ, others are older. No, Jesus was not an Essene. John the Baptist might have been, but Christ was not -- Essenes were "hyper-Jews", ascetics that showed a slavish devotion to the Law that Jesus clearly did not.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 08:33 PM
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originally posted by: adjensen
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing

Um, no, you're getting things confused.
Nag Hammadi are Gnostic Christian texts from the Second through Fourth Century.
You are referring to the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are Jewish texts, not Christian. It is believed that some of them are contemporary to the time of Christ, others are older. No, Jesus was not an Essene. John the Baptist might have been, but Christ was not -- Essenes were "hyper-Jews", ascetics that showed a slavish devotion to the Law that Jesus clearly did not.


The dead sea scrolls are of course Jewish texts, though overlayed with Egyptian overtones. Yes contemporary to Jesus and YES JESUS was an Essene as well as was John. The Essenes were not "hyper-jews" at all, who said that?!. They were a separatist communal sect is all, women were equals to the male counterpoint, children were taught right along side adults the same mystery school knowledge; they all bathed in the same cistern etc. They were what we call the modern day hippies of that era (snicker). They were devout practitioners of the Egyption version of THOTHs Qabala. The Pharasee and Saduccee were frightened of them and coerced the Romans to destroy them (Qumran 72AD). Jesus was there from the ages of 14 to 19, afterwhich he joined Joseph of Aramethea ("tin precious medals trader"godfather ship owner) to travel seaboard to the UK region and India (how many holy years lost at sea? no letters home). This was the reason for the great disappearing act.
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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 10:02 PM
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The Essenes were not "hyper-jews" at all, who said that?

Um... history, as well as their own writings. You've obviously never read the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Why do you think that anyone is going to take you seriously when you don't even get the basic facts right?



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 10:44 PM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing

So Jesus is not God because WE are God? Wouldn't Jesus be God too then?
Darkness is not God. Jesus taught John that God is light and there is no darkness within him at all. THe flesh/body is not God only the holy spirit within us - the Love within.

It is important not to confuse the flesh with the spirit.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 02:55 AM
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Jesus is not god for four reasons


Only needs two.

1. He didn't exist.

2. There are no gods.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 03:26 AM
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No no no! Gentlmen please,

What is the crux of knowing? Is it knowing itself? The gnosis of us the rhelm of man is but an opiate if the now. We are fleeting blossoms on the stem? Know that we do such feast on the bussom of pre-knowledge of life? If he Jesus of nazareth did not yern for children with Mary Magdelene, at the same time see that the state and church was corrupt so he turned the tables on those mofos? And 4th Buddha Siddhedartha saw that the opulence of a bubble did not seal him from suffering of the common man? So brothers and sisters can we not meet on the plane and the mountaintop that Dr. Martin Luther King did not speak of as the place we must so journe to talk softly about the human revolution against the ills that shake us most, materialism, racism, and militarism? Brethren, I call to you, heed me now that is not the time for a fervent systematic clandestine undertaking of the best overthrow now?



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 04:27 AM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing

Our basis is the Bible. Jesus is God and He himself declared that he is the "I AM", the God of Moses.

Thus, this is the very reason why he was crucified by the Jews because of this blasphemy.



posted on Sep, 15 2014 @ 06:44 PM
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originally posted by: Cogito, Ergo Sum



Jesus is not god for four reasons


Only needs two.

1. He didn't exist.

2. There are no gods.

Well there is always that take on it all; and I don't disagree with you. I'm still not convinced he wasn't an "overlay" idea by 'others' that thought they knew better in how to 're-jump start' a horrible period in history (insert a potencial paradigm shift HERE).
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