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ISIS Rebranding or Misinformation by whom?

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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:07 PM
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originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: AnteBellum

I think isis made isis they are using every tactic to confuse the people, sure they have weapons from America but what country doesn't?

This reminds me of the history of the assassins.

en.m.wikipedia.org...


Russia doesn't.
China doesn't.
Ukraine doesn't.. oh wait.. now they do..




posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:07 PM
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a reply to: jajaja

Since you seem to be adept at analyzing photos online, please go to the link and show us proof that the tattoo was present in the original photo, then removed by the news media that posted it.
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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:08 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: jajaja

Since you seem to be adept at analyzing photos online, please go to the link and show us proof that the tattoo was present in the original photo, then removed by the news media that posted it.
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It is a JPG, lossy compression, looks high on compression (thus high in artifacts and lost data), low resolution, a lot of the colours are smeared, approximated, not a good source to do image processing from, even I admit that, why can't you?


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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:09 PM
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a reply to: CoherentlyConfused

I think you're probably right.

If ISIS were deliberately created by the US, it would be as an excuse for action. So far, Obama has done nothing.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:13 PM
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a reply to: jajaja

Did some googling about image quality, I see.

One does not need to be a photographer to see with the naked eye that the skin behind the tattoo is different from surrounding skin.

But this thread is not about the faked image. It's about who would create such a forgery in attempt to smear the US.

RussiaToday comes to mind...



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:13 PM
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a reply to: AnteBellum

Well, these days it doesn't matter what-happens-where somebody is going to say "America is responsible".

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this photoshopped image originated in some conspiracy obsessed clown's basement in the US. People will make dishonest efforts to try and strengthen their viewpoints. You see this carry on all the time with the moon-hoax and the chemtrail crowds. "So what if I photoshopped the picture, it's still the truth!"

Why would somebody affiliated with or actually a member of ISIS do this? I don't think they would bother to be honest. The idea of them trying to 'cover their tracks' is laughable. Every body knows that they are nothing but cowardly savages, capable of inhuman cruelty.

Putting a fake tattoo on some s**thead's arm in a picture would achieve nothing except making some spotty know-it-all info-warrior's little d**k hard.


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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:14 PM
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originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: jajaja

Did some googling about image quality, I see.

One does not need to be a photographer to see with the naked eye that the skin behind the tattoo is different from surrounding skin.

But this thread is not about the faked image. It's about who would create such a forgery in attempt to smear the US.

RussiaToday comes to mind...



I know what it is about, nobody has to do anything to "smear" the US, they are very good at that all by themselves. No help is needed.

What about those Russian "self mobile" (not so self mobile as they are TOWED) Artillary guns that are apparently firing into Ukraine from Russia? However, if you actually read the map, they are inside Ukraine, firing inside Ukraine, not from Russia.




This is American Intelligence ( an oxymoron ) images, so who is faking who? Everybody is, everybody has an agenda, still waiting on those satellite images of the downed flight proof.






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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: jajaja

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: jajaja

Since you seem to be adept at analyzing photos online, please go to the link and show us proof that the tattoo was present in the original photo, then removed by the news media that posted it.
Link


It is a JPG, lossy compression, looks high on compression (thus high in artifacts and lost data), low resolution, a lot of the colours are smeared, approximated, not a good source to do image processing from, even I admit that, why can't you?


I have made no claims.
You are asking me to admit that you were asking people to analyze a photo that you now claim is too shabby to use for proof?
Is that what you are asking me to admit?



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: thesaneone

Amazing how fast this thread attracted this:


Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.




Yes, that is exactly what happened, but you let it, and so much so a mod had to come in and lay a foot down. For future reference, don't feed the troll, but ignore the troll and discuss what really is important in this story which is ...

We either have IS attempting to sway U.S. and regional public opinion against our government for messing in the affairs of the region in a hostile and destabilizing manner ... or ... we have the U.S. Government attempting to garnish public opinion against IS for "attempting to implicate" the U.S.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: jajaja

Am I getting this right? DO you contend that the image in the OP is of a real tattoo on some ISIS guy's arm? And that he is actually American military?



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:22 PM
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originally posted by: seabhac-rua
a reply to: jajaja

Am I getting this right? DO you contend that the image in the OP is of a real tattoo on some ISIS guy's arm? And that he is actually American military?



I don't have a good image to make that detemination, analytically with numbers, just as anybody else here cannot either, unless they can, but have yet to show it.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:23 PM
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a reply to: AllSourceIntel

Or a third party attempting to promulgate the notion that the US created ISIS, in an attempt at subversion.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:24 PM
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originally posted by: AllSourceIntel

We either have IS attempting to sway U.S. and regional public opinion against our government for messing in the affairs of the region in a hostile and destabilizing manner ... or ... we have the U.S. Government attempting to garnish public opinion against IS for "attempting to implicate" the U.S.


Why should it be either?

Anybody could make this picture.

I say some person with nothing better to do with their time made this image to either stir up some argument or to prove a point.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:24 PM
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originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: AllSourceIntel

Or a third party attempting to promulgate the notion that the US created ISIS, in an attempt at subversion.


Or, the US did that to make you think somebody else did it so you believe the US is the poor victim here. After all, for the past decade all we have heard is them playing victim screaming 9/11 everytime they want attention or to get their way.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:28 PM
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originally posted by: seabhac-rua

originally posted by: AllSourceIntel

We either have IS attempting to sway U.S. and regional public opinion against our government for messing in the affairs of the region in a hostile and destabilizing manner ... or ... we have the U.S. Government attempting to garnish public opinion against IS for "attempting to implicate" the U.S.


Why should it be either?

Anybody could make this picture.

I say some person with nothing better to do with their time made this image to either stir up some argument or to prove a point.



That is true, but these would be the two most likely scenario's, however,

originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: AllSourceIntel

Or a third party attempting to promulgate the notion that the US created ISIS, in an attempt at subversion.


Is also a highly likely scenario, thank you. Russia, Israel, Iran, and Saudi Arabia come to mind as possible third parties.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:42 PM
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a reply to: AllSourceIntel

Seriously? We're talking about the world's movers and shakers here, the big dogs, the superpowers.

And this is what they do? A crappy photoshopped image?

It must be a slow night in conspiracy land!


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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: seabhac-rua
That doesn't mean they are not infallible or people, and the technology available to them, are wiser and quicker to catch them where otherwise they would get away with such an effort (for a certain amount of time). Look how quickly we call B.S. on these institutions these days and how quickly that B.S. is shown to be just that.

And of course, there is always the possibility they did a crappy job on purpose to promote this exact type confusion.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 06:58 PM
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a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

Thank you OMR I was begining to get a migraine since I basically have been arguing with a non ATS person with the same debate.
Russia does come to mind also, but what would they gain other then the typical eye for eye bragging rights in line with Ukraine's events.
All these little hoaxes are like powder kegs for those with certain agendas. I was equally disgusted with the propaganda video the USA sent using ISIL social media posts. I can't help but not trust anything anymore, it all seems so produced for consumption if you ask me. And when you mix that with the potential for war, war with our funds, our people and our allies it makes me feel dirty being part of it.
Even Canada got into the act today, what next tattoos of maple leaves while holding hockey sticks?



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 07:04 PM
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a reply to: seabhac-rua


I say some person with nothing better to do with their time made this image to either stir up some argument or to prove a point.


Great point. There is that possibility also. Which I would contend is commercialist in nature, to attract attention.


Your next post adds the futility of such a hoax by a superpower, another great point. That's why the video the US made upset me yesterday so much. Have the US really sunk to this level now.
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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: AnteBellum

Strategically, if Russia were able to draw the U.S. into deep involvement fighting IS they would relieve themselves of pressure and threat from the brunt of a NATO led force being led and supplied by the U.S. This would be especially important if they do end up going all out in Ukraine or if NATO goes into Eastern Ukraine (New Russia). If the U.S. and NATO were to go up against Russia, we would only *want* small portions of our military fighting other campaigns.
edit on 9/7/2014 by AllSourceIntel because: added *want*

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