these words SHOULD make you believe...

i just watched a show on the history channel about "the grey agenda" and it talked about the first ever regular citizen encounter with UFOs and aliens. the couple was barney and someone (and inter-racial couple, just in case ATSers want to check if i am wrong) were abducting by a UFO. now this should make you believe:

before this abduction, the concept of UFOs and aliens WAS NEVER "INVENTED". the best thing that could fly back then was an airplane. how can someone think of something that doesn't even exist??? this couple thought of UFOs and aliens and the most advanced thing they had back then was the airplane...

i can think of a super-fast square object NOW because we HAVE UFOs and fast things NOW, so this thing i just thought of is just a "making better" of a past thing (it is confusing but i will explain more if you want).

back then, they just had airplanes so how could they "make better" a plane with such a "great leap" by going from a plane to a UFO???

any thoughts???

I saw the special tonight. Barney and Betty Hill. its one of the most famous abduction stories ever.

Originally posted by circumcized_midget
I saw the special tonight. Barney and Betty Hill. its one of the most famous abduction stories ever.

yupp...

the first ever...

how can i think (or make up) of something that is so advanced (from back then)???

ALSO what got me was:

the lady (betty) is NOW about 70-80 and if she WAS lying WHY would she continue this lie to her death???

i am assuming she is a christian and religious and christians cannot lie...

she is an old lady now, what does she care about being famous???

that lady died few months ago, there was a thread bout her.. she also drew sum star map.. & scientists/astronemers whoever, discovered those stars years later

Originally posted by they see ALL
i just watched a show on the history channel about "the grey agenda" and it talked about the first ever regular citizen encounter with UFOs and aliens. the couple was barney and someone (and inter-racial couple, just in case ATSers want to check if i am wrong) were abducting by a UFO. now this should make you believe:

before this abduction, the concept of UFOs and aliens WAS NEVER "INVENTED". the best thing that could fly back then was an airplane. how can someone think of something that doesn't even exist???

Actually ufo sightings and abduction reports really got started when science fiction writers started talking and writing about it. As the popular media changed, the perception of aliens changed along with it.

Yeh...i reckon she was telling the truth...

Actually UFOs have been recorded, reported, and painted throughout history. Do you really think that the Chariot of Fire mentioned in the Bible was a Chariot on fire magically decending to the earth to pick up Elijah? There are some good posts here on ATS regarding UFOs through history as well as the first paintings of Greys, etc. Do a search and read up, you will enjoy them.

Originally posted by they see ALL
i just watched a show on the history channel about "the grey agenda" and it talked about the first ever regular citizen encounter with UFOs and aliens. the couple was barney and

Barney and Betty Hill, one of the most famous abductions ever. I agree, it's very interesting, things she drew, star maps she knew. I believe her for one. However, I doubt that they were the first ever encounter. the history channel also has a show about ufos and the biblical times, its very interesting. I think they've been coming for a while now.

Originally posted by they see ALL

before this abduction, the concept of UFOs and aliens WAS NEVER "INVENTED".

Umm, UFOs of one type or another have been recorded about as long as written history. From the "airships" of the 1800's to Kenneth Arnold's original "saucer" sighting of 1947, advanced flying ships have been allegedly seen. Not to mention science fiction. Jules Verne wrote about a projectile to the moon in 1865. The 1950's were the golden age of science fiction. Any number of craft and aliens were depicted in the books and movies in the decade before the Hills' experience.

Here's a link to an interesting article on the cultural references found in sightings and abduction cases.
www.debunker.com...

Is this the same story you heard?

Betty & Barney Hill

Late on the night of 19th September, 1961, 41 year old child welfare worker Betty Hill and her 39 year old husband Barney were travelling home after a pleasant vacation in Southern Canada. They were travelling along Interstate Route 3, which cuts through the White Mountain of New Hampshire on the long journey home to New England. For quite a while the Hills had been puzzled by the 'white star' that had seemed to be tailing them. Barney, being sceptical by nature, thought it may be a plane heading towards Montreal. Traffic was very scare on the highway, and the couple decided to stop to allow their dog, Delsey, to have some exercise.

It was now close to midnight and , as Betty walked the dog off the side of the road, Barney used binoculars to study the strange light more carefully.

After a few minutes further into their journey, Barney felt the sudden urge to stop and leave the car. They were near an isolated spot called Indian Head, and ignoring Betty's cries to return to the car, Barney walked deeper into the roadside tree cover, staring ahead at the white light in the sky. It became apparent to Barney that the strange light was a UFO. It had a shape described by both witnesses as like a pancake or a banana, and Barney was sure he could see figures standing against a large picture window in front of the spacecraft. Barney lowered the binoculars from his eyes and shouted 'I don't believe this!', then muttered something about a military helicopter playing tricks on them, then screamed out loud 'They're going to capture us!' with that, he fled back to the car. The couple then sped off southwards to begin the drive down from the mountains. Further down the road, the Hills heard a strange 'beeping', a sound which, years later the Hills would describe as similar to a microwave oven. A second 'beeping' noise followed by a bump, and then everything returned back to normal.

So it could be Military, Secret Military of course but Military.

The morning after they arrived home, the Hills noticed some problems with their car. The vehicle had strange blotches where the paint had been removed, revealing bare metal. Betty's sister suggested that they should see if the spots were magnetized. She asked this because she also had experienced a UFO before, and had read that UFOs could stall car engines. Using a hand-held compass, they discovered that the compass needle swung wildly over the blotched areas of the car, suggesting that these spots, were indeed magnetized.

Well, that little section there shoots some holes into the idea that "UFO's and Alien's had never been invented yet."

Distressed, the couple decided to ring the nearby Pease Air Force Base to report their experience with the UFO. They were told nothing at the time, but documents researched 20 years later report of a similar UFO being reported at the base on September 20th at 2.15 a.m. in the morning.

Again there is another clue of a Nearby Military Base.

The Hills also decided to report their encounter to a national UFO group. UFOlogist and astronomer Walter Webb visited the Hills on 21st of October, and set in motion what was to become one of the most remarkable investigations in UFO history.

Barney was worried, because he could not explain the scuff marks on his shoes, as if he had been dragged roughly along the ground, and he was also suffering from an extremely painful back. On 30th September, Betty began to have a series of recurring nightmares that lasted for several nights. In them she would see horrible faces with cat-like eyes that belonged to creatures intent on kidnapping her and her husband. One fact that emerged during Walter Webbs investigation was that, during the Hills journey, they could not account for two hours of time, or 55km of their route. By Spring 1962, the Hills problems were still evident and they were regularly seeking medical advice to relieve them of their mental torment.

The Military has been known to use Hypnosis and implanting suggestions of Aliens as a way to cover up what they do to people. The reason is that people would often become aware to 'Missing Time' and try to figure out where that time had gone. So instead of leaving that blank spot in someones head which might later be remembered, they would fill in that spot with a Story using Hypnotic Suggestion. That way even if someone started to recall where that time had gone, they would still only recall a false story. (Just another theory ya know. I'm not trying to say one way or the other.)

Finally they were referred to psychiatrist Dr. Benjamin Simon in Boston. He recommended them to undergo regression as a way to free their subconscious minds of whatever was causing the problems. From the start, the emotional impact of that September night was obvious. Although both Betty and Barney were regressed seperately, a number of images surfaced from their subconscious minds that were remarkably similar. The Hills' response under hypnosis undoubtedly shook Dr Simon. On several occasions staff had to help him restrain Barney while he relived the events of that night and fought to escape the aliens that he visualised.

According to the evidence retrieved through these sessions, the UFO had landed beside the road, and rendered the Hills' semi-conscious. The couple were then taken against their will aboard the craft by small beings with whitish skin and large cat-like eyes (similar to greys). Once on board, the couple were seperated and both given medical examinations. Barney had semen extracted by a suction device, while Betty had to endure a large needle being stuck into her abdomen. Other samples such as nail and hair clippings were also taken. The aliens also appeared fascinated by the differences between the couple. Barney, who was Ethiopian by birth, had dark skin.

After the tests, Betty was shown around the UFO where she attempted to persuade what seemed to be the group's leader to allow her to take away a book as proof of their adventure, but this was denied.

So, was that regression therapy story what really happened or was it just a cover story that was planted in their heads???

One thing that sceptics cannot explain is, Betty could draw a detailed sketch of the star system Zeta Reticuli which is in the Reticulum constellation, 6 years before astronomers even discovered it?

WOW!! I wonder if she also knew where K-PAX was located??
Seriously though, that's pretty crazy if that's true!!

This case has become a landmark case in UFO folklore. The importance of the Hills' abduction experience cannot be overemphasized. It changed the world of UFOlogy forever.

EDIT: Sorry, I forgot the link.....Here ya go:
www.ufos-aliens.co.uk...


[edit on 6-12-2004 by mOjOm]

dat is so OLD mOjOm, yes it is TRUE

[edit on 6-12-2004 by Kal]

Here is a great site about UFO's in old and ancient art work.
The one called "Madonna with saint giovannino" is my favorite.
Makes you wonder how all these people from 5 and 6 hundreds years ago knew what a flying saucer looked like.
www.ufoartwork.com...

Originally posted by they see ALL

how can i think (or make up) of something that is so advanced (from back then)???

there are many people throughout history who've managed to think up things no one else has ever dreamed of. nikola tesla comes to mind, though some say he was one of THEM if you get my meaning... dfh out.

damn..

i guess i was wrong about some things...

anyway, this case started it all in america...

this is very interesting and mOjOm made a very good post...