Hey baby boomers, die or get out if the way.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Krazysh0t

By and large they are lazy, spoiled rotten, and entitle little d-bags.

I'm of this generation. You couldn't get most millennials to work hard to save their lives.

They want it all handed to them. They are the generation that gets a degree in fine art and expect to be hired as a top museum curator making 6 figures, just because. And when they don't get it they complain about how "unfair" their student loans are because they can't pay them back.

They don't want to be tradesmen, they don't want to learn how to work with their hands as well as their brains. They want 15 dollars an hour to work at McDs because their advanced degree in Film History has no market and they feel entitled to earn more just because they wasted their money, their parents money, and money they didn't even have on a piece of paper that isn't worth the cost of the ink on it.

I turn 30 this month. The last 15 years I've worked, gained skills, sacrificed, and swallowed my pride to ensure that I have marketable technical skills, a realistic education, and the experience necessary to be successful in the future. It hasn't been easy, but nothing in life worth doing ever is.

I'm not one of the many, many millenials who believe in instant gratification. That if I just sit on my ass that it will come to me because I'm a "special snowflake". I believe real life success involves failures too.

Most people in their 20s don't believe any of this and will make any excuse to discredit what real life and experience has made concrete for as long as there have been humans.

How utterly egotistical.

You my friend are a liar! You can't be a millennial you have to be at worst a Boomer or a parent of a boomer, maybe even a member of the greatest generation. It hasn't been my experience M 's speak like this, but if you are thank your parents from this boomer and thank you!

OP....You are better than this.

We have read your posts. This seems out of character for you.

Now...Apologize to us old farts and lets move on.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'd say prove it wrong.

I've seen it so much. The entitle attitude. Protesting student loans because they can't pay back the money THEY BORROWED to pay for a degree with no marketable skills just because the little snowflake wanted to "follow his/her dreams".

The demands to work at McDs for 15 bucks an hour instead of getting skills that market that kind of wage and above. THAT is laziness. Lack of ambition, motivation, and creativity when it comes to their own economic and social survival. God forbid there is a disaster that requires people to use some sense of survival skill.

originally posted by: whyamIhere
OP....You are better than this.

We have read your posts. This seems out of character for you.

Now...Apologize to us old farts and lets move on.

Isn't this what you meant to say?

a reply to: intrepid

Yes, that is precisely what I meant.

a reply to: onequestion

Make me, sonny boy.

a reply to: onequestion

I am at the tail end of the baby boomers being 55 now. I have worked my entire life in every kind of job you can think of making barely enough to live the whole time. I finally put myself through engineering school and graduated at 48 yo. I'll be paying for that until 2032! I started my career at 49 and have just barely started a retirement account. And I'm supposed to step out of the way so you can just step into my position? I think not! How about you put yourself through school and do well and there will be an opening for you if you spend every waking hour devoting yourself to your studies like I did.

The baby boomers worked hard. But they also became fat on American-exceptionalism, false security and cheaper goods.

Their parents were duped into fighting for an unjust war, like their children in Vietnam, grandkids in Iraq.

All those years of patriotism and they received absolutely nothing in return. I feel bad for them, they believed their country and way of life was the paradigm of human existence.

Behind the Levittown facade of bbqs and moon landings a beast of collective obliviousness stewed in the sewers beneath their feet.

My generation's even worse.

a reply to: MarlinGrace

I grew up a poor immigrant from Costa Rica in the US.

My parents are Cuban refugees. I never graduated highschool because I had to work for a living. Didn't start completing my education until I was in my mid 20s when I was finally able to establish some sense of stability.

I've worked every kind of job. I've shoveled horse crap, worked fast food, mowed lawns, lifted heavy crap for 12 hours, so forth and so on.

I will be 32 before I finally get my degree in aviation maintenance.

This generation has no sense of what it takes to truly better one self. They'd rather sit at home and complain about the perceived "futility" of it all because somehow the cards are stacked against them...They have yet to realize that they hold all the cards. They make the calls for themselves and no one else will do it for them.

This thread is a bit disappointing...


I haven't heard one reference yet to walking fifteen miles, up hill, both ways to a single room school while being bare foot through 6 feet of snow...

Not once.

originally posted by: projectvxn
I've seen it so much. The entitle attitude. Protesting student loans because they can't pay back the money THEY BORROWED to pay for a degree with no marketable skills just because the little snowflake wanted to "follow his/her dreams".

I get your point, but just as not all baby boomers are responsible for the state of the country and world, not all young people are spoiled brats. There are some BRILLIANT and very insightful, caring and wonderful young people coming up.

We just can't judge an entire generation by the actions of some. People are people. And young people aren't being handed a world that is in very good shape, like I was. They're being handed a piece of crap and expected to fix what "we" did to it.

Intrepid, I laughed out loud! LOL

Let's look at this. That technology that you say we can't use, we created. The rights that people take for granted today, Black, Women, Gay, WE fought for them and it wasn't pretty. Can't blame us for the gov't not protecting home jobs to outsourcing. The corporations own them. Steal ours as well.

bay boomers had the most generous minimum wage to inflation ratio in american history and were not required to go to college for minimum wage jobs. seems like a good deal to me.

a reply to: onequestion

We have technology you don't understand

Care to list some examples of your technology that boomers are incapable of comprehending?

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: whyamIhere
OP....You are better than this.

We have read your posts. This seems out of character for you.

Now...Apologize to us old farts and lets move on.

Isn't this what you meant to say?

Oh cripes... whyamIhere and Intrepid...

I laughed so hard that my dentures flew out of my mouth and hit the screen along with the snot and coffee and also I toppled off my zimmer frame breaking my left hip...

Who do I send the bill to?

Kindest respects

Rodinus

Wow. My father is a baby boomer in his early 60's. He is the top/senior tech for our state's largest information management companies which provides office automation and document management solutions. He is the guy everyone calls all day long for help, especially all the 20-somethings. He tried to retire this year, but the company begged him to stay because they NEED him so he stayed. He is the one I call when I have computer problems.

He is a Vietnam vet, who went to technical school and learned how to repair copiers. He went to work for a copier sales and repair company in the city, and then eventually started his own business. When he got older, he sold the business and got the job as the senior tech for the company he works for now. He has always been up to date and knowledgeable in all aspects of technology. He has even begun training with the 3D printer the company just acquired.

I believe your OP is very ignorant and my dad could run circles around you with the knowledge he knows.

a reply to: onequestion

I don't know what happened today, but pull it together. This job market sucks, but there is an answer for our problems and we have all of the tools we need right here at our disposal.

The primary problem with capitalism is that it creates a clash between shareholders and stakeholders. Corporations were born out of necessity because no solitary investor had enough money to finance something as large and as expensive as a railroad. In creating a corporation, people share risk, but they also share rewards. Unfortunately, the corporation itself absorbs most of the profits so the dividend payments to shareholders, even preferred shareholders is relatively low compared to what a sole proprietor might earn.

Early socialists sought to end the problems caused by capitalism by seizing control of all companies and all assets. This failed because a centralized government cannot orchestrate the complexities of a marketplace. The demands of the people are constantly in a state of fluctuation and the apparent inefficiencies of the marketplace are actually a great advantage, because it allows for the seemingly spontaneous emergence of new technology, revolutionizing the standards of production for any given industry almost over night.

This constantly changing landscape creates a very complex problem which central planners cannot easily offer an optimal solution for.

We have in our hands the secret however. We can succeed in creating a democratic society where the idealists before us failed.

The answer is crowdsourcing and mutually owned ventures. By building mutualist institutions from the ground up and by having idealists govern their communities in decentralized cells, they are free to respond to the information they have available to them more rapidly in a more optimal way, mimicking the ingenuity and complexity of a purely capitalist system without emulating its dehumanizing levels of competition.

Imagine if in whatever venture you worked towards, instead of earning a paycheck at the end of the day, you accrued ownership. How much wealthier and fulfilled might you be if you truly got a fair share of power and payment from whatever venture you invested your energies into?

We could create a lattice network of self-supporting businesses across this country and run cut-throat dog-eat-dog capitalism right out of business. We could coordinate nationwide strikes, interrupting economic activity on a global scale for weeks at a time. What would investment bankers do if they lost a week of revenues? Probably jump off of their ivory towers. We could create a condition of excess supply, forcing a state of deflation to occur despite their control over interest rates and money supply. We could engage in gift economies. We could do all sorts of things that would return democratic control of our society to the hands of the people.

Do not lose hope. This generation is building its tower and shortly nothing will be impossible for us. Whatever our minds can dream, our will can desire and our abilities can strive towards we can achieve.

originally posted by: onequestion

You don't understand the internet you don't understand television and podcasting and you don't understand anything about what's going on with the younger generation.

Get out if the way and let this place evolve.

a reply to: whyamIhere

Lol.

I did wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning so I'll give you that.