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Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
You are correct, they are casualties of war, a one-sided war. None one of those killed or incarcerated from the Muslem side stated this war against you, you started it. It is an act of war because your side first called it such because they didn't dare call it an unwarranted invasion, how else to get those to march in lock-step as to call it a war? Actually, I don't even think war was declared. If you didn't go in there shooting up these people, then you wouldn't have to worry about using the ruse of defense now, would you?
Originally posted by JaruselehI don't know about you, but if I had a choice of dieing by a bullet to the head, or nerve gas, I'd take the bullet. The difference between the US and Sadam is we're there to help. Yes, people are dying. Yes, civilians are dying. No, we're not happy about this, but they are casualties of war. It happens in every war. So it's either A.) die with the hope that your country and some of your family who are still alive might see better days, or B.) Die a miserable death with no hope of anything for your family. Some things are worth dying for.
Bin Laden declared war on the US. And like you, he is probably of the same belief that the civilians killed on 9/11 are just casualties, and wonders why their families just don’t so get over it. Makes perfect sense the way you see it, n’est-ce pas?
21 months later, and supporters of this heinous invasion andoccupation are still making apologist statements, obviously to soothe their own anxieties over same.
Originally posted by Becky
You have already said that you think Hussein was not a horrible dictator. Now you are defending honor killing, the murder of women.
You don't deserve the freedoms of the American flag you live under.
No one is happy that civilians are dying. But when this is all said and done, iraq will no longer be under the rule of a dictator
Those people were tortured, and I'm not talking about getting a few humiliating pictures taken of them.
At least now, once our job there is done, and we leave, they will have a chance at something better.
Compare it to the American civil war
Originally posted by Jaruseleh... But when this is all said and done, iraq will no longer be under the rule of a dictator who butchers his own people for the sake of his own sick pleasure. Those people were tortured, and I'm not talking about getting a few humiliating pictures taken of them.
It is purely a guess to say they will be better off, and a bad one at that, since Britain had the same argument decades ago. "Those people" despite the propaganda that fills you, had a fairly decent life, and a life far better than they have had for the last 20 months, a 20 month span filled with inflicted misery, pain, loss of life, shelter, water, food, all at the hands of foreigners who present that nonsense to them as being liberation for a better life. I can't imagine a better life ahead of me if my home was destroyed, I had no job, and all my familiy members especially my children were killed. Can you? I sure as heck would not be sitting there in my misery and despair thinking about future generations either. This type of bombast about it being better for them is equivalent to sleazy salesmanship, for Hussein wouldn't have lived forever, and there is nothing to say that the citizens themselves would not eventually turn against him and his sons, as they do you now turn against the tyrannical invader. Obviously then your analogy is lacking veracity.
In the long run, this is a good thing for that country. Those people had absolutely NO hope of a better life before we got there. At least now, once our job there is done, and we leave, they will have a chance at something better. I know that's the not the main reason we're there fighting, but it is ONE of the reasons.
Exactly correct, and see above. The Iraqi citizens, just as the Americans, would handle the internal conflict themselves, and then decide amongst themselves how to move forward. No amount of despotism will cause a people to not rise up, and certainly not Muslems as their history teaches us. Other than that this analogy also fails to support the foreign invasion that you deemed to be in need of saving, since the last time a foreign force came onto your soil to save you from your wayward way of life as they saw it, you fought like maniacs to throw them out.
Compare it to the American civil war, if you will.