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Walmart Shooting: Marine 911 Caller Lied about Slain Man Pointing Toy Gun at Custimers... And more!

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posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: Urantia1111

I actually see your point.

Someone calling 911 isn't going to take the time to explain that they were a Marine for 7 weeks but were discharged because of some paperwork issue (not sure I believe that).

The guy very well may have thought he saw one thing or was excited and expressed himself poorly to the dispatcher.

This guy very well could have been a racist jackass too and wanted to stir up some crap.

I will say if I was in the same situation I would likely call the police too. A guy walking around WalMart with what appears to be a rifle out of box would worry me and I wouldn't want to get close to check it out.

I think even if the guy was calling in because he was a racist piece of crap the vast majority of the blame rests with the officers if they indeed just started shooting with no warning. Cops know witnesses are crappy and that people make mistakes (often). You don't shoot a guy holding what appears to be a gun unless you actually see him doing something threatening.




posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

BH, come on. Do you really think it matters to these cops whether there's "a man waving a gun" in Walmart vs "a man waving a gun AND pointing it at people" in Walmart??? Like they wouldn't have come out to address the situation unless the man was actually pointing the gun??? The cops were poorly trained and acting in a hazardous fashion regardless of which branch of the armed services fatso pretended to be a hero of. Why hasn't he been charged with murder? Because that's absurd and you know it.
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posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 04:47 PM
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The cops are more guilty than the "marine".

The guy DID NOT behave in a threatening manner.

There was no reason to shoot him!

No way should a person end up dead just because of a phone call!!!



posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: Urantia1111
The cops were poorly trained and acting in a hazardous fashion regardless of which branch of the armed services fatso pretended to be a hero of. Why hasn't he been charged with murder? Because that's absurd and you know it.


I agree that the cops are at fault. There's no argument about that. My point is Ritchie lied. That's all. Not that he should be charged with murder, which I think he SHOULD be, but that's just my opinion. The fact is he lied to the 911 dispatcher.

You're saying he didn't lie. Fine. Believe that if you want.

By the way, I just read this:



Beavercreek Police Sgt. David Darkow and Officer Sean Williams, both reportedly involved in the shooting, have been placed on leave pending the outcome of an investigation.


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One source says they were exonerated and another says they're under investigation. But check out the video of Ritchie's first story there...
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posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 04:49 PM
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a reply to: Urantia1111

I'm trying to come up with a charge that would actually stick.



posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 04:52 PM
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a reply to: Urantia1111

BS.

There is no such thing as an "ex" Marine (and Marine is always capitalized). Also -- as he was forced out after 7 weeks, he never completed Boot and never graduated or swore his oath. Ergo: He was never a Marine, and certainly isn't one now.

Hang him.



posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 05:13 PM
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I couldn't care less if he was a Marine or not. I find that irrelevant.

What is important (and i am sure has been discussed) is that the police seem to have shot the man with out even making their presence known. There seemed to have been no prompt by police to establish awareness of the situation before taking the life of the one they perceived as a threat.

It's important to note that i do not believe the police intentionally killed the man for, as it were, fun. I do think this was, by large, a failure in the operating procedure by the law enforcement officials. Mistakes did happen and a man(and women, though it seems she was at risk anyway) died and i hope in the future that police try more to establish the awareness this situation lacked.

As for the officials involved? They clearly messed up and should face the repercussions that a just world would require.



posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: Domo1
a reply to: Urantia1111

I'm trying to come up with a charge that would actually stick.


As unpopular as it might be in this thread, I'm not aware of a charge that penalizes a citizen for calling the cops when they see a guy with a rifle in Walmart. THAT has not yet been criminalized. You can hate the poser in this story all you want, he just simply didn't break the law.

Domo, I appreciate your support. Seems like everyone here is pissed because dude claimed to be a Marine and never actually was. I don't think he'll be charged for that either.
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posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 05:22 PM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic




One source says they were exonerated and another says they're under investigation.


So I am confused. Do we know if they are under investigation or not?



posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: TsukiLunar

From what I can find, they are under investigation.



Assistant Hamilton County Prosecutor Mark Piepmeier is now overseeing the officer shooting investigation as special prosecutor. Piepmeier is scheduled to present evidence in the case to a Greene County grand jury this month. Jurors will determine if anyone should be charged in the Ohio Walmart shooting.


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posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 05:34 PM
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originally posted by: ICallGhosts
a reply to: 2manyholes

I agree about the 15 minutes of fame.

The guy will get charged. Hopefully with 1st and 2nd degree murder. He'll ave to pay fines that he will never pay and go to prison on tax dollars... And live happily with free room, board, healthcare, and many other free perks... He'll try to plead insanity, but he'll fail at that notion LOL Unless he gets a crazy sympathetic judge. That allows his insanity plea. Hopefully if that happens, the judge will send him to a very "nice" asylum. Since he lied to the police and 911, and identified himself as a Marine, he could get federal charges and go to Levenworth. It could be possible, but doubtful. I think he'll get the first suggestion I had. He'll cop a plea, and do time.



I'm sick of people acting like prison is a stay at the Marriott. Forgive me if I aim this at you, but try going there yourself and tell me if it doesn't change your opinion.



posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 05:34 PM
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I bought myself a gun in Wally World and right after the purchase, the salesperson escorts you out the door with the gun still contained in the package. Only a BB gun or toy gun could have been allowed to be carried around like that. That so called Marine witness guy was stupid and doesn't know anything about gun purchases or guns and was just looking to make trouble. An actual Marine would have known all of that and I am no marine and yet I know that only BB guns or toy guns could be allowed to be carried around loose like that. A REAL gun is not just handed over to a customer for them to walk around with. Go to any Sport Shop or any store that has a gun section and the protocol is the same.

This entire mess is based on what some cowardly wuss of an imitation marine has to say. He thought...he thought...my arse, he didn't think and that is the problem. A real marine would have known all of what I mentioned and more...relevant to what the man was carrying. If there was any doubt, a real marine would have handled it himself I suspect. Open carry usually involves hand guns and not rifles and shotguns inside of a store as far as I know. No door security involved? Every time some pot bellied wuss cries wolf someone has to die a tragic death? Geez.

Sure, the cops were wrong too but I have no sympathy for that poser/ wimp either.



posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Right. Well that's something, at least. Thanks for the info, BH. I hope you have a nice day.



posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 06:23 PM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I agree with you.

If he lied, then he should be charged with murder.

People who think otherwise baffle me.



posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn
That is disgusting..... Put everyone's lives in the store in grave danger of being shot by some riled up cops is such a great idea. And the attempted vandalism with spoilt food is really cute too. Wow.


Found this gem, wow. If that retard ever pulls that, he will be going away for first degree murder, no doubt.

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posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 08:45 PM
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originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

This pretend Marine should be done for Murder as is the case when US LEO's kill someone in cross fire, they charge whoever they are arresting with the murder. He should also be done for the death of the 37 year old woman as if he had not been so disillusional and made the call, she would probably not have had the heart attack.

What a bloody looser, I hope they throw away the key.


Haven't really looked into this story, but I have to ask - is it typical for police to just come in guns blazing without evaluating the situation at all?

Don't they have a responsibility to determine whether or not the claims of a 911 caller have any validity before they begin indiscriminately killing people?

Are the police in this situation completely without non-lethal means of subduing an individual?

What was the victim's reaction when police announced themselves to him and warned him to drop the gun? Did it warrant their taking his life?

What difference should it make whether or not the guy was or was not an ex-Marine? Did the police shoot without evaluating the situation because they thought the caller had been in the military at some point in his life?

Frankly, I think it would make more sense to charge the actual killers with manslaughter and the caller maybe criminal negligence or some such.

As far as wanting to charge the caller with causing a heart attack in a bystander, well that's just a ridiculous, emotion-soaked lashing-out in my opinion.



posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: Domo1
The reaction would have probably been a lot different, had he not lied and said he saw him loading the rifle, and he was waving it around and pointing it at kids, don't you think?

Dispatch call a: Man in walmart, possibly carrying a gun. No violent behavior reported, something we should probably double check and make sure everything is fine.

Dispatch call b: Man in walmart, carrying a loaded gun and threatening children.

Those two calls illicit totally different responses I would think. Especially since open carry is legal there to begin with. The part about seeing the gun being loaded, and pointing it at kids is likely why the cops reacted like they did. Don't get me wrong, I am not defending the cop's actions either, all of them should have the book tossed at them.



posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 09:10 PM
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a reply to: loam

well if they deem his false testimony to be felony worthy they could always get him under the felony murder rule if one commits a felony and some one dies,even if the police shoot them the murder falls on the felon/felons who committed the crime. any one knowing if the stolen valor act(i think that is what its called) is a felony? or how about lying to police i figured that would be a misdemeanor.



posted on Sep, 11 2014 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: Domo1

I believe the charge you are looking for would be negligent homicide. In that his misappropriate actions had a direct cause and effect on Crawford's life. Such as twirling a pistol and it going off and killing someone. It wasn't what you intended but a person died. Or leaving a loaded gun where a child can get it and shoot themselves.

It is a strange case in that the gun was unpackaged, Crawford lived several cities away (about an hour drive) and this happened around 10pm on a week night. He was dating another woman than the mother of his child(ren) and was shopping with that other woman while talking on the cell phone with the mother. But was not shopping near the other woman in the store, she left him in that area. Might have been because who was on the phone. But one thing really confuses me about the survailence tape is that usually there is no audio track to those and the lawyer never seems to indicate that he has seen all the footage from the time of entering the store until his death. That footage should exists because Walmart typically has cameras watching cameras in their overlapping coverage practices.

I agree that many things do not pass the smell test in this case, but most people around here are taking the attitude of wait and see rather than demanding instant resolution. For that I am thankful.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 06:36 AM
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I am going with the racial aspect. Fat white guy hasn't got some since the Bush administration. Sees a bigger white girl with a black guy. Get jealous and thinks he will call the cops on him....to show him




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