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I've come to realize most of you only want to protect your ability to be a jerk

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posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 11:31 PM
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originally posted by: theMediator

originally posted by: snarky412
Then you deny being a Dem and here you are stating the opposite!!
Talk about nuts!!!!!!!


I thought the concept of not liking right wingers yet not being a democrat was pretty simple.
Seems hard to comprehend for right wingers if I'm counting the number of stars you got for such an idiotic stance.

But many things seems out of your grasp, can't blame you.



If you read my previous posts, I'm an Independent

Can't stand either party, there really is no difference between them
All they both do is bitch and whine about the others, thinking that they are right and the others are wrong

However, when one says that they are not a Dem and then turns around and says that they are a left-winger and don't like the right, well, to me that's nuts




www.abovetopsecret.com...


This isn't about party's but ideologies and leanings. I'm a lefty and I'm ranting about the right... what's difficult about this?


www.abovetopsecret.com...

And I don't care about 'stars', merely stating my opinion, God forbid
Maybe others can see through that BS as well by clicking a 'star' in agreement

Not much to grasp there alright...




Oh, and this is priceless:



Do you realize you are actually seeing words in my OP that do not exist?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Umm, okaaaaay



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posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 12:32 AM
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You are absolutely right OP. The only thing you did not do was add your side to the list. I see the behavior you talk about from all sides. It is called hypocrisy. Right, left, up, down, diagonal. People on all sides complain when the other side does it. Then they go out and do the same thing. Again.... EVERY SIDE DOES IT. Then cries when the other side does it. Over and over this happens.

I am beginning to think people on here have gold fish memory. Do people just read or write a post. Then immediately forget it. You can call them out on it. But they just ignore you and keep on doing it. It is getting super annoying. Everyone just wants to be right infallibly. Everyone who is like them is good. Everyone who is not like them is bad. There is no middle ground. It is quite sad. In the end. No one is going to win. Except the ones encouraging the divide and conquer mind set that is prevalent in the world of today.

I know there are a lot of smart people on all sides that see and understand this is happening. They just do not care anymore. Being seen as correct and the winner is more important. What better are we then the elitists we condemn. From what I have learned, by observing the behavior of people on this site. Most of us, if we were in charge of the world. Would do the exact same things those who are in charge now do. We would just favor what we consider our team. Its all one big self identifying issue. We need that outer source, that team to define us. We are scared to look within. In the end. Were all just frightened children. Looking for mommy and daddy.




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posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:42 AM
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I made a very very poor rant on this like 4 years ago I think. I actually don't disagree Kali. I won't blanket all, but I see so much hypocrisy in the right's ideology it just makes me ill

But here's the rub. There is no possible way to sit back and pretend the left is innocent in all of this. I am pretty darn hardcore left and I still believe we have a long way to go as far as progress, but some of the left's ideals seem a bit weird to me too.

It really comes down to this laughable issue (and know please I am not talking directly to you Kali) where both sides spit on the other, then get offended that THEY themselves get spit on, then go on a tirade about how the other side spits all the while ignoring the fact that they do the exact same thing

Both 'sides' left/right and center need to grow up and work together. I'm not asking for a total balance, I just would love to see honest and equal chance at representation. Of course the problem is both sides are filled with people and people are idiots

but yes I do agree with the many hypocrisies you pointed out...just saying all sides are guilty



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:46 AM
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I'm with you. I hate the Democratic party too. But the right makes me a special kind of nauseous.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 02:18 AM
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originally posted by: Kali74
Yes right-wingers, I'm talking to you.

No offense intended Kali, but I stopped reading after that.

At what point will we realize that by attacking each other, we are only serving TPTB's divide and rule agenda?

The end result is we are all distracted from the real forces that are tearing society apart.


Would-be global rulers cannot physically control six and a half billion humans. Therefore, they must use secrecy and deceit. Keep the human herd ignorant and fighting with each other. Divide and conquer – it’s the oldest tactic in the book. And it’s relatively easy if you control the major academic institutions, the political parties and the major mass media (a mere five multinational corporations with interlocking directorships today control everything we see and hear. Jim Marrs

www.examiner.com...

For far too long, Americans have been told they exist only as members of warring camps—as Republican or Democrat, red state or blue, conservative or liberal, right or left, religious or secular, urban or rural, majority, minority and even minority/majority. It’s no coincidence that we are described by these labels—as if these labels defined us—by elites who alone stand to benefit from the very divisions they promote.

If they can convince the rest of us that we are at each other’s throats, on the verge of civil strife, these elites can make us believe our own neighbors are our enemies and that we have nothing in common but our hatred of each other.

By herding us into these warring camps, by pitting us against one another, these elites can also distract us from the real forces tearing this society apart—the unaccountable, irresponsible political establishment that now presumes to govern in our name, with no concern for anything but its own interests. By sowing these seeds of distrust, they divide and conquer, and for too long, they have succeeded.

Break the Left vs. Right Paradigm

Dr. Sutton believes the "left" versus "right" split is fraudulent and used to control the debate and condition citizens to think along certain lines. Left-wing magazines like the "The Nation" and "The New Republic" and right-wing magazines like "The National Review were "artificially set up." The former were financed by Whitney money while the latter by Buckley. Both are "The Order."

Dr. Sutton states: "Sooner or later people will wake up. First we have to dump the trap of right and left. This is a Hegelian trap to divide and control. The battle is not between right and left; it is between us and them." Similarly, in the international field left and right political structures are artificially constructed and collapsed in the drive for one-world synthesis, i.e. authoritarian socialism controlled by monopoly capital. College textbooks present war and revolution as accidental results of conflicting forces. This is nonsense, says Dr. Sutton. They are created and financed by Wall Street to create a new world order. But you won't read this in history books.

THE BATTLE IS NOT BETWEEN LEFT AND RIGHT



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 04:45 AM
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Right wing?

Left wing?

Darned racist...

I only have paws...

Kindest respects

Rodinus



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 04:56 AM
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originally posted by: Kali74
Yes right-wingers, I'm talking to you. Phil Robertson, gay wedding cakes, mass shootings, killer cops, the government's evil (to which I agree but differently than you), the cops are good guys, racism, sexism, domestic violence and the word hypocrisy being thrown around like a loaded water balloon... I've absorbed enough to warrant a rant IMHO.

Free market you say! Freedom to run your business as you choose you say! And oh how you mean it, you really, really think you mean it. You don't. Why? Because as soon as someone's fired for being an asshole publicly, you seem to think bosses and owners no longer have the right to run their business as they choose. Instead...

You want no repercussions for being a racist or a sexist or a bigot.

Individuals you say! Right to live as you choose you say! Government's too big you say! You really, really think you mean this too. But, you don't. Why? Because what you actually want is a tyrannical government run by people who think the same way you do. Government's only too big because it includes people different from you.

You want to be able to live as you choose, but if gays want to get married or let's really be honest here... exist... your heads explode. And then we're back to bosses and owners being able to run their businesses as they choose. Even if it means giving them the right to say who a member of the public is or isn't.

Cops are out of control you say! Look at all the family dogs they kill! They raided that guys house with no warrant! Martial Law is imminent you say! And you're scared, the big bad state is just waiting to send law enforcement for your guns. But you're only scared for you and your own kind. What you really want is a police force that doesn't police you, just everyone else. It's only brutality when some family like yours has their dog shot in front of the youngest daughter. When they kill unarmed 'others' they're #ing heroes again.

Jeeze there's so much more too... maybe it will come in subsequent posts but for now this will do.

Ahhhhh

Instead of tearing into you...I'm going to respectfully disagree. I probably fall into the group of labels you presented, but what I believe is not for the reasons, and is not under the premise you describe.

I do think business owners should be able to do anything they want with their business. Hence the fact that it is something they built and own. It is theirs. If they make stupid decisions, they will fail. But I think they should be allowed to hire, fire, spend and make rules as they please. It is their "home" and they should be able to run their "home" as they see fit. Otherwise, if they are forced to run it the way others see fit...then others are in control of their success or failure. And that is wrong.

I do want the smallest government possible. But I want that because government is an entity that when it is allowed to grow, becomes controlling and hungry to keep growing. It becomes it's own beast that has ego and desire to be important. Government should never be either of those. Government should only exist to serve the people as the people wish and should be easily removable by majority. We currently have the largest government ever and it is very hungry to grow, control and become the rulers of us all. I don't want to be ruled...that isn't freedom.

Also...I want people to be self-responsible and accountable for their actions. Sure...if you need help, we can lend a hand. But if you F up...you have to deal with it. If you do good...you reap the rewards. We are not all equal and "survival of the fittest" does apply. It is there to weed out the genetics that make us weak and aid us in our failings. If one person becomes super-wealthy...that is a good thing. If another is super-poor, that is bad but a result of their actions. There is no need to vilify the rich other than to make up for your own short-comings. Our standards, morals and selfishness can be the death of us. This is also a hungry beast that needs to be tamed. This is out of control also.

Finally...I want freedom. Freedom to be a saint if I wish and freedom to be an ass if I wish. There shouldn't be repercussions for being a bigot, racist, etc. as you state. They are opinions. And as much as I disagree with many of these, I am not going to start deciding for others...what opinion is OK and what opinion is not. EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINION! Very smart words, for when others...even by majority, can control your opinion...you are not free.

So...yes...you were addressing me among many others. And yes...I disagree. But you really got the reasoning wrong.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 05:09 AM
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originally posted by: KyoZero
I made a very very poor rant on this like 4 years ago I think. I actually don't disagree Kali. I won't blanket all, but I see so much hypocrisy in the right's ideology it just makes me ill

But here's the rub. There is no possible way to sit back and pretend the left is innocent in all of this. I am pretty darn hardcore left and I still believe we have a long way to go as far as progress, but some of the left's ideals seem a bit weird to me too.

It really comes down to this laughable issue (and know please I am not talking directly to you Kali) where both sides spit on the other, then get offended that THEY themselves get spit on, then go on a tirade about how the other side spits all the while ignoring the fact that they do the exact same thing

Both 'sides' left/right and center need to grow up and work together. I'm not asking for a total balance, I just would love to see honest and equal chance at representation. Of course the problem is both sides are filled with people and people are idiots

but yes I do agree with the many hypocrisies you pointed out...just saying all sides are guilty

Great observation! I'm probably considered pretty hard right. What I believe to be the biggest problem with BOTH the left and the right is their inability to admit when they are wrong. Either side seems to take a stance and when it turns out to be flawed, they spend time, money, lies, etc...almost religiously...just so they don't have to say they were wrong.

I know you don't agree with this example, so just take it as an example. In my opinion, Obama is a majorly flawed and a failed President. But no one on the left wants to admit it. Admitting it would help to solve some problems, but they would rather not admit being wrong...and let the country go further into debt, war, etc.

I'd give an example from the right, but I can't think of one off-hand (sorry...just a joke)

But if our "leaders" could admit their mistakes, they wouldn't continue to waste money to prop-up a failed policy and we could actually try something else that might work. We should start a campaign and a t-shirt..."I'm a Politician, and I make mistakes".



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 05:45 AM
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Another thing that I've always noticed is how when someone posts a link to CNS news, Breitbart, or Wolrd Net Daily then the legitimacy of the article is almost never questioned.

But

If you dare post an article from the Huffington Post, or another "mainstream" website then it's instantly labeled as left wing propaganda

Am I the only one that has noticed this hypocrisy?
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posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 05:51 AM
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originally posted by: Kali74
Yes right-wingers, I'm talking to you. Phil Robertson, gay wedding cakes, mass shootings, killer cops, the government's evil (to which I agree but differently than you), the cops are good guys, racism, sexism, domestic violence and the word hypocrisy being thrown around like a loaded water balloon... I've absorbed enough to warrant a rant IMHO.

Free market you say! Freedom to run your business as you choose you say! And oh how you mean it, you really, really think you mean it. You don't. Why? Because as soon as someone's fired for being an asshole publicly, you seem to think bosses and owners no longer have the right to run their business as they choose. Instead...

You want no repercussions for being a racist or a sexist or a bigot.

Individuals you say! Right to live as you choose you say! Government's too big you say! You really, really think you mean this too. But, you don't. Why? Because what you actually want is a tyrannical government run by people who think the same way you do. Government's only too big because it includes people different from you.

You want to be able to live as you choose, but if gays want to get married or let's really be honest here... exist... your heads explode. And then we're back to bosses and owners being able to run their businesses as they choose. Even if it means giving them the right to say who a member of the public is or isn't.

Cops are out of control you say! Look at all the family dogs they kill! They raided that guys house with no warrant! Martial Law is imminent you say! And you're scared, the big bad state is just waiting to send law enforcement for your guns. But you're only scared for you and your own kind. What you really want is a police force that doesn't police you, just everyone else. It's only brutality when some family like yours has their dog shot in front of the youngest daughter. When they kill unarmed 'others' they're #ing heroes again.

Jeeze there's so much more too... maybe it will come in subsequent posts but for now this will do.

Ahhhhh

Let me just start by saying that hypocrisy is a word you hear often for a reason. If you could grow up,take your fingers out of your ears and quit yelling lalalalalala for just a second you might just learn something. The definition of a hypocrite is someone who condemns the conduct or actions of another while he himself engages in the very same act of which he is criticizing.People are free to think as they wish and not everyone is going to agree with you,having said that,you are one of the most intolerant and hateful people i've come across. It`s your way or the highway because you're not mature enough to have a give and take conversation.You've bought into the whole us vs them mentality that your mind controllers are using to divide and conquer the populous.
I was just looking over your post again and you are nothing more than a screaming libtard.You take the things you see on tv and overblow them.Cops do a lot more good than bad out there but you see your isolated incidences on tv and just like the liberal media you disregard the thousands of good things cops do every day behind the scenes and take the few bad things and blow them out of proportion.I doubt if you have the courage to watch a 5 min video because you're not interested in the truth just division, but this explains the reality of racism and police brutality in America today.
www.youtube.com...
I could easily shut you down on almost all of your over the top far left delusional bs but i don't have the time unfortunately. maybe tomorrow.One more thing, the liberal agenda needs the right not to be offended to survive because their belief systems are based on denying the truth and perpetuating their misunderstandings. When confronted with the truth those that believe in misunderstandings and the resultant lies have no place to go and must either change (what decent people do) or defend the lie and take offence (what leftist do).



edit on 12-9-2014 by fartsmeller46 because: after thought

edit on Fri Oct 31 2014 by Jbird because: removed 5 screens of blank space from post



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 05:52 AM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

I am absolutely starring that post. I have been mislead, probably due to my own blindness to vote for him twice. The first election, I thought this man would do things. Oh the things he promised made me weep for the potential we could have...but it never came...His one massive attempt, watered down and not truly understood and yet still passed. I blame both sides of course but still. And oh the idea of shutting down Gitmo, stopping two senseless blood and oil-fueled wars, and the promise of ending a senseless and undefinable drug war. So yeah, the drug war thing may finally be winding down, and I am so pleased equality is marriage is passing, but beyond that what do we have to show for it?

So then the second chance came...and here I am ATS...I am admitting it here and now...I got blinded by my own stupidity. Yes partly because Romney scared me, but mostly because I got stuck in the playing sides game. I wanted Socialism to have a foothold so bad that I voted for a guy who effed us up hard, and blamed it all on GWB (who was also terrible IMO)

Meanwhile, I came to places like ATS and spouted off how this time was different. Yes I understand some of GWB's economic meltdowns continued in the first year, maybe two on Obama's administration...but come on...are we not past that now?

Point is, I was stupid and blind and now I am opening my eyes and I am not happy...but I need only look in a mirror

But that's the problem...each side is telling the other side to look into a mirror to see who to blame, yet they refuse to look in their own when they know darn well they have just as much mud and much on their faces

I'm pissed off...at myself, at the left, at the right and just generally pissed



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 07:55 AM
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Reads thread title; is curious about subject and content of thread.

Clicks on thread, looks at who OP is: "Hm, this might be interesting."

Gets to first line of first paragraph: "Ugh......"

Speed reads through the Wall-O-Rant rhetoric.

Rolls eyes, posts, closes tab.

Way to be a tool OP. And dirty tactics not being upfront with your political flaming in title.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: snarky412
If you read my previous posts, I'm an Independent
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However, when one says that they are not a Dem and then turns around and says that they are a left-winger and don't like the right, well, to me that's nuts


But how could you be a right winger and not be a republican???
Oh no, my brain is burning from no understandin, totally nuts here.

WHAT'S SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ?

People that star you actually think that eeeeeevery people that are left wing is automatically a Democrat?

Gawd, you people are even less intelligent than I gave you credit for.

I'm flabergasted to be in front of such utter stupidity.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 09:48 AM
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originally posted by: SerratedSoul
Way to be a tool OP. And dirty tactics not being upfront with your political flaming in title.


It seems such a complicated concept for you to grasp that, left and right wing doesn't automatically mean that you are a Democrat or a Republican.

You guys seem to understand that it's possible to be a right winger and yet not liking the Republican party, yet you can't seem to apply THE SAME F$?%$# IDEA to left wingers.

It's nothing hard to comprehend, ffs.

The rant wasn't political AT ALL, NOT PO LI TI CAL.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: Murgatroid
No offense intended Kali, but I stopped reading after that.

At what point will we realize that by attacking each other, we are only serving TPTB's divide and rule agenda?


TPTB or not, it's evident that in society, people tend to side with one wing or the other because of their values
AND NOT POLITICAL ASSOCIATION.

I agree that we should not let this divide us but make us wiser but I think the rant is perfectly on target.

edit on 12-9-2014 by theMediator because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 11:37 AM
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a reply to: Kali74

Most people would say my views are right of center; however....

I believe that we need small government, and more freedom, especially when it comes to running business.

I believe that government should be incentivizing small business and get away from what makes corporations popular, but by incentivizing small business not by drowning corporations with greater regs and more taxation...that just drives companies over seas..

I think we were railroaded into ever allowing income tax in the first place and graduated income tax is the pinnacle of anti-Americanism.

A flat tax is the ONLY type of fair tax if there even IS an income tax which I am against. I am all for a graduated national sales tax based on luxury of items purchased. That way those who want to live opulently are taxed heavily but you are not punished for success or a desire to succeed.

I don't care who gets married, do it in a church and the state should have no say over it whatsoever. It shouldn't be incentivized, or run or even acknowledged by the state at all. It is a religious institution and it should remain as such.

If gays want to implement their own church and get married, that's on them, but no one should EVER be forced to provide a service that they don't support or believe in.

Get back to common law. We have destroyed our future by allowing the state to abuse their authority, that is inherently granted to them by the people and limited in scope by the constitution, which has largely been ignored.

Get rid of the Federal Reserve. It is corrupt at it's very core and countermand to a free society.

There are NO free rides, especially when provided for at the point of a gun. If people need charity, it needs to come from the free will of the people providing it.

Enough of the stupid ass entitlement mentality, the only thing people in a free society are entitled to are the freedom to succeed or fail on their own merits. If people choose to help them do so, so be it, but the govt has no business forcing people to at the point of a gun.

Get the military back to its constitutional mandate. Officers sworn in by, trained by and stationed in their home state unless called to defend the USA in a declared state of war.

No forward stationed bases on foreign soil. Our projection capabilities with aircraft carrier groups is more than enough to prevent aggressors from thinking they have free reign to do as they choose.

There's more but that's all I'll say for now.

If the above makes me a hater, but your belief that society should accept all manner of depravity doesn't make you one, then there is no help for you, and the more people like you there are, the more doomed society will become.

Jaden



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 11:43 AM
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You go girl!!





posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 12:13 PM
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Some people just can't see the forest for the trees.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:16 PM
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But how could you be a right winger and not be a republican???
Oh no, my brain is burning from no understandin, totally nuts here.


For me, I believe the higher levels of Republicans are actually Left of what many call "Center".

And, since the true Right Wing is genuine Conservative, most Republicans that would be true Conservatives are more abundant at lower (local) levels of government.

This becomes obvious when we see similar policies and laws at the national level.

I think "Republicans" are often mistaken for "Libertarians" (Right of Center).

Genuine Conservatives are slightly Right of standard Libertarian, or are extreme Right Libertarian.

The levels of authority and totality determines how far "Left" a system is.

The more Authoritarian, the further Left it needs to go to achieve the Progressive ideals.

But I understand the fear and trembling of a complete "Republican" takeover, especially the big fear of the so-called "Religious Right".



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: Kali74
This rant is an incoherent piece of trash. Filled with stereotypes, misinterpretations, half-truths, and outright lies, you condemn and insult millions of individuals based on your personal opinion.
I dare you to write a rant such as this about any other group, say blacks, women, jews, or muslims for that matter. If you had, it wouldn't have lasted minutes before the mods deleted it, and I question why this is still up.
Since I support the freedom of speech, and I am not a hypocrite, so be it. Instead of ranting at people, why didn't you just place up a question and answer piece, asking the cause of your invective ranting to help explain their positions.
But this is so incendiary that I wonder if this is from one of the mythic government trolls just trying to cause a stir or helping maintain the old divide and conquer meme. Or maybe you're the one with issues to work out.



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