Unknown disease kills eight people in Maracay, north Venezuela

a reply to: AlphaHawk

Well, my guess is that one you chose is a mistake on site! Someone probably posted about a case in Perth and automatically, it was associated with Perth, Aus.

Considering these Countries are developing Countries.... with terrible poverty, makes me think that whatever the virus is...even if it isn't ebola...it is another viral attack on a Country with poverty. Maybe a virus is better than a bomb? A virus could eradicate their population easily.

sad.... I am starting to believe that these viral incidences are part of a depopulation strategy.

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Obviously that's what happened.

My point is that whoever runs the site doesn't fact check very well.

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: Indigent

What the hell is going on with all these new Viruses??

We have altered our world all the way down to the nano-level -not just by adding over 80,000 synthetic chemicals to our environment, but by genetically altering bits and parts of DNA here and there. We're ripping open the earth for mineral deposits and tearing down virgin forests untouched for millions of years - and releasing ancient viruses.

Everything is mutating, evolving and adapting - and their adaptive evolution is accelerating. The situation has been talked about in scientific circles for a long time. This old thread has had the meat edited out of it by ATS "archivists," but some of the outline is still there.

Beyond Bird Flu: The Perfect Microbial Storm







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Sunday morning another one died, according to his sister the 40 y/o man was ok Thursday, in Saturday he asked for fever meds and he was coughing blood already

source (spanish)

The hospital is kept in custody by the national guard since Saturday

source

a reply to: Indigent

Sounds like some
kind of Pox. Monkey pox maybe?

Or more likely CIA Pox.

originally posted by: Rezlooper
Whether it is Ebola or not, it's just as damn bad as Ebola (according to symptoms) and it killed 8 people in South America over a couple of days. So what's the difference.

Rez, I was gonna say the same thing. And 'the unknown' is sometimes worse than the 'known.'

a reply to: Indigent

This is really an interesting story.
The doctor is being accused of a seditious act designed to
destabilise the government. The governor is saying the people
all died of other causes:
Text "saying one of the individuals died of poisoning, while three others perished
due to hypovolemic shock, cancer and skin infections. Autopsies showed that
a 12-year-old boy died of leukemia and a 64-year-old man succumbed to diabetes,
he added."

Neither the opposition or the government can be trusted there.
The news reports say that the cases came from different areas.
That doesn't seem likely, for an emrging disease. That is unless
it was deliberately introduced.

If this turns out to be true, its a perfect storm of negative factors.
Inflation was 63% in August. Protests are ongoing. The border with
Colonbia is under nighttime curfew(mostly because everyone is smuggling).
The government appears to be in denial, threatening to arrest the
reporting physician. Local news is not reporting the story at all.
This could be out of control very quickly.

IF TRUE...

a reply to: UMayBRite!

They all come from different areas but i think its confined to a city of 350sq miles in a country of 350k sq miles, Maracay is not even in top 5 important cities i think.

Currently there are reports of another case in the capital Caracas but from unreliable sources

Also the government threaten with legal actions to any news outlet covering the news, part of the media blackout you mention


Reports of an emergency room in a capital hospital close down after a patient was attended and died of similar symptoms

www.el-nacional.com...

It's the normal "let's cover it up until it's totally out of control" modis operandi. They learned well from the W. African nations.

hisz.rsoe.hu...

Updated: Tuesday, 16 September, 2014 at 03:38 UTC
Description
An unknown virus may be spreading within Venezuela's Aragua state, medical officials report; however, the state's governor denies these allegations and accuses the official of lying. According to the Venezuelan newspaper El Nacional, the crisis arose in Central Hospital of Maracay where personnel were seen with mouth covers. Social media began rumors about various deaths within the hospital caused by bacteria similar to Neisseria meningitides. Angel Sarmiento, president of Aragua Medical School, announced eight people died of the yet unidentified disease. He said it was not Ebola, meningitis, dengue, or chikungunya. He added that the victims were four children and four adults. The symptoms exhibited by the dead were spots on the body that turned to boils, high fever, massive hemorrhage stemming from smaller hemorrhagic incidents, and multi-organ failure. The disease took around 72 hours to run its course. "We don't know what we are confronting," Sarmiento said. "We don't know if it's a virus or bacteria. How can we heal what we don't know?" However, there may not be any disease to battle. The governor of Aragua, who is also the state's leader of the United Socialist Party of Venezuela, denies these Sarmiento's claims, according to the Latin American Herald Tribune. Governor Tarek el Aissami said, "I need to start by categorically denying the existence of some virus or bacteria on the premises of the Maracay Central Hospital that is putting the lives of patients at risk." Aragua's governor refuted Sarmiento's claim and called them a "terrorist matrix that has a basic purpose, which is to create alarm, anguish in Aragua's population." He added that the deceased died of different cause, including an old man dying of diabetes and one of the children from leukemia. "What you are is a criminal, who, irresponsibly using your status as a doctor, launched this campaign without finding out the facts, without investigating, and in these last few hours you've caused terrible anguish among the people of Aragua," el Aissami said about Sarmiento. The governor called on the Attorney General's office to investigate Sarmiento.

There is a report of 2 more deaths with similar symptoms

www.ntn24.com...

a reply to: UMayBRite!

This is a very big deal. There's even a picture on your link of the guy who died and how he broke out in blisters. He then hemorrhaged. The doctor says this is not Ebola. If not, then it's a bit more scary. Another unknown hemorrhagic fever breaking out in another part of the world doesn't spell good news. These disease outbreaks are happening at an alarmingly fast pace. Why? I theorized back in February of 2013 with a thread here at ATS that it has everything to do with methane gas.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Let's see...
Dengue Fever in Japan, first time in 70 years
Chikuchunga disease now spreading into Florida
West Nile Virus outbreak in Orange County, CA
West Nile Virus outbreak at Fort Hood ISD in Texas
The rare Enterovirus racing across the US infecting children
and these are just the headlines over the past few days. There are many more.

From my theory:

You may be asking yourself how diseases and pandemics have anything to do with dangerous gases and atmospheric heating. It’s simple really. There are various types of microbes that eat methane. They live deep underground and they live 30,000 feet into the air. Basically, they are everywhere and they feed off methane hydrates.

The theory goes something like this. The more methane increases it becomes a feeding frenzy for the microbes. What happens when these microbes have more than enough to eat? They multiply. As methane release escalates, there is naturally going to be a rapid increase in the microbes that feed.
Through the evolution of bacteria over millions of years you can expect that other species of bacteria can also experience growth. As one species of bacteria rapidly increases, others will follow. I propose in this theory that as the microbes continuously feed on the increased methane hydrates, other bacteria are following the lead, thus, literally thousands of species of bacteria and viruses are experiencing phenomenal growth all over the planet.

To back this idea up, let’s first take a look at what bacteria really are. Bacteria are made up of the same genetic stuff that we are, only we have our DNA stored in the nucleus of the cytoplasm of a cell, while bacteria DNA isn’t stored in the nucleus. Their DNA is stored in the cytoplasm without a nucleus and that gives way for genetic mutation. The bacteria are made up of a genetic material called plasmids, which are small ring-like structures that float in the cell. They are separate from the chromosomal DNA and each has a specific job. One plasmid will cause the production of a chemical which negates antibiotic a, while another plasmid will cause the production of a chemical which negates antibiotic b. Then there is horizontal and vertical transfer of the plasmids to other bacteria. Vertical transfer is when a bacterium transfers the plasmid through its offspring, but it’s the horizontal transfer that may be responsible for the rapid rise in disease. This is when a plasmid replicates itself independently of the host cell and a single bacterium transfers a copy of that plasmid to every bacterium within range, and this includes bacterium of another species.

I hate to say it, but...this may only keep getting worse.

A 5 years old child died in Vargas (northern state near maracay) of same symptoms, a 28y/o man is interned with symptoms in maracay, this kid makes 11 in less than a week, nothing yet about what it is.

Spanish source

Only local paper cover the story and with fear as the government threatened with legal actions to the ones reporting on this, In a week i presume if this continue they will not be able to cover it up.

a reply to: Indigent

I saw this in the comments of one of the articles:
Source

(Translation)There is an endemic virus in Venezuela called "Guanarito" in Creole or FHV (Hemorrhagic Fever Venezolana) as designated scientifically in 1989 by the international medical community, it is registered with the CDC (Center for Disease Control) in the USA, in epidemiological centers in France and even in Wikipedia, but NOT ONCE has been mentioned by the national media nor by the spokespersons of the various medical colleges of Aragua, Carabobo, Miranda and much less the state regime.

Existe un virus endémico de Venezuela llamado el "Guanarito" en criollo o FHV (Fiebre Hemorrágica Venezolana) como bautizado científicamente en 1989 por la comunidad médica internacional, el mismo está registrado en la CDC (Center for Disease Control) de los EEUU, en centros epimediológicos en Francia y hasta en Wikipedia, mas NO se ha nombrado UNA SOLA VEZ por los medios nacionales como tampoco por los voceros de los diferentes colegios médicos del estado Aragua, Carabobo, Miranda y menos del régimen.

However, further investigation makes me think that the reported cases are not this disease.

I found the following description:
Abstract
An outbreak of severe haemorrhagic illness began in the municipality of Guanarito, Portuguesa State, Venezuela, in September, 1989. Subsequent detailed study of 15 cases confirmed the presence of a new viral disease, designated Venezuelan haemorrhagic fever. Characteristic features are fever, toxicity, headache, arthralgia, diarrhoea, conjunctivitis, pharyngitis, leucopenia, thrombocytopenia, and haemorrhagic manifestations. Other features include facial oedema, cervical lymphadenopathy, nausea/vomiting, cough, chest or abdominal pain, and convulsions. The patients ranged in age from 6 to 54 years; all were residents of rural areas in central Venezuela, and 9 died. Infection with Guanarito virus, a newly recognised arenavirus, was shown by direct culture or by serological confirmation in all cases. Epidemiological studies suggest that the disease is endemic in some rural areas of central Venezuela and that it is rodent-borne. Venezuelan haemorrhagic fever has many similarities to Lassa fever and to the arenavirus haemorrhagic fevers that occur in Argentina and Bolivia.

Based on this, the reported disease doesn't match the symptoms and is something different, possibly new.

I don't understand why the government deny that there is a problem? What are they going to do if it starts spreading? they cant continue to cover it up, can they?

link

a reply to: Lady_Tuatha


Source

Health Examiner, Rafael Orihuela, speculates that the deaths may
be the result of simultaneous infections with
Dengue and Chikungkunya. This may be grasping at straws.

I remember reading that its rare for this to happen
as any difference in infection timing means one virus
gets blocked.

I found another story( I lost the link, though) where there is a national
meeting of health ministers called for Thursday. Even
though they are denying a problem, they are proceeding as if there were.

Dengue fever also known as breakbone fever, is a mosquito-borne

i thought they wiped out the mosquito part,, in the erradication of Dengue fever??

made the females sterile,,,a genetic thing.

a reply to: BobAthome

Dengue fever is spreading globally.

First Dengue Fever in Japan in 70 years shows global spread through travel

A nasty outbreak in Japan right now and the first in 70 years. Dengue is very active in third world tropical nations.

There now are more than 50 to 100 million cases of dengue worldwide each year, and 3 billion people live in dengue endemic countries, according to the World Health Organization. Dengue, transmitted by the bite of an infected mosquito, can’t be spread directly from person to person. It causes flu-like symptoms, joint pain and high fevers.

This outbreak in Venezuela is most likely not Dengue Fever because it's not this lethal and the blisters seem uncharacteristic.

A potentially lethal complication called severe dengue -- or dengue hemorrhagic fever -- can also cause abdominal pain, persistent vomiting, bleeding and breathing difficulty. With proper medical care and early recognition, case-fatality rates are below 1 percent, the WHO said.

a reply to: Rezlooper

Dengue can be lethal, Venezuela have around 2000 cases a month and we know when something is not dengue.