posted on Dec, 7 2004 @ 07:37 PM
Originally posted by LostSailor
Originally posted by BillyTheCat
1/ Very few have any form of previous combat experience in a counter insurgency situation.
2/ Large numbers come across as being very arrogant and very dumb.
3/ There appears to be very little leadership or supervision at squad/team level.
4/ An attitude of "I want to kill someone before I leave Iraq" is prevalent.
5/ They have no regard for human life, apart from their own.
6/ Without their vehicles they appear to be unable to operate in any capacity what so ever.
7/ The Rules of Engagement are completely ignored every day.
8/ Some appear to have had no schooling or education of any kind.
9/ There is no desire to try to understand the customs or indeed the people of Iraq.
10/ Many come from National Guard units, who simply are not up to the job out here.
11/ None of them appear to be aware of any plan to bring stability to the country.
Sounds like the typical US soldier... Whats the point? They are trained to kill
The thing is, the allies in WWII were also trained to kill, but once the war was obver they acted like human beings and needed to in order to rebuild
an entire hostil but subdued country. I think that the people advocating a little humanity woudl note that the british troops dont' get fired on as
much as the american. Perversely enough, the muck that is the modern middle east is largely the result of actions of the british. But they're just
so god damned polite, ya'd feel bad sticking a knife in their back.
Its a trade off.
They aren't over there to learn Arabic or whats so special about the Iraqi culture.
Bad idea since its going to be an extremely long deployment. Being able to speak to people in their own language goes a long way. Americans tend to
have no tolerance for a babling iraqi/middle eastern immigrant who can't 'talk good english', so imagine how much worse it is the other way
One small exampe is that the brits took their helmets off and sunglasses off while deployed in iraq. THey didn't get snipped into oblivion, people
related to them. The americans, well sunglasses are kickass right? So they don't take them off. The average guy on teh street can't relate to
them as well. Hell, I read a news article where the kids thought that they were x-ray glasses. One kid got to play with the glasses and he was like
'turn them on'. The joes were liek 'wtf?' Meanwhile, how much closer to the edge do you think the young iraqi men get when they see decadent
bar-bar-ing american oggling the bodies of virtuous iraqi women with their x-ray goggles?
How can a nation get rebuilt if the joes are sitting ehind barricade and patroling in armour? That not how germany or japan was occupied. Granted,
there wasn't the same sort of insurgency, but what happens when the insurgency gets tamped down? They need to be able to relate to the people.
Why should our guys have to follow them if the other side ain't?
The rules of engagment exist to prevent unnessesary killing on both sides. Irregardless a solider will attack when threatened.