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Yea, I'm next. Care to back up your opinion with any hard boiled facts? I don't think you have any other than your feelings are hurt as you look at this issue emotionally rather than rationally using hard math.
originally posted by: Wildbob77
Also, who will eat at those places if it costs so much?
According to a study released in October, only 13 percent of fast-food workers get health-insurance benefits at work. In New York State, three in five have received some form of government assistance in the last five years. Meanwhile, executive pay and profits in the industry are on the rise. Last winter, Bloomberg News determined that it would take a Chicago McDonald’s worker who earns $8.25 an hour more than a century on the clock to match the $8.75 million that the company’s chief executive made in 2011.
The classic image of the high-school student flipping Big Macs after class is sorely out of date. Because of lingering unemployment and a relative abundance of fast-food jobs, older workers are increasingly entering the industry. These days, according to the National Employment Law Project, the average age of fast-food workers is 29. Forty percent are 25 or older; 31 percent have at least attempted college; more than 26 percent are parents raising children. Union organizers say that one-third to one-half of them have more than one job — like Mr. Shoy, who is 58 and supports a wife and children.
If you're a teenager walking into a McDonald's (MCD +0.06%), Burger King (BKW -1.65%) or Yum Brands' (YUM +0.95%) Taco Bell, chances are the person behind the counter isn't a friend or classmate but one of their parents.
NBC News notes that the recession grayed the fast-food workforce a bit, with 42% of restaurant and fast-food employees now over the age of 25. All of those older workers have at least some college education, including 753,000 with a bachelor’s degree or higher, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Older people with work experience are increasingly taking jobs in the service industry, making it challenging for teens to find entry-level jobs at fast-food restaurants and grocery stores, said Cheryl A. Mayforth, executive director of the Workplace employment agency, 1000 Coffeen St. Job prospects for teens also have been diminished by high unemployment in the north country, she said. In December, Jefferson County posted the second highest jobless rate in the state, tying with Hamilton County at 9.1 percent. Lewis County was the third highest at 8.9 percent.
“It’s a trend locally — older workers are taking the place of the young,” Mrs. Mayforth said. “All you have to do is go through a drive-thru restaurant and you’ll see a different face than you’re used to. There are not a lot of younger people that have those jobs here.”
This is a complex issue.
I don't look down on those who mow lawns or flip burgers as I love yard work and cooking.
But to expect them to get $15.00 a hour is ludicrous. It's not hard work. They are entry level positions. It's as simple as that.
originally posted by: criticalhit
sheesh, a lot of people just finding every reason for it to be legal to sweat shop people....
Laws can be made to prevent businesses from price gouging if they have to pay a living wage.
Running a business is not JUST a profit making endeavor it's a public service as well and if anyone isn't willing to treat it as such they don't deserve the privilege and should loose it.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TrueBrit
The problem with that is this:
Who guarantees all that? A market is always in flux, and when you have someone who tries to fix a variable in the system, it distorts the market in strange and often unpleasant and unintended ways.
originally posted by: Libertygal
originally posted by: Urantia1111
a reply to: TDawgRex
Maybe if these restaurants are forced to pay $15 per hour, they'll insist on decent intelligent workers and not just hire any brain dead moron off the street. I'd gladly pay a couple extra bucks for my food. Might boost the quality of the whole fast food experience.
Do you not see the irony in this?
These are low paying jobs, for a reason. Because morons need jobs, too.
By raising the pay, and thereby requiring the intelligence quotient to be higher, you are thereby eliminating the ability of those morons to get any job.
Then, we are right back where we started.
These are entry level jobs, for a reason. They give people a chance to start at the bottom, like we all must do, and get a foothold, and move up the ladder.
Only the morons who cannot, or, lack the will, or intelligence quotient, do not move up the ladder.
So, some people think morons should be paid the same as smart, strong willed, hard working people that are willing to sacrifice to move up. Then, there is no gap, right? Any moron can now be a CEO, and if you refuse them that position, you are therefor racist or classist.
The problem is, by raising minimum wage, and creating a new class of worker, you are making the job market even smaller for morons.
Why not, instead, just come out and say it? Idiots deserve CEO pay, too? That's really the end game here, isn't it?
These jobs are a way of seperating the wheat from the chafe. Sorry, but that's the reality of it. You work hard, you move up, you move out, you move on, and do better. You earn what you deserve.
This is creating a whole class of people that want the same pay because they are a warm body, showing up, doing a half arsed job, wanting a paycheck. The people with the real drive get stuck pulling the weight, proving their worth, then, moving on.
And guess what? The morons remain behind, awaiting the new influx of newbies, who repeat the same cycle. The morons that are lifeless, dormant, and unwilling to change, that force others to pull their weight, that force others to prove their worth, that will again, move up, move on, and become more successful.
They now want what those that move up, move on, and become more successful want.
What ever happened to the simple concept, if you don't like the job, or the pay, get another job?!
But, you see, the people who have their hands out, wanting more for nothing, have learned by placation, that they don't have to work harder or work smarter.
Just gritch and moan loud enough, and soon, someone may placate you.
In reality, they are being used, however. Yes, victimized.
The real story, and ask yourselves why, why are the Unions, who have NO stake in this game (these are non-union companies that will never be union), so strongly behind this?i
I can answer that for you. I have, many, many times.
If the minimum wage goes up, Unions get a raise by default! No negotiations! Bam! Fat pay raise! At LEAST 15%!
The Unions are using these people like little puppets, and the morons are too stupid to see it, and they are eating it up.
The Unions get a FAT raise, and guess what? Union Labor Pools get smaller, because they just eradicated a whooole group of people that MAY have had a chance at an entry level, non-experienced workers job.
Once it happens, the Labor Unions will only hire from within, because it costs too much to train morons that simply show up for a paycheck, and work off the backs of others!
Even the Uinions KNOW this, are happy about it, because it greatly increased their pay, and hugely decreases job competition.
But, the morons are too stupid to see, they are shooting themselves in the foot.
What you once used to have to work for, work your way up the ladder, everyone wants from an entry level, out of highschool, first job.
Big fat clue. If you are still working at McDonald's, and are not a Senior making a little extra pay on top of SS, or, are over 18, and only gotten one 10 cent raise, YOU ARE A LOSER!
If you stay, you have the problem. If you bend over and ask for it, you get what you deserve. If you can't do better, you should have stayed in school. If you need more money, quit smoking!
Have kids you can't pay for? Wrap the whopper!
I am sick of paying for everyone elses lazy, lacsidasical attitude when me, and millions like me all started out the same, and moved up and moved on.
If you can't get past an entry level job, look within. The problem is YOU, not the company!
And lastly, who do you think you are to walk in, sign an employment agreement, then CRY about it?! Get a life.
And yes, I am tiiiired of wearing kid gloves, because I might upset someone. Soneone needs to speak the truth, once and for all. And being nice doesn't seem to get the point across.
If they raise minimum wage, Unions will be the only winners, many will be lifetime unemployed, and businesses will close, because no one will pay that, for fast food.
Maybe, afterall, that is the end goal.
Nanny state, with Michelle Obama telling you how you can, and cannot, spend your food stamps. Like someone said, be careful what you ask for, you may just get it.
I know I will get a fat juicy raise. But, then, I cook at home, and worked my way up. No shortage of jobs for me.
originally posted by: nonnez
Well maybe the execs could cut down some of their pay and bonuses to help out as well. Seems like they have some pretty decent earnings compared to their workers. Here is an example of MCDONALD'S CORP pay:
MCDONALD'S CORP - EXECUTIVE PAYOUTS
If everyone does their part then we could afford a higher minimum-wage. I don't necessarily think it should be as high as 15.00 per hour but certainly higher than it currently is.