It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Proof : Russia didn`t want to face the decision of having to intervene

page: 8
30
<< 5  6  7    9 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:33 PM
link   
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Where does anyone deny that the Azov Brigade are Nazi skinheads? We simply point out that they are paramilitaries, not regular troops, and that their actions are not necessarily congruent with the tactics and strategy of the Kyiv government. You sure waste a lot of time spewing copypasta over strawmen.




posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:47 PM
link   

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Where does anyone deny that the Azov Brigade are Nazi skinheads? We simply point out that they are paramilitaries, not regular troops, and that their actions are not necessarily congruent with the tactics and strategy of the Kyiv government. You sure waste a lot of time spewing copypasta over strawmen.



By now you already should have known I`m not making stuff up, you confuse me some other members.

You also should have known already about the fascists "vision of Ukraine becoming a fascist dictatorship" if you had actual done some education on the subject.

But my guess is, having to respond to almost every post takes too much time to have actual still time left to do some research...so you guys have to ask for the information...but why should we do your job ?
edit on 16-9-2014 by BornAgainAlien because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:52 PM
link   
Ok Crimea a river,build a bridge and bring me the facts about a Russian invasion!

Crimea held an election,did it not?
Russia had a lease for a base and troops in Crimea before this,did it not
Crimea decided it wanted closer ties with Russia,did it not

So on those facts alone Russia has not invaded Ukraine

Now,show me proof that Russia has invaded Ukraine.Even the Ukraine government and America can show no proof but you keep saying Russia has invade them,so how do you know?

Or you just listening to the far right murdering scum in Ukraine peddling this lie to get the west to send our lads in

As for you ignoring the evidence that the fatherland were behind the shootings and seeing nothing wrong in having a silenced assault weapon in the car ,that shows what you are

You are willing to support racist murderers who sniped civilians and police,burnt to death many in a building and beat the victims to death when they jumped from windows to escape the flames and shelling to death of Ukrainians in the west of the country

All because your country tells you Russia is evil,you need to look in the mirror as your soul is dark



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:52 PM
link   
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Just answer this simple question: where did anyone deny that the Azov Brigade are neo-Nazi paramilitaries?



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 04:58 PM
link   
a reply to: DJW001




Just answer this simple question: where did anyone deny that the Azov Brigade are neo-Nazi paramilitaries?


Here I have a better one...why is there no crying about the neo Nazi's fighting and leading the separatists?

Seems only fair...does it not.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 05:05 PM
link   
a reply to: Whereismypassword


Ok Crimea a river,build a bridge and bring me the facts about a Russian invasion!

Crimea held an election,did it not?


Only after there were armed Russian troops in the street. Crimea was part of Ukraine at that time. The referendum was of questionable legality anyway.


Russia had a lease for a base and troops in Crimea before this,did it not


Did the SOFA specify that Russian troops were permitted to bear arms against Ukrainian citizens?


Crimea decided it wanted closer ties with Russia,did it not


It is hard to say what people in a region occupied by armed foreign troops really want, wouldn't you say?


So on those facts alone Russia has not invaded Ukraine


Why do you keep saying that? Just admit that Russia invaded Ukraine, but "it was for their own good." You would sound less thick-headed that way.


Now,show me proof that Russia has invaded Ukraine.Even the Ukraine government and America can show no proof but you keep saying Russia has invade them,so how do you know?





Or you just listening to the far right murdering scum in Ukraine peddling this lie to get the west to send our lads in


Clearly, you only listen to the far right fascists in Moscow. who are lying through their teeth about the government in Kyiv in order to justify their brazen imperialism.


As for you ignoring the evidence that the fatherland were behind the shootings and seeing nothing wrong in having a silenced assault weapon in the car ,that shows what you are


I'm not ignoring it, and even if I were, what does that show me to be?


You are willing to support racist murderers who sniped civilians and police,burnt to death many in a building and beat the victims to death when they jumped from windows to escape the flames and shelling to death of Ukrainians in the west of the country


I warned you. Not only are you not apologizing, you are continuing to lie about me. Please stop posting your sick, graphic depictions of violence. They almost seem to serve a pornographic function for you.


All because your country tells you Russia is evil,you need to look in the mirror as your soul is dark


Dark? Now who is being racist?

edit on 16-9-2014 by DJW001 because: Edit to add additional material.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 05:23 PM
link   

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Just answer this simple question: where did anyone deny that the Azov Brigade are neo-Nazi paramilitaries?



It was about answering this question :



He`s losing popularity among certain dangerous elements in the Ukraine, but part of those elements (the fascists part) doesn`t want EU/The West influence either.

Where does it say that in the article you cite? Or are you just making that up?


And this question at the same time :



(the fascists part)

And exactly what part would that be?


With this answer :



Instead of just posting, I actually have followed what has been going on, do your homework guys before posting.


And this was the response :



And yet you won't answer the simple question asked of you...why? And amazingly enough so have many other's on ATS, infact a few of us were some of the first to discuss this when the first thread was created...so we have done our homework.


Well clearly someone hasn`t done his homework, or else he wouldn`t even needed to ask that question!

As explained in my response : www.abovetopsecret.com...

And now you`re going to throw in something completely different in as if "I said you guys denied there being neo-Nazi paramilitaries" ?


Don`t worry though, I find it all really amusing...but I don`t know how others will see it.
edit on 16-9-2014 by BornAgainAlien because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 06:16 PM
link   
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

I think you need to find someone who is a native English speaker to help you. Your "answer" was a rambling hodge-podge that did not address the actual question.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 06:53 PM
link   

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

I think you need to find someone who is a native English speaker to help you. Your "answer" was a rambling hodge-podge that did not address the actual question.



It was what it was actual about.

You were again trying to change the subject, but you fail to understand I`m not falling for that.

edit on 16-9-2014 by BornAgainAlien because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 08:00 PM
link   
For Ukraine lovers (headline from zero-hedge):

Ukraine Currency Crashes To Record Low As IMF Blasts "Gross Abuses"

So much for NATO's dear friend.

More "RELEVANT" economic news:

Russia/China are increasing currency swaps.
Russia has instructed oil companies to buy equipment in the east.

The above two steps effectively counter Western sanctions.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 08:08 PM
link   
The West can manipulate exchange rates in the short term due to its control over financial structures. But it really does not help in case of a export oriented economy like Russia.

If Russia exports oil and gas to China and imports engineering goods in return, the exchange rate of ruble is immaterial.

Right now it seems Russia has decided to award big oil projects to Chinese firms.So Russia's sanctions problem is effectively solved. There will be a lot of Chinese engineers working in Russia and the Chinese firms will get massive business to build equipment that would otherwise be built by Western firms.

The exchange rate may affect imported food items and may change what is available in the super-markets, but these are irritations rather than setbacks.

So we shall see if the sanctions affect Europe or Russia.

I have already predicted that Russia's biggest weapon is oil. And Russia has nukes to protect its land. Russia is not Iraq that West can invade and seize oil fields.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 08:10 PM
link   
I predict again - Ukraine is going to dogs.

The Ukrainian nationalists will be fully defeated and time is not far away when whole of Ukraine will be a walkover for Russia.



posted on Sep, 16 2014 @ 08:17 PM
link   
The fx market is the most manipulated market. A dollar fetches 60 indian rupee. However if you see actual prices of basic goods and services at a comparable quality, the rupee should be between Rs 35 and Rs 40 to a dollar.

Does it kill Indian economy? Obviously NO. Because India has balanced its external account, so the exchange rate really does not matter.

The only evidence posters on ATS offer about effectiveness of sanctions on Russia is fx rate. This is phoney.

The critical parameter is Russia ability to keep up its oil and gas production and sell its commodities overseas. If Russia's trade is not affected, then sanctions have zero effect. If you have money, somebody will always sell you the goods that you want.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 03:06 AM
link   

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

I think you need to find someone who is a native English speaker to help you. Your "answer" was a rambling hodge-podge that did not address the actual question.



It was what it was actual about.

You were again trying to change the subject, but you fail to understand I`m not falling for that.


Wow. Could you please just have someone who understands the question answer the question?



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 03:08 AM
link   
a reply to: GargIndia


The only evidence posters on ATS offer about effectiveness of sanctions on Russia is fx rate. This is phoney.


And yet you just used the forex to "prove" that the Ukrainian economy is in a shambles. Interesting.



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 12:17 PM
link   

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

I think you need to find someone who is a native English speaker to help you. Your "answer" was a rambling hodge-podge that did not address the actual question.



It was what it was actual about.

You were again trying to change the subject, but you fail to understand I`m not falling for that.


Wow. Could you please just have someone who understands the question answer the question?


You`re asking for an answer to a question about something fictitious created by you...?

Are you for real ?

Because no one said any of you guys denied there being neo-Nazi paramilitaries fighting for the Ukraine, you can`t ask for an answer of something which only exists in your brain....DOH !
edit on 17-9-2014 by BornAgainAlien because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 02:32 PM
link   
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Then why did you bring them up?



posted on Sep, 17 2014 @ 06:07 PM
link   

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Then why did you bring them up?



Because your buddy asked about it.




And exactly what part would that be?

www.abovetopsecret.com...
edit on 17-9-2014 by BornAgainAlien because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 04:58 AM
link   
a reply to: GargIndia

Here is a novel concept -

LINK YOUR DAMN SOURCES



posted on Sep, 18 2014 @ 07:42 PM
link   
Hot off the presses - direct from Poroshenko's mouth in the USA:

“The war that these men are fighting is not only Ukraine’s war,” Poroshenko told Congress. “It is Europe’s, and it is America’s war too. It is a war of the free world, and for the free world.”

Source: www.nbcnews.com...

After this nobody should question who is fighting here - It is NATO's war and Ukraine is being used as a pawn.

This is a war for NATO expansion eastwards. The question is why NATO wants to expand eastwards? All intelligent people can see it very clearly.



new topics

top topics



 
30
<< 5  6  7    9 >>

log in

join