The LIVITICAL CODE IS DEAD, I can prove it!!!

a reply to: Akragon

What will really chap his hide, is when he realizes Marduk, not YHWH was most high. He's worshipping the wrong father.

Isaiah 45 and the Cyrus Cylinder. It burns. :-)

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: sacgamer25

He fulfilled the law of perfection so that he may offer a new law, to live under Grace.

The Levitical laws were not perfect....

And Jesus did not even use the word Grace... Let alone give a law describing it...

Once again, you're thinking of Paul... Not Jesus

You don't believe the Levitcal Code was given by a prophet of God at all.

And you still don't understand Paul. Grace is God's unconditional love for all mankind, not just those who perform the Catholic rituals.

Paul believed Jesus Christ, was the Holy Spirit. You support Buddhism and the "light" within all men correct?

What is hard to understand? Paul thinks Jesus Christ is that "light", the same Holy Spirit that is within all men.

Just as Buddah could not use another term than that which revelation came to him, "light".

Paul could use no other term to describe the same revelation that came to him, "Jesus Christ"

The light in Buddha is the equivalent of "Jesus Christ" in Paul's letters.

Since Paul believed Jesus Christ was the light, He would naturally use the name given to the light, when he came in the flesh, Jesus Christ.

We are all connected to the supernatural light, all the prophets agree, Paul calls this light Jesus Christ.

You don't have to believe Jesus Christ is the supernatural light that Buddah speaks of. But if your ever going to understand Paul, writings that the church can't grasp, you have to understand Paul believed Jesus Christ was the supernatural light that we are all connected too.

In order to understand scripture as well a you do, you must believe in the supernatural light? Or am I making a poor assumption?

If you thought Jesus Christ wad the supernatural light, you would write letters that sounded just like Paul's. If you don't believe me read Paul, everytime he says Jesus Christ, believe at least that he is speaking of the supernatural connection that is within all men.

If you can really understand and do what I say when reading Paul, you will see how Paul is teaching something very similar to eastern philosophy, only his name for the light is Jesus Christ.

a reply to: Not Authorized

No, we can't say what goes on in your bedroom is our business. It does become our business when young children and young women are forced into prostitution.

I say the reason prostitution flourishes is because of exploitation of young women. They aren't given the same opportunities as men in the workplace, they often have children to feed, but many are forced into it.

If we say economics is the reason for it, well, they are generally making only enough to survive for a day, unless they work in a high class brothel, but even then, the madam or pimp is making more than them. That is also exploitation. But then you have the young women who come from fairly well off families who might just want to do that.

The porn industry makes so much money that the regular film industry is taking notice. So that's also exploitation because the porn director is making more money than the stars.

If you choose to film you and your of age, non-exploited partner and then want to view the film between you and that partner, that is one thing. But the moment you decide to distribute it for money, then you both should receive the same amount of money. If they aren't getting the equal share, then you are exploiting them, even if it was consensual.

And if you are pimping out your partner for a sex video for money, then it is still prostitution.

But hey, if it is contained solely within your bedroom, no making money off it and certainly the partner was of age, then by all means continue. But remember, if you make money from it and don't give them equal share, then you exploited them.

a reply to: sacgamer25

Im not a Buddhist if that's what you are thinking... I most definitely appreciate their philosophical ideas though

You don't believe the Levitcal Code was given by a prophet of God at all.

No... I believe the levitical laws were given by levite priests in order to keep control over their people because they were...

And you still don't understand Paul. Grace is God's unconditional love for all mankind, not just those who perform the Catholic rituals.

Well that is your opinion... I understand Paul perfectly well... the word Grace is used by John in the correct terminology... Its used to describe the ways of Jesus... The ease of how he answered peoples questions and the way he conducted himself... Gracefully...

Paul twisted the meaning of the word to suit his preaching... substituting "grace" for power...

Paul believed Jesus Christ, was the Holy Spirit. You support Buddhism and the "light" within all men correct?

What is hard to understand? Paul thinks Jesus Christ is that "light", the same Holy Spirit that is within all men.

Just as Buddah could not use another term than that which revelation came to him, "light".

Paul could use no other term to describe the same revelation that came to him, "Jesus Christ"

The light in Buddha is the equivalent of "Jesus Christ" in Paul's letters.

Interesting... I would personally love to see you present that idea to a church congregation... I believe they might try to lynch you...

In order to understand scripture as well a you do, you must believe in the supernatural light? Or am I making a poor assumption?

Without a doubt... but Paul seems to use his name as a buzz word.... Everything Paul says is about being "In Jesus".... He puts a whitewash over everything Jesus actually taught and substitutes it for "faith alone"

If you thought Jesus Christ wad the supernatural light, you would write letters that sounded just like Paul's. If you don't believe me read Paul, everytime he says Jesus Christ, believe at least that he is speaking of the supernatural connection that is within all men.

Well no I wouldn't... I make no claim to be a prophet, or a leader of any group or congregation... I want no followers like Paul clearly did...

I would never make a claim like "I am your spiritual Father" like Paul boldly did...

And I've read Paul's work many many times... and I still don't trust the man's writing...

If you can really understand and do what I say when reading Paul, you start to see how Paul is teaching something very similar to eastern philosophy, only his name for the light is Jesus Christ.

See the problem is... Pauls teaching is not very similar to Jesus'

Faith alone is not what Jesus taught...

a reply to: WarminIndy

Again. You ignore the root cause. If everybody was taken care of, as Jesus commanded you to do so, we would not be having this conversion.

There would be no money, for said industry. Basic needs would be met already.

Whoa to the rich man, if I recall his words correctly. Are you able to give up money? No? Check your fur. It is not what you think it is.

originally posted by: Not Authorized
a reply to: sacgamer25

Again, you turn a blind eye that our currency causes this. If you acknowledged money is the root of all evil, you would have a solution. If everyone had basic needs guaranteed, you would no longer have a need for such prostitution.

You would find a way to allow them a path to quote, sin no more.

You wish to keep someone, anyone, oppressed, in order to flex temporal power over others. I assure you, Jesus will call you a goat with this attitude.

Except those that are only in it for the fun.

It is not always about the money, sometimes it is just for kicks.

originally posted by: Not Authorized
a reply to: WarminIndy

Again. You ignore the root cause. If everybody was taken care of, as Jesus commanded you to do so, we would not be having this conversion.

There would be no money, for said industry. Basic needs would be met already.

Whoa to the rich man, if I recall his words correctly. Are you able to give up money? No? Check your fur. It is not what you think it is.

Am I a rich person? I don't think there is anyone who knows me in these threads who ever thought that I saying anything in regard toward wealth and fame. I think that is a baseless accusation.

It doesn't matter if everyone has basic needs met, sometimes some people are still going to do it. I don't think I defend prostitution, but I do try to be fair enough to consider why people do it.

The number one rule of business, without a CUSTOMER, there would be no business. Supply and demand is based on what? Customers.

I don't care if a business produces the best thing ever, if no one wants it, no one will buy it. Take it down to the customer level and consider that this is where the whole business starts. Customer demand.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Make up your mind. Is it being exploited for money, or just for kicks? I consider this moving the goal posts. Have to find a way to justify oppression somehow.

Remove money, as it was created to tally spoils gained in war. Not to run society. Everyone with basic needs taken care of? No reason to trade your child into that nonsense. That would collapse the cause of the entire industry, overnight. Poverty would end. Money wouldn't exist. Your entire concept of a customer would change.

Can you give up money, for abundance to remove 99% of the root problem? Yes, or no? Simple question.

Whoa to the rich man. It is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle, than to enter heaven. Just the concept of money, is a measure and weight to use against your neighbor.

I assure you, your fur is not one of a sheep. What ever you do to one of his, you do to him. Using an oppressive money system that forces poverty? Which end of the money spectrum do you live in? Running water with indoor plumbing? Or, tin cans and pits outside your door to bury your waste?

It is the same as doing it to him too.

I'm addressing the root. You are addressing a symptom.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: sacgamer25

Just as Buddah could not use another term than that which revelation came to him, "light".

Paul could use no other term to describe the same revelation that came to him, "Jesus Christ"

The light in Buddha is the equivalent of "Jesus Christ" in Paul's letters.

Interesting... I would personally love to see you present that idea to a church congregation... I believe they might try to lynch you...

Actually that is precisely what I intended to prove to the entire congregation.

In order to understand scripture as well a you do, you must believe in the supernatural light? Or am I making a poor assumption?

Without a doubt... but Paul seems to use his name as a buzz word.... Everything Paul says is about being "In Jesus".... He puts a whitewash over everything Jesus actually taught and substitutes it for "faith alone"

Grace = God's unconditional love for everyone.

How do you know God loves you? Faith only, so you only know Grace if you believe in it.

If someone doesn't believe God loves them, I can recite a million words from a book, but God's love is only know by having faith in it.

This is the beginning of Paul's teaching. The end is what are you supposed to do after you believe God loves you. He says that anyone who claims to be a disciple cannot go around sinning.

Paul teaches by faith you believe God loves you even though you are imperfect. And by works you demonstrate that love to others.

Faith in God's love is the begging of salvation. And faith in God's love is the most important faith for one's own mental state.

Someday I will break the Catholic curse over Paul's letters and reveal the truth in his teaching.

a reply to: sacgamer25

Matthias, not "Paul" replaced Judas.

You need to look at Rev 2:2. Paul matches the false apostle warning. Ephesus was also one of his bases of operation. Even John said the Anti Christ had already come.

Was everybody to see Christ's return, or just Paul? Paul was a Pharisee. He followed the Talmud, the Oral law. I recommend you start questioning his story and authority.

a reply to: WarminIndy

This is where we agree. What two two consenting people do in their bedroom is up to them. No verse in scripture stands between a married couple in the bedroom, so long as it is consensual and mutually pleasurable.

I would prefer these consensual mutually pleasing sexual encounters not be sold for others to view, but this is simply my opinion, Not supported by scripture.

No one should ever be exploited sexually. Sexuality is about love for one another, their is no love in exploitation.

a reply to: sacgamer25

Grace = God's unconditional love for everyone.

How do you know God loves you? Faith only, so you only know Grace if you believe in it.

If someone doesn't believe God loves them, I can recite a million words from a book, but God's love is only know by having faith in it.

Having Faith in Gods love does not change whether or not HE actually does love a person...

And though its a wonderful thing to believe God loves everyone... the bible does not agree with that... especially the books of the OT... where in this so called god hates a good number of men, women, and children... Lucky for you those books are not of the same God

This is the beginning of Paul's teaching. The end is what are you supposed to do after you believe God loves you. He says that anyone who claims to be a disciple cannot go around sinning.

Which simply makes Paul the greatest hypocrite of the bible... As if he was perfect while admitting he is the chief of all sinners... Paul uses the parental formula "do as I say, not as I do"... unless of course you believe Paul did not sin after his miraculous conversion?

I am personally not of that opinion... He was a normal man just like anyone else... and likely sinned on the regular just like the rest of us...

Paul teaches by faith you believe God loves you even though you are imperfect. And by works you demonstrate that love to others.

Faith in God's love is the begging of salvation. And faith in God's love is the most important faith for one's own mental state.

On the other hand Jesus teaches that one should love God... and prove your love of God by showing your works which glorify HIM... And to love your neighbour as yourself... but not everyone IS actually your neighbour... did you know he taught that? You might be surprised at what the answer to "who is your neighbour" really is... because it is NOT everyone according to his words...

Someday I will break the Catholic curse over Paul's letter and reveal the truth in his teaching.

I wish you all the luck in the world on that... but somehow I doubt it will change anything...

Most churches still prefers Pauls words to Jesus... even though they claim otherwise

originally posted by: Not Authorized
a reply to: sacgamer25

Matthias, not "Paul" replaced Judas.

You need to look at Rev 2:2. Paul matches the false apostle warning. Ephesus was also one of his bases of operation. Even John said the Anti Christ had already come.

Was everybody to see Christ's return, or just Paul? Paul was a Pharisee. He followed the Talmud, the Oral law. I recommend you start questioning his story and authority.

Over 40,000 denominations of Christianity. That means 40,000 false apostles, false teachers, false religions. You don't need to blame Paul. All Paul did is write some letters that the church still fails to comprehend.

Jesus's words are not complicated, so we don't have 40,000 denominations because of his teaching. We have 40,000 denominations of men who claimed to understand Paul better than everyone else.

This understanding gave them the right to turn stones into bread and tell you to follow them, give them tithes, or go to hell.

I claim to understand Paul better than the 40,000 denominations of Christianity but I wouldn't dare try to sell the words of God, this is why I give what I believe away freely.

Freely I was given, so freely I must give.

a reply to: Akragon

My neighbor is anyone who shows me kindness, but I am to show kindness and love to even my enemy, who is not my neighbor.

And I still believe Paul believed that everyone has Grace, God's love, but not all have the faith to believe.

I believe Paul thought God's love was great enough to cover all sins, but that one must believe the message in order to feel the truth within.

2000 years ago the idea that God's love covered all sin was blasphemy. They still believed in ritual salvation. Maybe that is why in the letters he wrote 2000 years ago he was so adamant that the followers of Christ had faith in this love, Grace.

We have Jesus to thank for teaching us God's love and ability to forgive all sins. If his teaching would have died on the cross we would not have this teaching today.

Added: Paul actually was against ritual, he is the one who claimed he was happy he had not baptized in water, and discourage them from saying they followed Paul. He was teaching on the light within, not an external Christ.

a reply to: sacgamer25

I like that answer... but that isn't what Jesus taught...

Those who show mercy are your neighbour... and even an enemy can show mercy...

It seems that those who show indifference are those he would say to avoid...

I can credit Paul with giving a definition of Love that Is beyond compare... but little else...

Said definition helps prove my case that the OT is not of God...

Paul actually was against ritual, he is the one who claimed he was happy he had not baptized in water, and discourage them from saying they followed Paul.

Well Paul wrote to he Corinthians and told them he was an example to be followed...

Personally I think that speaks volumes about his motives...

He wanted a following... and Used Jesus name to get what he wanted

a reply to: Akragon

Hey Akra, long time since talking.

Did the guy say that the light in Buddha was what Paul called Jesus Christ?

OK, now here's what is funny about that...

Jesus came as a sacrifice for others, but Buddha believe in self-immolation. Jesus was crucifed because of the sins of others, Buddha sacrificed his own family in order to wander around the country side to tell people that if they didn't think about being hungry, then they wouldn't suffer. Jesus said to His disciples "take the bread and the fish and distribute it among them, because they are hungry" and then Jesus taught His disciples to have charity, because charity was important.

Jesus said

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Nope, not really seeing a similarity with Jesus and Buddha. There is a huge difference in healing the broken hearted and telling the broken hearted to not think about it.

a reply to: sacgamer25

Yes, Jesus's words were simple. He warned you of wolves in sheep's clothing after he left, yes? Was Paul a member of the tribe of Benjamin?

Genesis 49:27 - Benjamin is a ravenous wolf; In the morning he devours the prey, And in the evening he divides the spoil."

Ever notice how it is always what Paul said, not Jesus? What is the definition of Pseudo? Anti can mean in place of, not absolutely against.

Hmmmmmmm. Seems Paul is quoted more than Jesus himself in today's churches. Nor, are they very unified, as Christ prayed for. They all follow "Paul".

a reply to: WarminIndy

Well... there actually are a good number of striking similarities between their teachings...

Anyone can very easily find the truth of that matter with a quick search...

Though Buddha wasn't turned into a God like Jesus was... And Christianity has been far more destructive on the world then Buddhism has been...

In any case I would take the teaching of Buddha over the OT any day of the week... Or Paul for that matter

Good to chat again btw

a reply to: WarminIndy

Buddah was a prophet. He claimed devine inspiration from the northern star, the light.

He was not messiah, nor did he claim to be a messiah. He was teaching a man to look within himself for the light that would guide them.

Matthew 10:34-39
34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’
37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

In regards to marriage and leaving his wife, who by accounts were left behind with both family and money, one can separate over matters of faith.

1 Corinthians 7:15

15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.

Buddah leaving his family to seek God is allowed by the biblical texts.

To better understand the similarities you can try reading "Living Buddah Living Christ".

originally posted by: Not Authorized
a reply to: sacgamer25

Yes, Jesus's words were simple. He warned you of wolves in sheep's clothing after he left, yes? Was Paul a member of the tribe of Benjamin?

Genesis 49:27 - Benjamin is a ravenous wolf; In the morning he devours the prey, And in the evening he divides the spoil."

Ever notice how it is always what Paul said, not Jesus? What is the definition of Pseudo? Anti can mean in place of, not absolutely against.

Hmmmmmmm. Seems Paul is quoted more than Jesus himself in today's churches.

I am a Christian, but always say first what Jesus said. If Jesus didn't say it or agree with it then I am under no obligation to receive it.

But your assessment that there are 40,000 different denominations, that's quite a stretch, because it means that there are 40,000 independent churches, no, that is not true.

What you perceive are different branches within same denominations, that doesn't make them different altogether. That is a Muslim accusation.

We can go through the list and see what is going on...

Catholic..
Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Irish Catholic, Coptic Christianity, and all those

Reform
Lutheran, Anglican, Presbyterian, German Reform, Baptist, Anabaptist, Mennonite, Church of Scotland, Church of Christ

Quaker
Friends

Pentecostal
Church of God, Cleveland Assembly, Church of God in Christ, Church of God of Prophecy, Assembly of God, Pentecostal Holiness International, Foursquare Gospel,

Baptist
Plymouth Brethren, Huguenot, Southern Baptist Convention, Fundamental Baptist, Independent Baptist, Holiness Baptist, Primitive Baptist

Wesleyan
Wesleyan, Methodist

I missed a lot more, but you get the idea. There are not 40,000 different denominations, there are really maybe only a handful, but all the subgroups belong in one way or another to the overall group. They simply have a few minor points within the larger group. That is all.

The very one thing all of these agree on, Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, all of them believe that. To remove that means that church is no longer Christian.