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originally posted by: borntowatch
It seems endless this homosexuality and Christian war, I think its been blown out of proportion,
not a lot of Christians are that active in the issue.
Though there are many loud church goers who are.
Anyway, I plan to put a little spin and possibly find a reasonable answer to an issue I have
Whats worse, the sin of homosexuality or the sin of remarriage in Christians, in light of
Matthew 5:31-32: "It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery."
Paul makes comments to the unmarried in Corinthians 7:8-9 and then the married 7:10-11. If married Christians separate, they cannot remarry.
So in all fairness do Christians judge a husband and wife who have been divorced in the church, the way they would treat a practising homosexual in the church?
I know Christians who have divorced and remarried another spouse who was a Christian, the church doesnt seem to see the sin the same way they see the sin of homosexuality.
Now to any Christian who reads this and thinks I am judging them, no.
I am interested in hearing reasoning and thought.
To any atheists who want to say that the Bible is fiction and a fairytale, why, we already know your opinion, over and over and over.
My opinion: it's no one else's business whether people choose to end a non-functioning relationship and try another
It's a matter of trust. I consider vows and oaths to be pretty serious commitments.
What worked at one time doesn't necessarily work 'forever'.
4 Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, ALL THE PEOPLE FROM EVERY QUARTER, surrounded the house. 5 And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.”
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their (STRAIGHT) women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the (STRAIGHT) men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
originally posted by: sacgamer25
a reply to: WarminIndy
Have you actually read the story about sodom and Gomorrah? Are you saying it's ok for an entire city, everyone young and old, to want to have sex with two travelers?
Lot is afraid for the two travels safety, begging the rest of the city not to do what hey we're planning.
In no way does the story suggest anything is being done in mutual agreement. I'm pretty sure the two travelers were not looking to be sexual partners to everyone living in Soddom.
And I've never heard anyone make the claim you are making about this event. I suggest you go back and read the story, Genesis 19, before you continue to spread falsehoods about what was taking place.
The only consensual relationship allowed in any of the religious text is between no more than 2 people. So an entire city of people trying to have sex with 2 travelers is perverse no matter what you think about the meaning of words.
I wish I understood your point, but since you don't appear to have a grasp on scripture it is hard for me to understand what you are trying to say.
originally posted by: sacgamer25
In Sodom we can see this is not about homosexuality but in fact this is an entire city who wishes to rape 2 travelers.
II Kings 23:4 And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of the temple of the Lord all the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: and he burned them without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Bethel.
5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.
6 And he brought out the grove from the house of the Lord, without Jerusalem, unto the brook Kidron, and burned it at the brook Kidron, and stamped it small to powder, and cast the powder thereof upon the graves of the children of the people.
7 And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the Lord, where the women wove hangings for the grove.
8 And he brought all the priests out of the cities of Judah, and defiled the high places where the priests had burned incense, from Geba to Beersheba, and brake down the high places of the gates that were in the entering in of the gate of Joshua the governor of the city, which were on a man's left hand at the gate of the city.
9 Nevertheless the priests of the high places came not up to the altar of the Lord in Jerusalem, but they did eat of the unleavened bread among their brethren.
19 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”
9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.
10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.
12 The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the Lord against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”
14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry his daughters. He said, “Hurry and get out of this place, because the Lord is about to destroy the city!” But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.
15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished.”
16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the Lord was merciful to them. 17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, “Flee for your lives! Don’t look back, and don’t stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!”
18 But Lot said to them, “No, my lords, please! 19 Your servant has found favor in your[d] eyes, and you have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can’t flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I’ll die. 20 Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it—it is very small, isn’t it? Then my life will be spared.”
21 He said to him, “Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of. 22 But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it.” (That is why the town was called Zoar.)
23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.