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Scottish Independence, Dunblane Child Murders, The Masonic Connection.

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posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: beansidhe www.scotsman.com...

Too tired to carry on. Back tomorrow evening.




posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: Kester
Only when logic, reason, and fact is set aside. The Freemasons make a convenient target for conspiracies and the UK is well-known for its unfounded anti-Masonic red scares or witch-hunts.

a reply to: Kester
Yes, yes, it's all one big farce.

I'm sure you see a conspiracy at a kid's lemonade stand.



posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 05:13 AM
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a reply to: Kester

"Hmmmm. With the obvious case of the catastrophic invasion of Iraq being clearly against majority wishes I really cannot agree."

To be fair I could not give a crap about Iraq, not exactly the most democratically oriented place on our green Earth and to be quite frank I think Westminster had a hell of a lot more to do with the situation and invasion than the Scottish people ever did(Imaginary WMDs if memory serves). Cant bring democratic process to a nation that does not desire such, it will always end in tears!


"However. Scotland. New start. Courage. These are words that resonate strongly."

They do indeed but are in no way synonymous with that Braveheart video im afraid. We are more warrior poets, scientists and engineers than cattle rustling bandits any day of the week.

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posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 08:27 AM
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originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: uncommitted

Well, if we're going to go there. Edinburgh is Jerusalem. Israel was created for destruction. Churchill was a Rothschild. Etc. etc.


lol, I guess you are joking, well, I hope you are.



posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: beansidhe

There are many references in the media to the cops with Glocks. Here for example. www.telegraph.co.uk...


The announcement comes after months of mounting pressure with officers across Scotland photographed carrying loaded guns in supermarkets and other everyday environments.


Sandra was a paramedic on the fringe of the tragedy. For seven years she was personal assistant to Mick North, father of one of the murdered children and international gun control campaigner. As a result of what she learned she eventually wrote her book. www.amazon.co.uk...

The news links show you are mistaken regarding cops with Glocks. Could you also be mistaken regarding Sandra talking mince?

The Amazon reviews are worth reading to see a range of opinions. For example the Director of the Sportsman's Association says "I recommend this book as a source of well researched information..."

The general impression I get is those suspicious of the official story have vastly more information at their fingertips than those quickly accepting the official story. A pattern we see over and over again.

I'm asking how Independence will affect dealing with Dunblane, not the other way around.

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posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: Kester
What kind of evidence does she give in the video ,which Freemasons does she implicate, and are there links so we can read the documents/case files backing up her claims? Can you give us a synopsis of the video and all the claims she has made about Freemasons being involved?



posted on Sep, 10 2014 @ 05:28 AM
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Well, firstly I appreciate the effort you have gone to to offer a response - thank you.
Not all police carry Glocks, and they are certainly not all wandering about the country heavily armed. When the forces (or services - have they decided yet?) centralised, there became difficulties in establishing where armed response units would be based, as I understand. The police don't present a threat to the people of Scotland and to suggest that they do is disingenous.
The reason that I leapt in and claimed that Sandra was talking mince, is because I know a lot of the people who lived in the area at the time and who were involved in the tragedy in different ways. I trust those people and I will always take the views of local people over outsiders, because they know an awful lot more.
I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I don't think it's going to be done by Sandra.



posted on Sep, 10 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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A sobering response on Dunblane.

Regarding the armed police. I'm a very strong supporter of the constables in general. I have called for more armed nuclear police here on ATS. However I'm aware military and intelligence sometimes masquerade as police. I can see the likelihood of twisted planners wishing to create a situation in which the rest of the public are acclimatised to the sight of armed police, and suddenly squads of armed men dressed in police uniforms act oppressively without opposition. Such deceptions have happened historically. We must be on our guard.



posted on Sep, 10 2014 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: uncommitted
...but then if you are English, Jewish or female then Gibson likes to do his best to demonise you.


So if you are a Zionist monster like the Queenie you are triply screwed.

Well, at least what's her name is cranking out more kids. God save them and all that. Or is it savor? Nom, nom, nom.


C'mon--the Queen is a reptilian in cahoots with Colonel Sanders, everybody knows that.



posted on Sep, 10 2014 @ 01:42 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc
C'mon--the Queen is a reptilian in cahoots with Colonel Sanders, everybody knows that.


Exactly! And for those of you wondering what people taste like, they taste like chicken.

Chicken with 11 herbs and spices.



posted on Sep, 10 2014 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: beansidhe

A sobering response on Dunblane.

Regarding the armed police. I'm a very strong supporter of the constables in general. I have called for more armed nuclear police here on ATS. However I'm aware military and intelligence sometimes masquerade as police. I can see the likelihood of twisted planners wishing to create a situation in which the rest of the public are acclimatised to the sight of armed police, and suddenly squads of armed men dressed in police uniforms act oppressively without opposition. Such deceptions have happened historically. We must be on our guard.


Sorry, you want the police to be armed with nukes? That sounds a tad OTT?



posted on Sep, 10 2014 @ 02:24 PM
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i live in Scotland and twice in my life have had guns pointed at me by the police, The second time 13 years ago i woke up to see armed police round my bed asking me where the gun was wtf ? , and lately this happened to a friend of mine his whole street was blocked off for hours ,but i do know that armed cops patrol Grangemouth oil terminal



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posted on Sep, 10 2014 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: douglas5

I suppose you could have said "In your hand", but that might have seemed a bit cheeky.



posted on Sep, 10 2014 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: beansidhe

A sobering response on Dunblane.

Regarding the armed police. I'm a very strong supporter of the constables in general. I have called for more armed nuclear police here on ATS. However I'm aware military and intelligence sometimes masquerade as police. I can see the likelihood of twisted planners wishing to create a situation in which the rest of the public are acclimatised to the sight of armed police, and suddenly squads of armed men dressed in police uniforms act oppressively without opposition. Such deceptions have happened historically. We must be on our guard.


It doesn't hurt to be on our guard, I will agree with you on that one. Are you thinking of private 'police' forces -God forbid. Although I would argue that if squads of armed imposter police descended, Strathclyde's finest would take unprecedented pleasure in booting them from here back to imposter land.
On the subject of nuclear police, you might be right - I have no idea how they operate, but nuclear waste is a dangerous game. You've no doubt heard the story (and a real Scottish conspiracy) of Willie McRae?




At the time of his death, McRae had been working to counter plans to dump nuclear waste from Dounreay into the sea. Due to his house being burgled on repeated occasions prior to his death, he had taken to carrying a copy of the documents relating to his Dounreay work with him at all times. However, they were not found following his death, and the sole other copy which was kept in his office was stolen when it was burgled, no other items being taken.[5]


wiki linky



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 01:10 AM
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Could you please answer some questions I posted a few days ago?

What kind of evidence does she give in the video ,which Freemasons does she implicate, and are there links so we can read the documents/case files backing up her claims? Can you give us a synopsis of the video and all the claims she has made about Freemasons being involved?



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 06:32 AM
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Sorry, I realise it's been rude of me not to respond. I'm working on so many issues, plus 'real' life, I haven't had time to triple check everything before formulating a response. And now I'm getting the familiar warnings that it's dangerous to continue. Reluctantly I'm going to have to back down on this one and just ask that all those interested do their own research. There's plenty of reading available.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 06:35 AM
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Willie McRae. How I wish I had 48 hours to each day and no need for sleep. I've seen clear evidence that the nuclear industry spies check my online work every few hours. And well they should.



posted on Sep, 12 2014 @ 09:07 PM
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It's not a big deal, I just figured you missed my post since right after I posted it a bunch of people also started posting questions. Are you trying to claim Freemasons on here are threatening you? If that's what you are trying to say then you should send the threats to the moderators or post the threats on here so we can see who's doing it. If it's non Masons on here telling you it's dangerous then you should realize they are more than likely crazy, full of it, or both. Let's look at this from a rational stand point, people/groups like David Icke, Bill Schnoebelen, Texe Marrs, the person who's info you posted, The Vatican, and the Southern Baptist Convention can post 1,000's of pages bashing Freemasonry to a much larger audience and they have been perfectly safe from Freemasons. Let's not forget that there have been 1,000's of other ATS members who have done nothing but ripped Freemasonry and claimed to expose them yet they haven't been killed by any Freemason, a few of them had claimed to be threatened but when asked for proof or names by moderators/other members they said no.



posted on Sep, 13 2014 @ 06:56 AM
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The way these type of threats are communicated is skilfully crafted to make you seem crazy for talking about it. It's not through ATS. I got the same thing when I blew the whistle on the cracks in the Ninian Central Platform.

I don't expect to be killed. There were two attempts, the first after I strongly communicated a vital message to David Davis, www.daviddavismp.com... My son's life was endangered by that attempt. A fact which I passed on to politically active military supporters in my area. I've rarely seen faces look so grim. The second attempt came just over 24 hours after I went ahead of the 1st Battalion The Rifles in 2009 carrying the web address for Intelligence Officers for 9/11 Truth. www.wiltsglosstandard.co.uk... That attempt nearly finished me off. I know what it's like having people trying to kill you for words you've used. They prefer to make it look like suicide, accident or natural causes.

I rely on my intuition to keep me safe. It works for me. One night I could tell someone was planning something nasty so I lay in wait in my garden with a weapon. When he came over the fence I said "Oi!" He stopped, I said "Oi" louder. He was back over the fence and gone. When you say, "Let's look at this from a rational stand point,.." I'm afraid you're talking to the wrong person.



A former neighbour was a nurse at a posh school. She became aware many of the boys were being sexually abused by a network of staff and visitors. After raising her concerns her life was made hell. She lived on the premises and had to work out her notice. The experience left her feeling very disturbed. Having heard her story I have no difficulty taking seriously the allegations you'll find if you search "friends of qvs".

With hindsight this thread should have been titled, Scottish Independence, Dunblane Child Murders, And Secret Societies.




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