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Royal Bank Of Scotland To Relocate To London If A " Yes " Vote.

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posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: mclarenmp4
a reply to: Alekto

You do know the English aren't are a race? So therefor by definition not a racist, it's pretty simple really. The word you are looking for is bigoted.
Now is it really necessary to continue this witch hunt? He apologised now move on please and discuss the topic which you have failed to do.


You don't know what your talking about.

The English are an ethnic group. The race relations acts of 1976 states that discrimination against ethnic groups is classed as race discrimination.

www.legislation.gov.uk...




posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
We are awe doomed again. Threats.


Why, when an expert, or company attempts to state a fact or opinion that questions the nationalist views or assumptions, it is a threat.

For there to be an open debate everyone's views should be listened to without this perpetual nationalist mantra of derision or accusation of scaremongering. This push to close down debate is worrying.

If a major retailer says prices may go up, then surely that is a fact which people need to weigh up.

Regards


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posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
We are awe doomed again. Threats.


Why, when an expert, or company attempts to state a fact or opinion that questions the nationalist views or assumptions it is a threat.



When people don't want to hear the truth, or it is opposed to what they want to believe; this is a tactic they use.
Commonly known as " falling on deaf ears "

They use the word " Scaremongering " to try and close down the debate. It's a very old tactic and people see if for what it is.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 05:43 PM
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One thing no one seems to be discussing is the overall energy issue in the whole UK. The current economies of scale are very much an advantage in this case. This will be dismissed as more propaganda for those with minds made up and that have already cast their postal vote.

But there is a larger issue, because since privatisation of the Energy industries the whole UK has become totally interdependent on the National Grid and free flow of Gas. Even to the point when power supplies go down (and they tend to affect the more northerly parts of the UK more often in winter time) that engineers from across the nation pool resources from competing distribution companies to assist.

Not only that the lower population density and more remote areas of the UK cost a lot more in transmission and maintenance costs than the large towns and cities. That is a simple fact.

Finally, if it goes through, has anyone considered what the competitive position will be post-independence. Scottish/British Gas, Spanish owned Scottish Power and SSE have been fairly quiet on the issue.

A recent analysis considered the impact of Scottish Independence and noted the following:






Without unrestricted access to the integrated GB market, the costs of supporting Scottish energy network investment, small-scale renewables and programmes to support remote consumers would fall on Scottish bill payers alone – this would add at least £38 to annual household energy bills and around £110,000 to energy costs for a medium-sized manufacture in 2020.








In the event of independence, the integrated GB market could not continue in its current form. Decisions would be taken in the national interests of the continuing UK and its consumers and an independent Scottish state and its consumers. The UK has interconnectors that transport electricity to and from a number of countries in the rest of Europe, and is seeking to develop more.







UK energy security is high. A recent Energy Index compiled by the US Chamber of Commerce rated the UK second overall in the world for energy security. 5 The current Scottish Government argues that Scottish generation is essential to keep the lights on in the continuing UK. 6 The analysis in this paper does not support this conclusion.
............In the event of independence, there would be no need for the continuing UK to support an
independent Scottish state’s energy costs to ensure its own security of supply.







These costs are substantial and include, for instance:

• up to around £6 billion (2009/10 prices) over the period 2013/14-2020/21 of investment into the electricity transmission network in Scotland;

• under the current UK Renewables Obligation system some 28 per cent of the support – around £560 million – of a £2 billion total in 2012/13 went towards funding Scottish renewables projects even though only around 10 per cent of UK electricity sales are in Scotland;

• around £92 million (2009/10 prices) between 2014/15-2020/21 of approved spending for supplying gas to remote Scottish communities under the Statutory Independent Undertaking arrangements; and

• annual support for the infrastructure needed to distribute electricity over remote and sparsely populated areas in the north of Scotland under the Hydro Benefit Replacement Scheme, which in 2013/14 totalled around £54 million. The costs of transmitting electricity and gas and support for remote communities and small- scale renewables in Scotland are shared across GB wide schemes. If these costs were paid solely by Scottish energy consumers, this would add at least £38 to annual household energy bills and around £110,000 to energy costs for a medium-sized manufacturer in 2020 (2012 prices). This is the minimum likely increase, with scope for it to be higher (eg. up to £60 for households and £179,000 for a medium-sized manufacturer), in line with the potential investment levels particularly in networks




Now this is just one small topic that affects the whole of the British Isles and there are many, many more issues that need weighing up when it comes to disintegration of the UK. I actually doubt that anyone can possibly look at every angle and weigh up the positives and the negatives. So you are left to go with a hunch.

The problem of course is that Global Corporations are growing larger and larger by expanding into more and more territories whilst the people of the free world seem to believe that reducing the size of their nation states balances this out and gives them more say, more power and makes them better off in the long term.

So far so good or so far so bad?



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 09:04 PM
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We bailled them out and this is how they do business but cutting and running when we want to go independent because they are scared they will make less money because simply less money will flow south to London, fine get them tae #!



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: mclarenmp4
a reply to: Soloprotocol



Says it all really.


Who wants to pay for those Paedo harbouring bias bastards anyways !
get them tae # seriously anyone who still pays a tv license to those crooks needs a word wae therselves.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: sacgamer25

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Snarl
If I were voting ... I'd be voting for an independent Scotland.

It's just money.

It's just your freedom.

Did Iceland sink into the North Atlantic?


I'm not sure that you understand the financial, legal and constitutional headaches that would emerge as the rest of a 'Yes' vote.


LOL That sounds so scary.


The only people who are scared of free Scots are the English


Exactly, their is no reason to fear. A sovereign nation maintains sovereignty over all assets within it's borders. It will be the corporation who will have to negotiate, not the other way around. This is why they are leaving. What is necessary will be reopened, but will be owned by citizens and not foreign investors.

Unless you think they would start a war for the corporations, lol.


Sorry, but round objects. Who owns the barracks? Who owns the air fields? Who owns the naval yards? Who owns the shipyards? What level of taxation will be levelled by the Scottish Government? Will it be different from the rest of the UK? In which case will there be customs posts on the border? What happens at the border? Will there be passport stations? Or a free delivery over national borders? But the UK will be in the EU and Scotland won't be, so how can there be trade deliveries? What about the constitution? What will Scotland take? Will it be a Republic or a Kingdom? What will back its currency? Does it have a gold reserve? What part of the national debt will it take on? Where is the national maritime border? What legal claim does it have to the oil?

Legal. Nightmare.


Google man use it !
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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 12:56 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: AngryCymraeg


Alex Salmond is first of all a 'Salesman'


I was in sales for 30 years and to be successful one needs to sell

all the positives and pass over the negatives.

If the customer brings up a negative just go on to emphasise another

positive. .... Alex Salmond


He's always irritated me and I can't for the life of me work out why. I think it's because he wants Scottish independence so badly that he's turning a blind eye to everything that emerges that contradicts his rosy view of the situation. And I do think that he's presenting an over-optimistic view of the situation. Fair enough - he's a politician. But the way that he dismisses valid arguments against Scottish independence I find irritating. This is a very serious subject and he keeps grinning and waving his hands to dismiss the arguments of the other side.


I've met his type before - a salesman, quick to chase after money, easily led by the promise of money, would say anything to win a sale, even if it dumped everyone else in a hot stew. An example would be Donald Trump promising lots of jobs if he gets his golf course and conference center. The jobs don't materialize, then he complains when wind farms based on oil industry technology are built offshore.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 12:59 AM
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originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: mclarenmp4


Whether its a YES or NO win in this or any other election/referendum

anything up to 49% of people (if indeed they voted) are going to be

aggrieved. That's life .... you cant please all of the people all of the

time.


Do you honestly believe that, even IF you get the result you want,

that the 'new' politicians will be any better than the previous??


There is something in the psyche of people who hold power ......

Power corrupts. And nice moral people never get into those positions

because they don't or cant lie, it goes against their principals ... 'Status Quo'


Good Luck with your 'Idealism' of a better and fairer life ... I remain a cynic




Yes, because they can't hide if they live and work in Scotland. If they go down to Westminster, they are over 400 miles away, well away from public scrutiny.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 01:09 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
We bailled them out and this is how they do business but cutting and running when we want to go independent because they are scared they will make less money because simply less money will flow south to London, fine get them tae #!

Exactly...WE, the People, Bailed or are Bailing out the Banks, not the other way around...So much for the benefits and the need for a central banking system.
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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 01:09 AM
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double posted for some reason.
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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 04:41 AM
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A bit of light relief;



NOT meant to be taken seriously.
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posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 04:49 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn
Oh Hell, Why not..it's all getting a bit too serious and depressing.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 04:57 AM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

One of the many things we will always share; the ability to see humour in any given situation and to laugh at ourselves.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 04:59 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn





posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 06:20 AM
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Anyone noticed this before, its been doing the rounds on facebook... the Lion represents England.
The "chained" unicorn represents Scotland.. hmmm.
And the harp, Ireland.
Thats on our passports and is the royal crest.

a Scottishunicorn. According to legend a free unicorn was considered a very dangerous beast

source - en.m.wikipedia.org...



posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 06:33 AM
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They're have to change at least one word in their name and eventually change the first one.



posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 07:07 AM
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a reply to: michael1888
And not only are we in chains, That Bastard Lion is Blowing Raspberries at us.....



posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 07:27 AM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: michael1888
And not only are we in chains, That Bastard Lion is Blowing Raspberries at us.....



The Scottish Coat Of Arms had chains around the unicorn before the Act Of Union.

Nothing at all to do with England. Yet more bullcrap propaganda from yourself

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Sep, 14 2014 @ 07:31 AM
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originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: michael1888
And not only are we in chains, That Bastard Lion is Blowing Raspberries at us.....



The Scottish Coat Of Arms had chains around the unicorn before the Act Of Union.

Nothing at all to do with England. Yet more bullcrap propaganda from yourself

en.wikipedia.org...

Lighten up Rommel. care to comment on this..
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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