a reply to: Bluesma
I don't want to go into a psychoanalyzation of Itisnowagain.... I prefer, when possible, to let each person speak for themself, though at times I
fail to stick to that completely.
For me (and my mind), I'm always attentive to these things. It comes with being a clinician and working with people who have problems.
In general, I only get "caught up in it" when the person presents obvious social difficulties. Denying the "reality" of the world each of us
inhabit and relate with, in some essential way, is problematic. Of course, many spiritual traditions treat the monastic worldview as meaningful.
Problem is, unbeknonwst to so many of these people, they're dealing with - and still are unable to work through - an unresolved trauma.
AS so many books on trauma and the body point out: "the body keeps score", by Bassel Van Der Kolk, "The body bears the Burden", by Robert Scaer;
The Body and Trauma, by Pat Ogden (and still many more), people who've experienced intense trauma early in their life grow up living in a
dissociated, disembodied way. As a palliative, they often find a spiritual tradition that helps them with their problems. Problem is, it helps by
lengthening and widening the dissociation between psyche and soma: as winnicot said, mental health is when the psyche and soma combine to give us a
deeper and more alive feeling of living.
That's all I mean by "psychoanalyzing" itsnowagain. I don't mean to be mean; although I do feel irritated with his highly dissociative -
unresponsive - ways of relating with people; as if we were empty containers waiting to be filled by his dissociative "wisdom". That irks me. But
I'm drawn to comment on it because I know so much (and spend so much time) studyng the neuroscientific and biopsychosocial dimensions of
Dissociation is a very real, very relevant topic in todays neuroscience and psychological thinking. Freud kicked it out. Freud rejected the work of
Charcot and Janet. But dissocation could not be denied. Today its a basic idea in cognitive science and clinical psychology.
In case you're wondering why I "always talk abut it" - its important to pay attention to. It's the process by which self-states become separated
from one another. It's the process by which secret parts of self influence present thought processes/ Important stuff, if you ask me.
descend back down that mountain, and engage in that reality.
Life is a gift. I had a traumatic upbringing. Raised by a woman with borderline personality disorder; I witnessed multiple suicide attempts by my
mother and because of her and the attention she needed my problems went under the radar; I developed developmental trauma. I coudn't speak or
socialize. I couldn't do much of anything. And like itsnowagain, I, unknowingly, took refuge in a dissociative philosopy. Safely out of life, I felt
a implicist derision for living and for anyone who cared for it. But you know what: it was fear. It was always fear, masquarading behind the semblance
of "spiritual knowledge". I stayed away because I FELT I couldn't handle it.
Truth is. The world matters very much. And whats also truly, paradoxically, you have to experience how deeply created it is by our own subjectivity
(at some level; there is, still, an objective world "out there') for you to be removed enough to choose for yourself how you want to be with others.
Because of this, I am able to laugh and joke and be frivolous and silly with other people with very little objective awareness or concern for how i
look. I am choosing this, because I want to be with people. I want to be involved in the world. And I want to contribute towards creating a more