Commercial space plane??????? Are you referring to Virgin Galactics SpaceShip2?

Originally posted by iori_komei
I'm in between on if we should have a black budget, I mean developing new tech is good, but hiding it, especialy from your own kinsmen, well I think its quit deplorable.

I highly doubt all the presidents had the same level of clearance as each other.

I think there was a thread or a news article about a new branch being added to the military and it would be made up of an all space vehical fleet.

I think you mean the USAFSF (United States Air Force Space Force), Though from what I've read on military sites, publicly the only things they do is stuff having to do with with missiles and military satelites not space vehicles, I could be wrong though.

I sort of agree with you on being in between on the "black Budget" thing. I do support it because I think it's vital for National Security and to keep our edge in Military dominance. But I think people with alot of power tend to seek more power which would be bad for the country. Do it responsibly and don't have intentions of keeping it away from the American people as if we're the enemies. But I can also understand that if the US Gov. told the American people everything it had and every secret about advanced weapons then it would spread and other countries would know everything we had which would endanger us because they would counter it with other weapons. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that but some people think it's ludacris for the Gov. to keep secrets so it had to be said.

On the question about the president having Top Secret access to Area 51 and other secret bases I would say they do get briefed on some advanced weapons if they choose to know and could visit Area 51 if they really wanted to but I kinda doubt it considering the president can't go anywhere without the media following him. If the president leaves the white House it's immediately reported. I mean honestly, watch the news, they always mention the president and what he's doing or has done that day because things are happening all over the world constantly and people look to the president for leadership. I do believe military officials will tell the president about Top secret info in the war room, perhaps even during briefings about Iraq, Afghanistan, or the War on Terrorism else where in the world.

Now the "new Branch" thing, I think (United States Air Force Space Force) might have been what I read about. I'll look for a link about it, it was pretty interesting, so if you want I can look. I might have is saved somewhere so just ask if u want me to look for it... MF out

I understand why there is such a large "black" defense budget but don't neccesarily agree with it. There are obvious reasons why one is neccesary. Sometimes in gov't you need to do something wothout intense oversight, often in gov't nothing gets done w/ normal procedures. I also have some personal reasons that I beleive that area 51 is still producing new things that we don't know about. I was talking to the air force recruiter who frequents my school and being interested in conspiracies I asked him about area 51. He hadn't heard of anything about aliens but he did have a friend who was stationed there as a grunt for a time. One day this soldier was standing outside of one of the warehouses (he was heavily armed) and he sensed something behind him. He turned around to face the blades of a helicopter feet away from him. It had been totally silent and his clothes he had not felt the slightest breeze. Have you heard of this helicopter? Neither have I. There may not be extra-terrestrial work occuring there but I am sure that there is more happening there than we are being told about.

PS- That was in the 80's!!!

i think that the government should tell the public that they set money aside for, lets say, the government could call it "expanding our military interests" but we all know its for secret projects. but they should definitely not tell us what the money is for, even to say as much as we are spending the money on making a new plane, thats still too much information.

For me, I belivce that black spending is good. Its like the vitamin of the military.Without it, a powerful country is gone. I belive that everybody should have it

BUT FOR ONE THING!!!!!!!!

"Increase black spending on earth and apocalypse happens in no time" - James Mangun

And also another thing(s):

" To live is to kill, to kill is to gain" -James Mangun
"For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" - Romans 6:23

So you see, the earh has been soiled with evil since the beggining of time. So you see, the Bible does say that sometimes, black spending is vital, even to God's people It should even be called "white spending"

[edit on 6-4-2005 by Pinoy_ako]

Like so many others i am in between as well. One some secrecy is needed there is no dening that. However there are a few problems that I do ahve with this. One is the obvious that the fact there is open room for abuse and theft. Also another concern I have is with a thread that got moved to RATS, concerning monopolizing goverment contracts reducing competition and raising the price of the contracts. Also I would like to see if nothing else, at least how much is going into that budget. I liked the idea of a committee, designed to regulate the cash if there isn't one we do't know about already.