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Do Aliens Extract Blood From Humans Regularly? My Take On Abductions

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posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Uggielicious

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: Uggielicious
a reply to: OrionsGem

Your question posits a reality that does not exist because there is no evidence to support that reality. You first have to prove that aliens exist and are interacting with us on a physical level and treating humans like test animals. Also there is no evidence of abductions. All that is driving the alien abduction profit interest is hearsay, tales created by certain humans and promoted by other profit-minded humans.

That's my take on alien abductions.

However, you can prove me and all naysayers wrong by providing just one evidential fact and/or evidence.


Welcome. I have been waiting for you.
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From wikipedia:
["Rules of evidence govern whether, when, how, and for what purpose, proof of a legal case may be placed before a trier of fact for consideration.

Prevailing in court requires a good understanding of the rules of evidence in the given venue. The rules vary depending upon whether the venue is a criminal court, civil court or family court, and they vary by jurisdiction. One reason to have a lawyer, among others, is that he or she should be familiar with the rules of evidence. If one were allowed simply to tell the court what one knew to be the truth, and how one knew it, one might prevail. However, the rules of evidence may prohibit one from presenting one's story just as one likes.[citation needed]

Some important rules involve relevance, privilege, witnesses, opinions, expert testimony, hearsay, authenticity, identification and rules of physical evidence."]


Rules of evidence pertaining to law have nothing to do with anything outside of the legal system.
Outside of the legal system, fact is the purview of science and requires testable evidence. I think you're asking for testable evidence.


I appreciate what you say but I was using a legal definition as a catch-all for claims. If a claim is made, it has to be validated with evidence. Evidence has to be testable.




posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 12:30 AM
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originally posted by: Uggielicious

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Uggielicious

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: Uggielicious
a reply to: OrionsGem

Your question posits a reality that does not exist because there is no evidence to support that reality. You first have to prove that aliens exist and are interacting with us on a physical level and treating humans like test animals. Also there is no evidence of abductions. All that is driving the alien abduction profit interest is hearsay, tales created by certain humans and promoted by other profit-minded humans.

That's my take on alien abductions.

However, you can prove me and all naysayers wrong by providing just one evidential fact and/or evidence.


Welcome. I have been waiting for you.
.....




From wikipedia:
["Rules of evidence govern whether, when, how, and for what purpose, proof of a legal case may be placed before a trier of fact for consideration.

Prevailing in court requires a good understanding of the rules of evidence in the given venue. The rules vary depending upon whether the venue is a criminal court, civil court or family court, and they vary by jurisdiction. One reason to have a lawyer, among others, is that he or she should be familiar with the rules of evidence. If one were allowed simply to tell the court what one knew to be the truth, and how one knew it, one might prevail. However, the rules of evidence may prohibit one from presenting one's story just as one likes.[citation needed]

Some important rules involve relevance, privilege, witnesses, opinions, expert testimony, hearsay, authenticity, identification and rules of physical evidence."]


Rules of evidence pertaining to law have nothing to do with anything outside of the legal system.
Outside of the legal system, fact is the purview of science and requires testable evidence. I think you're asking for testable evidence.


I appreciate what you say but I was using a legal definition as a catch-all for claims. If a claim is made, it has to be validated with evidence. Evidence has to be testable.



Hi Uggie, Would love to hear your reply to my last post. You are very interesting to talk to..

OG

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posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 12:44 AM
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originally posted by: OrionsGem

Now it has always been my suspicion that some health conditions may be related to this, especiually ones that researchers still havent been able to find causes for namely CFS and Fibromyalgia.

Think about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome....so many people have it lately.

Every single symptom of CFS is identical to symptoms of blood loss and low blood levels.


i'm just going to address this particular part of your post, as others are addressing the larger part of the argument.

chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) and fibromyalgia are essentially diagnoses you get when you display a certain number of known symptoms, and when all other possible diagnoses that would explain those symptoms have been ruled out. that these illnesses could merely be "blood loss" is extremely unlikely, as this would be noticed in the initial "what is causing these symptoms?" process of obtaining a diagnosis.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 12:48 AM
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originally posted by: asilvahalo

originally posted by: OrionsGem

Now it has always been my suspicion that some health conditions may be related to this, especiually ones that researchers still havent been able to find causes for namely CFS and Fibromyalgia.

Think about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome....so many people have it lately.

Every single symptom of CFS is identical to symptoms of blood loss and low blood levels.


i'm just going to address this particular part of your post, as others are addressing the larger part of the argument.

chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) and fibromyalgia are essentially diagnoses you get when you display a certain number of known symptoms, and when all other possible diagnoses that would explain those symptoms have been ruled out. that these illnesses could merely be "blood loss" is extremely unlikely, as this would be noticed in the initial "what is causing these symptoms?" process of obtaining a diagnosis.


Oh really is that so? So based on what your saying, checking actual blood levels is standard procedure for CFS diagnosis?

What if the fatigue occurs while the body is regenerating the blood back up to normal levels? How fast does the body regenerate blood? This would be hard to detect I would suspect. Especially if the ETs draw the blood in the middle of the night, by morning time the body may have replenished the blood, but is still essentially exhausted from the process, hence the diagnosis of CFS.

What say you?
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posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 12:49 AM
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originally posted by: OrionsGem
Dear Tangerine and Ugly: There is nothing im going to be "proving" to you today, as my OP is purely speculative.

Now when Ugly says something like "I know that ALL alleged abductions are created for profit " then I would like to ask how he "knows"

Would be very difficult for someone who "has no belief system"

Now heres something that will help you think better:

using your logic:

the Bible is printed purely for profit since there is no proof of the existence of god.
the Koran is printed purely for profit since there is no proof of the existence of god.
Exorcisms are performed purely for profit because there is no proof of demons.
The posts you are making on this thread are purely for profit because there is no proof you are correct.
Prayer is done for profit, since no proof exists that prayer works.

The list goes on and on. Its laughable how someone like you asks for proof on what is a clearly a highly speculative thread, made about a highly controversial and often disputed topic of alien abduction. But please continue to ask for proof, perhaps I can arrange a skype session for you with an ET race of your choice. Would have to be tomorrow since most humaniod types still follow the circadian cycle, altho some bird like entities may be "night owls"

I will have to see whos online.

Will be back with definitive proof of alien existence.

PS: Dont hold your breath. Thanks.

OG



It doesn't help your distorted view of our reality by insulting me. My name member is uggielicious, please address me as that.

What do you mean to say with this sentence: "Would be very difficult for someone who "has no belief system" It does sound like you don't know what a belief system is and that when you realize that you have a belief system it can be shed with knowledge.

There is no historical evidence to support the reality of gods. Gods were manmade creations. Gods exist because the belief system is at work in its worst manifestation. Therefore, common sense dictates that all religions are in it for the money.

US Catholic Church a $170 billion business- MSN Money
money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=1a685537-b674...
MSN Money
Mar 14, 2013

I know that asking for evidence about the subject matter under discussion in a public forum such as this one is really a waste of time. But the majority of the members are believers and this forum as well as almost all forums in similar subjects just want their belief validated and to hell with evidence.

One has to wonder how it is that the planet is almost full of believers that life goes on as if our reality wasn't an illusion for you have to imagine what human life would be like if believers were in the minority and common sense, logic and reason prevailed. We would be leaps ahead of where we are now.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 12:52 AM
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a reply to: OrionsGem
Blood tests can determine things like that.

That's why blood donors have blood tests before giving blood. If you are tired because your blood is being sucked, blood tests will show it.

BTW, you have to wait 4 months between blood donations to make sure you don't "get tired."

edit on 9/12/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 12:54 AM
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originally posted by: Uggielicious

originally posted by: OrionsGem
Dear Tangerine and Ugly: There is nothing im going to be "proving" to you today, as my OP is purely speculative.

Now when Ugly says something like "I know that ALL alleged abductions are created for profit " then I would like to ask how he "knows"

Would be very difficult for someone who "has no belief system"

Now heres something that will help you think better:

using your logic:

the Bible is printed purely for profit since there is no proof of the existence of god.
the Koran is printed purely for profit since there is no proof of the existence of god.
Exorcisms are performed purely for profit because there is no proof of demons.
The posts you are making on this thread are purely for profit because there is no proof you are correct.
Prayer is done for profit, since no proof exists that prayer works.

The list goes on and on. Its laughable how someone like you asks for proof on what is a clearly a highly speculative thread, made about a highly controversial and often disputed topic of alien abduction. But please continue to ask for proof, perhaps I can arrange a skype session for you with an ET race of your choice. Would have to be tomorrow since most humaniod types still follow the circadian cycle, altho some bird like entities may be "night owls"

I will have to see whos online.

Will be back with definitive proof of alien existence.

PS: Dont hold your breath. Thanks.

OG



It doesn't help your distorted view of our reality by insulting me. My name member is uggielicious, please address me as that.

What do you mean to say with this sentence: "Would be very difficult for someone who "has no belief system" It does sound like you don't know what a belief system is and that when you realize that you have a belief system it can be shed with knowledge.

There is no historical evidence to support the reality of gods. Gods were manmade creations. Gods exist because the belief system is at work in its worst manifestation. Therefore, common sense dictates that all religions are in it for the money.

US Catholic Church a $170 billion business- MSN Money
money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=1a685537-b674...
MSN Money
Mar 14, 2013

I know that asking for evidence about the subject matter under discussion in a public forum such as this one is really a waste of time. But the majority of the members are believers and this forum as well as almost all forums in similar subjects just want their belief validated and to hell with evidence.

One has to wonder how it is that the planet is almost full of believers that life goes on as if our reality wasn't an illusion for you have to imagine what human life would be like if believers were in the minority and common sense, logic and reason prevailed. We would be leaps ahead of where we are now.


Why are you still here if this is a waste of your time? Are you still waiting for the ET skype session? , my view of reality is my own, and IMO not distorted at all. Your thinly veiled insults are not only obvious but unnecessary implying I have no common sense and logic is not very nice. As far as the Ugly thing, I really thought that's what it said, sorry about that, and you will see that I corrected this in later posts.

Again, asking for hard proof on a thread that is pure speculation and located in the aliens and ufos section of a CONSPIRACY site...well I will let others be the judge of who's view of reality is distorted=)


OG



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 12:55 AM
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a reply to: OrionsGem



Again, asking for hard proof on a thread that is pure speculation and located in the aliens and ufos section of a CONSPIRACY site...well I will let others be the judge of who's view of reality is distorted=)

It's the wrong forum. You were looking for Skunk Works or Grey Area. Those are the pure speculation forums.


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posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 12:57 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: OrionsGem
Blood tests can determine things like that.

That's why blood donors have blood tests before giving blood. If you are tired because your blood is being sucked, blood tests will show it.

BTW, you have to wait 4 months between blood donations to make sure you don't "get tired."


Blood donors have blood tests to ensure they arent being abducted and sucked dry before donating blood? Please elaborate.

Really does it take 4 months before your body regenerates your blood levels back to normal? Thats crazy! I felt better after drinking a sugary soda about 30 min and I was fine....but who knows maybe your right, Im not a medical professional but I do play one on television...

OG



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 12:58 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: OrionsGem



Again, asking for hard proof on a thread that is pure speculation and located in the aliens and ufos section of a CONSPIRACY site...well I will let others be the judge of who's view of reality is distorted=)

It's the wrong forum. You were looking for Skunk Works or Grey Area. Those are the pure speculation forums.



Why thank you, so very helpful, mods are welcome to move it if they see fit. Again tho, if this person read my OP they would see its highly speculative regardless of what section its in, so not sure what you are implying here Phage.

OG



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:00 AM
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a reply to: OrionsGem



Blood donors have blood tests to ensure they arent being abducted and sucked dry before donating blood?

No. People complaining of chronic fatigue have blood tests. Blood tests which would reveal if the cause of their fatigue was anemia. Just as blood donors are tested to ensure that they do not suffer from anemia (among other things).

Think about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome....so many people have it lately.

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posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:02 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: OrionsGem



Blood donors have blood tests to ensure they arent being abducted and sucked dry before donating blood?

No. People complaining of chronic fatigue have blood tests. Blood tests which would reveal if the cause of their fatigue was anemia.

Think about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome....so many people have it lately.


Ah i see, are you in the medical field by any chance? You could really lend some expertise to this thread...

OG



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:03 AM
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a reply to: OrionsGem

Sure.
In my opinion, chronic fatigue syndrome is not the result of blood sucking aliens. There is no evidence that it is.


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posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:06 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: OrionsGem

Sure.
In my opinion, chronic fatigue syndrome is not the result of blood sucking aliens.


Perhaps not the syndrome itself but just a general sense of tiredness...It was my thought that some cases of Chupacabra Syndrome could be misdiagnosed as CFS.

Also, could you quote with your replies? Im sometimes unsure which post of mine you are replying to. Thanks.

OG



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:07 AM
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a reply to: OrionsGem
If it's the post immediately following, it's a reply to the post immediately preceding.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:08 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: OrionsGem
If it's the post immediately following, it's a reply to the post immediately preceding.



But what If Ive made 2 posts in a row? What is this sorcery!



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:09 AM
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a reply to: OrionsGem

No.
It's the innernet



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:09 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: OrionsGem

Sure.
In my opinion, chronic fatigue syndrome is not the result of blood sucking aliens. There is no evidence that it is.



So you are a medical professional then? In what field may I ask?



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:11 AM
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No. You can't.

15). Posting: You will not Post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate. You will not solicit personal information from any member. You will not use information gathered from this website to harass, abuse or harm other people.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:15 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: OrionsGem
Blood tests can determine things like that.

That's why blood donors have blood tests before giving blood. If you are tired because your blood is being sucked, blood tests will show it.

BTW, you have to wait 4 months between blood donations to make sure you don't "get tired."


I knew that 4 month number seemed off...perhaps you should have done more than one google search before presenting something as fact...


National Kidney and Transplant Institute It takes the body 24 - 48 hours to replace the plasma portion that is about 80% water and 3 - 5 weeks to replace the red cells. Donors are encouraged to drink plenty of non-alcoholic fluid before and following the donation to assist the replacement process. Also, regular and frequent donors should eat plenty of iron-containing foods (ex. meat).



Different components of human blood are replaced at different rates. According to the AABB, a non-profit organization that represents organizations that conduct blood transfusions, plasma is replaced within a few hours of a blood donation while the red blood cells take a few weeks to replace. Doctors usually only remove about one pint of blood during a transfusion, which represents about 10 percent of the total blood volume.

According to Palomar Community College, human blood contains approximately 4,000 different components. These are replaced on a regular basis by different processes in the body. For example, bone marrow produces stem cells which in turn produce red blood cells. Red blood cells live for about 4 months before they are removed and recycled by the spleen. White blood cells, by contrast, only last an average of 18 to 36 hours before they are removed. Occasional white blood cells last for up to 1 year before they are removed. Platelets, which help to form clots, only survive about 10 days before they are removed from the blood stream.

People are usually able to donate blood every 56 days. Blood donations are an important component of health care systems because to date, no synthetic substitute exists, according to the AABB.

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The 4 month mark you mentioned relates to red blood cell life cycle...however it seems that the majority of the blood volume (80%plasma) is replaced far quicker, 24 to 48 hours.

Blood donations 56 days apart are less than half of your 4 months time...

But what do I know, I just play a surgeon on television.

OG




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