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France Risks loosing $20billion Rafael Deal with India over Mistral Row with Russia

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posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 02:42 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04



Europe weak


To Further continue your point.

Europe faces fresh recession as GDP dips

Yet the recovery propaganda continues.

Europe's job better than America's





Yet by some measures, Europe is doing better. It's been more successful in keeping people working, letting the disabled stay on the job and boosting the proportion of women in the workforce.


If you ask anyone in Europe and Italy,Greece with an open mind they will say to you this likely 100% false.




posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 02:55 AM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

And that has what to do with Russia's currency value dropping? Nothing? Nice red herring.



posted on Dec, 23 2014 @ 12:42 AM
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originally posted by: Britguy
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Imposing sanctions is always going to have a short term initial effect, just look at Iran. However, once trade deals with other nations come into play, outside of the sanctions, things pick up again, as is already happening.

The money men control ALL finances, so can spout off about the Rouble all they like, as they obviously control it's value outside of Russia, against other currencies. However, it's meaningless when that currency is used with the new trading partners and no longer controlled by the criminal bankers.

Short term huh, Ruble has lost over half of it's value.



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

You`re wrong, the Dollar is strong so 40 to the Dollar would be normal for now, but because of lower oil prices the Rouble is also 30/40% lower as to what it was.

So it`s now actual right where it should to be with free floating at 34.5% loss and stable.



posted on Dec, 24 2014 @ 10:43 PM
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The Indians are a nightmare to do business with, France "signed" this deal years ago and yet they still havnt delivered a Jet? Eurofighter just diverts planes off the line, Rafale would do the same to India.

The reason why the deal wont go ahead is India, nothing to do with Russia.

India thinks its some kind of upcoming Superpower, it isnt, its an uncivilised Rape loving country with very poor sanitation in the main, its also massively overpopulated with a huge divide between rich and poor.

Its at a constant state of almost nuclear war with Pakistan, doesnt seem to have a coherent arms policy (buying Russian, UK, Chinese, American and French and god knows who else). It has a space race and yet its own indigenous Aerospace Industry HAL is seemingly unable to match 4th Gen tech.

It cant build an aircraft carrier, it can only make light aircraft trainers, they can put together kits of more advanced front line aircraft but I hear anecdotally that the Airforce prefer those jets built abroad despite their ISO accreditation.

Like I said, if the France deal to supply Rafale falls through its because of the Indians, not the Russians illegal invasion of Crimeria and promulgation of Terrorism in Ukraine including shooting down a civilian airliner.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 11:27 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

You`re wrong, the Dollar is strong so 40 to the Dollar would be normal for now, but because of lower oil prices the Rouble is also 30/40% lower as to what it was.

So it`s now actual right where it should to be with free floating at 34.5% loss and stable.

You just contradicted yourself. It can not where it should be .. and be 40% lower because of lower oil prices that is killing their economy. It's just hilarious how much you contradict yourself in every thread. Which is it ... exactly where it should be, or massively lower (30-40%) than it should be?



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 12:35 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

With free floating it is where it should be with the oil price being as it is.

Russia chooses to let it free float and not to peg it, so the ordinary Russians are feeling it, but at the same time when oil prices go up again the Rouble will strengthen again.

A lower currency is actual good for export and by so an economy, so it also has its advantages.

Right now the Rouble stands at 33.75% loss compared to 40 to the Dollar.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 02:11 AM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

With free floating it is where it should be with the oil price being as it is.

Which has nothing to do with the argument being made. Of course it is where it belongs due to sanctions. That's the exact argument I made, and you just said was right .. despite your yammering it's wrong.


Russia chooses to let it free float and not to peg it, so the ordinary Russians are feeling it, but at the same time when oil prices go up again the Rouble will strengthen again.

Which again has nothing at all to do with the fact they are not in a good place right now.


A lower currency is actual good for export and by so an economy, so it also has its advantages.

Except they can't export due to sanctions, and their main export is what is being targeted, destroying their economy.


Right now the Rouble stands at 33.75% loss compared to 40 to the Dollar.

It's been over .03 for years. It dipped to about .013, and is currently .018 and dropping again. the year to date loss is about 50%. That is despite them raising their interest rate from 10.5% to 17%.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 02:11 AM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

With free floating it is where it should be with the oil price being as it is.

Which has nothing to do with the argument being made. Of course it is where it belongs due to sanctions. That's the exact argument I made, and you just said was right .. despite your yammering it's wrong.


Russia chooses to let it free float and not to peg it, so the ordinary Russians are feeling it, but at the same time when oil prices go up again the Rouble will strengthen again.

Which again has nothing at all to do with the fact they are not in a good place right now.


A lower currency is actual good for export and by so an economy, so it also has its advantages.

Except they can't export due to sanctions, and their main export is what is being targeted, destroying their economy.


Right now the Rouble stands at 33.75% loss compared to 40 to the Dollar.

It's been over .03 for years. It dipped to about .013, and is currently .018 and dropping again. the year to date loss is about 50%. That is despite them raising their interest rate from 10.5% to 17%.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 02:34 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Like I said, the Dollar is strong at the moment, just look at other currencies and the pricing of other stuff.

Sure they can and are exporting to the countries which they were exporting to before, they were merely importing from Western countries products and exporting resources to them which is still happening.

It`s more wishful thinking from biased people to think the same thing as in `90 and `98 will happen again, Russia is in a much better position now as back then. They will feel it, but not to that extend they won`t be able to weather it out.

Don`t believe all the doom articles about Russia which are deliberately put out by Western media outlets to try and create another colour revolution. I predict it will fail because of the much better fundamentals of the Russian economy now compared to those other times. Most Russians are not that stupid to see what waits for them if they do, they have seen what has happened to Iraq, Libya, Syria and The Ukraine.
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posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 03:31 AM
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originally posted by: MrSpad
Of every conflict on earth right now both sides are mostly using Russian or Chinese weapons. The exception would have been Israel and Gaza before the ceasefire.


Sorry to resurrect a dead comment, but on a study we did a couple years ago (2012) we found that the weapons in various third world persistent conflicts were primarily Czech, Serbian, Chinese, American, Russian, Serbian, Israeli, Polish, Romanian, roughly in that order. I was particularly surprised by the Czechs.

Most people are thrown off by the types of weapons, for example AKMs are or were manufactured in every one of those countries at some point, and find their way throughout conflicts. M16s are also made in China under the name Norinco CQ... old M16s made by Colt USA were shipped by the buttload to Syrian rebels though. You can tell by the mounting system that they are outdated post-vietnam versions.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 03:32 AM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Like I said, the Dollar is strong at the moment, just look at other currencies and the pricing of other stuff.

Lie. Euro and Pound changed by 10% or less. Ruble about 50%. Russia had to up the interest rate to 17%.


Sure they can and are exporting to the countries which they were exporting to before, they were merely importing from Western countries products and exporting resources to them which is still happening.

It`s more wishful thinking from biased people to think the same thing as in `90 and `98 will happen again, Russia is in a much better position now as back then. They will feel it, but not to that extend they won`t be able to weather it out.

Lie. Their major export is getting smashed by current oil prices.


Don`t believe all the doom articles about Russia which are deliberately put out by Western media outlets to try and create another colour revolution. I predict it will fail because of the much better fundamentals of the Russian economy now compared to those other times. Most Russians are not that stupid to see what waits for them if they do, they have seen what has happened to Iraq, Libya, Syria and The Ukraine.

What about Russia itself saying they need adapt their budget to "new economic realities"?



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 04:03 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

They had a lot of surplus money, so they now have some less, they just need to make more sound decisions now, not a big deal.

Wake me up when Russia starts doing things like deliberately letting businesses collapse to attack the European banks, stop gas supplies to Europe or going the Gold standard...if not, Russia isn`t in a dire situation.

Does this sound desperate to you ?

Russia to supply coal to Ukraine without prepayment - Ukrainian ministry

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posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 04:33 AM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

They had a lot of surplus money, so they now have some less, they just need to make more sound decisions now, not a big deal.

And what they have is half of what it used to be, since the Ruple has devalued by 50%


Wake me up when Russia starts doing things like deliberately letting businesses collapse to attack the European banks, stop gas supplies to Europe or going the Gold standard...if not, Russia isn`t in a dire situation.

So because the sky is not falling everything is perfect? Funny.


Does this sound desperate to you ?

Russia to supply coal to Ukraine without prepayment - Ukrainian ministry

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You forgot to add this.

"these shipments will help resolve the problems of energy supplies to Crimea."



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 04:44 AM
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originally posted by: MrSpad
India has been complaining about Russia being unable to supply weapons purchases on time or at all which is why India has begun some heavy buying from the US, Israel and Europe. The US just surpassed Russia in arms sales to India this year. So France delaying a purchase like this makes India view France as just as unreliable as the Russians.

Of course if your France and you go through with the sale with tensions so high and something were to break out between Russia and NATO and those ships ended up killing NATO military memebers or civilians in particular thier own people, the political fall out at home would be massive. Not an easy position for France to be in. And anyone who thinks the US is going to make France decide one way or the other knows nothing about France.


France was quite happy to sell exocets to argentina that were used against a Nato ally, that lives next door.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 06:48 AM
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originally posted by: maddy21
Well, looks like there is tremendous pressure from US to the French to stop suppling these warships ,


The pressure is in the EU levied sanctions. Would this impact other nations dealing with France to buy weapons? Not really. When the dust settles, the ships will probably end up in Russia anyway.

Regards



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 06:58 AM
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Wasn't this thread about Rafale to India? Not ships to Russia.

France has recently, (twice) been on the receiving end of some pretty evil invasions, it's not threatened by India, but a resurgent Russia flexing its poor bully boy tactics at the end of a corridor that ends the other side in France, would make France a bit mental to sell them arms...



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 07:16 AM
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Also to the OP, Rafael is a footballer, an artist and probably some other ancient gumf!

The French fighter bomber is called Rafale.

It may be auto correct spelling but in any case it just not that good ♓️


I'm British so I can't accept it might be better than EFA!




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