US Dismisses Plea for Biological Disaster Response Teams (EBOLA)

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
Why does the title say that the US dismisses and not the world dismisses. Everybody insists that America is not the world's police force but they expect America to jump at every crisis. China has invested loads of money in Africa lately, why are they not being questioned about not helping. This should be a world problem not an American problem.
And why is nobody calling out obama? He runs the country after all.

China and others have:

The cost of getting supplies needed to West African countries to get the Ebola crisis under control will be at least $600 million, Dr David Nabarro, the senior United Nations Coordinator for Ebola Disease, told reporters on Wednesday.

...

The U.S. government "has been a very strong supporter" of WHO's efforts in the outbreak, she added, naming countries including China, South Africa, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, France, Kuwait, and Canada as providing logistical, medical or other support.

Link.

But none of it is enough.

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Restricted
a reply to: crazyewok

If you were an American you'd understand how sick we are of being the "go to" country. We're broke and we're tired.

It's time for other countries to stick their necks out there and give.

If I was a American Id want a threat to my nation dealt with and not want it here killing my own people.

Kinda how I feel about the UK I want the UK acting too for national security and stopping a threat to the UK people.

We should all be acting.

Well, you're not American, so that solves that now doesn't it.

Thank god.

How can you support taking out one threat ISIS while ignoring a more deadly threat to the nation Ebola?

What logic and sense is there to that?

But I am a Brit and I want my own country to act in the interests of REAL national security.

originally posted by: namehere
a reply to: Restricted

*sighs* i wish those like yourself would stop whining like children, geez what is that crap. when you have the power it becomes your responsibility to be the "go to guy" so to speak. to ignore plights of others will only curse our future when we might need help ourselves.

Crawl back under your Socialist rock. Pay attention to what is happening to our country while you're under there. We are dying from the inside out because we've been sucked dry by the rest of the planet.

Ebola is either being ignored, or allowed to run it's course by world governments.

Private charity and international medical organizations are and have been screaming from the hills about how big a danger this is.

When government finally does decide to act, it will be too late.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Restricted
a reply to: crazyewok

If you were an American you'd understand how sick we are of being the "go to" country. We're broke and we're tired.

It's time for other countries to stick their necks out there and give.

If I was a American Id want a threat to my nation dealt with and not want it here killing my own people.

Kinda how I feel about the UK I want the UK acting too for national security and stopping a threat to the UK people.

We should all be acting.

Well, you're not American, so that solves that now doesn't it.

Thank god.

How can you support taking out one threat ISIS while ignoring a more deadly threat to the nation Ebola?

What logic and sense is there to that?

But I am a Brit and I want my own country to act in the interests of REAL national security.

It's funny how you can insult America, and Americans, yet ask for our help. ISIS has nothing to do with this, stop bringing up off topic issues. If you want to talk ISIS, go do it in the ISIS threads, there's plenty. This is about Ebola and the U.S. giving money.

And, let me tell you this. The U.S. will come through, like we always do, and save the world by sending money, technology and sacrifice our own people by putting them on the ground in that hell hole. And, when they do, if you say one more negative thing about the U.S., I'll know exactly what you're about and I'm going to call you on it every chance I get, even if it gets me banned from here.

I reread this article and the title is misleading and false. The U.S. is not dismissing aid at all. The U.S. is determining what course of action to take and is helping out in other ways.

You people have to stop bashing so much. You act as if we're doing nothing because we won't send a team over there when we already have doctors on the ground who have been infected themselves.

a reply to: OptimusCrime

I disagree with the USA decision on this and that makes me a American hater?


and notice Im not insulting ALL Americans only some there are many American I respect and many things I respect about America. I know most Americans are smart enough to see this as the threat it is.

But like my own country there are many things I don't respect.

And it not off topic. You ignore the issue. How can the issue ignore a real threat to its national security? IE Ebola being yet cool intervening in the ME?

Its a relevant question. Ebola is a threat to the US people so how can you ignore it?

And if you had bothered to read my posts at no point did I say the USA should be acting alone. I dam well want my on UK in the fight too, I firmly believe it should be a world effort.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: OptimusCrime

I disagree with the USA decision on this and that makes me a American hater?


and notice Im not insulting ALL American there are many American I respect and many things I respect about America.

But like my own country there are many things I don't respect.

And it not off topic. You ignore the issue. How can the issue ignore a real threat to its national security? IE Ebola being yet cool intervening in the ME?

Its a relevant question. Ebola is a threat to the US people so how can you ignore it?

And if you had bothered to read my posts at no point did I say the USA should be acting alone. I dam well want my on UK in the fight too, I firmly believe it should be a world effort.

You didn't read the article, you jumped at the headline and the little paragraph. We're helping out so find a new topic to rant about the U.S. over.

It's not being ignored. Your point is mute.

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: OptimusCrime

I disagree with the USA decision on this and that makes me a American hater?


and notice Im not insulting ALL American there are many American I respect and many things I respect about America.

But like my own country there are many things I don't respect.

And it not off topic. You ignore the issue. How can the issue ignore a real threat to its national security? IE Ebola being yet cool intervening in the ME?

Its a relevant question. Ebola is a threat to the US people so how can you ignore it?

And if you had bothered to read my posts at no point did I say the USA should be acting alone. I dam well want my on UK in the fight too, I firmly believe it should be a world effort.

You didn't read the article, you jumped at the headline and the little paragraph. We're helping out so find a new topic to rant about the U.S. over.

It's not being ignored. Your point is mute.

I agree my point is moot. I made a mistake, I was busy and didn't read the source properly , something I rarely do. I hold my hands up and admit Im wrong.

originally posted by: OptimusCrime
I reread this article and the title is misleading and false. The U.S. is not dismissing aid at all. The U.S. is determining what course of action to take and is helping out in other ways.

You people have to stop bashing so much. You act as if we're doing nothing because we won't send a team over there when we already have doctors on the ground who have been infected themselves.

a reply to: crazyewok

The title is accurate - neither false nor misleading. The US is dismissing aka "rebutting" the call for MUCH NEEDED specialized biological disaster response teams. West Africa does not have trained manpower. The fact that Reuters buried the info halfway down the article does not mean it's not important. Again:

A senior U.S. official rebutted a call from global aid organization Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) for wealthy nations to deploy specialized biological disaster response teams to the region. ….

"I don't think at this point deploying biological incident response teams is exactly what's needed," said Gayle Smith, Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Development and Democracy on the National Security Council.

She said the U.S. government was focusing on rapidly increasing the number of Ebola treatment centers in affected countries, providing protective equipment, and training local staff. "We will see a considerable ramp-up in the coming days and weeks. If we find it is still moving out of control, we will look at other options," Smith told a conference call.

originally posted by: soficrow

originally posted by: OptimusCrime
I reread this article and the title is misleading and false. The U.S. is not dismissing aid at all. The U.S. is determining what course of action to take and is helping out in other ways.

You people have to stop bashing so much. You act as if we're doing nothing because we won't send a team over there when we already have doctors on the ground who have been infected themselves.

a reply to: crazyewok

The title is accurate - neither false nor misleading. The US is dismissing aka "rebutting" the call for MUCH NEEDED specialized biological disaster response teams. West Africa does not have trained manpower. The fact that Reuters buried the info halfway down the article does not mean it's not important. Again:

A senior U.S. official rebutted a call from global aid organization Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) for wealthy nations to deploy specialized biological disaster response teams to the region. ….

"I don't think at this point deploying biological incident response teams is exactly what's needed," said Gayle Smith, Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Development and Democracy on the National Security Council.

She said the U.S. government was focusing on rapidly increasing the number of Ebola treatment centers in affected countries, providing protective equipment, and training local staff. "We will see a considerable ramp-up in the coming days and weeks. If we find it is still moving out of control, we will look at other options," Smith told a conference call.

She said the U.S. government was focusing on rapidly increasing the number of Ebola treatment centers in affected countries, providing protective equipment, and training local staff. "We will see a considerable ramp-up in the coming days and weeks. If we find it is still moving out of control, we will look at other options," Smith told a conference call.

It is misleading, it says right there in black and white that if they see a need they'll send them, as in the other options quote. They are not dismissing it, they're just not ready to do it YET.

That is why she said "at this point".

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: soficrow

originally posted by: OptimusCrime
I reread this article and the title is misleading and false. The U.S. is not dismissing aid at all. The U.S. is determining what course of action to take and is helping out in other ways.

You people have to stop bashing so much. You act as if we're doing nothing because we won't send a team over there when we already have doctors on the ground who have been infected themselves.

a reply to: crazyewok

The title is accurate - neither false nor misleading. The US is dismissing aka "rebutting" the call for MUCH NEEDED specialized biological disaster response teams. West Africa does not have trained manpower. The fact that Reuters buried the info halfway down the article does not mean it's not important. Again:

A senior U.S. official rebutted a call from global aid organization Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) for wealthy nations to deploy specialized biological disaster response teams to the region. ….

"I don't think at this point deploying biological incident response teams is exactly what's needed," said Gayle Smith, Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Development and Democracy on the National Security Council.

She said the U.S. government was focusing on rapidly increasing the number of Ebola treatment centers in affected countries, providing protective equipment, and training local staff. "We will see a considerable ramp-up in the coming days and weeks. If we find it is still moving out of control, we will look at other options," Smith told a conference call.

She said the U.S. government was focusing on rapidly increasing the number of Ebola treatment centers in affected countries, providing protective equipment, and training local staff. "We will see a considerable ramp-up in the coming days and weeks. If we find it is still moving out of control, we will look at other options," Smith told a conference call.

It is misleading, it says right there in black and white that if they see a need they'll send them, as in the other options quote. They are not dismissing it, they're just not ready to do it YET.

Exactly. She is dismissing and rebutting the plea for the immediate deployment of MUCH NEEDED specialized biological disaster response teams - and offering to "train local staff" instead.

originally posted by: soficrow

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: soficrow

originally posted by: OptimusCrime
I reread this article and the title is misleading and false. The U.S. is not dismissing aid at all. The U.S. is determining what course of action to take and is helping out in other ways.

You people have to stop bashing so much. You act as if we're doing nothing because we won't send a team over there when we already have doctors on the ground who have been infected themselves.

a reply to: crazyewok

The title is accurate - neither false nor misleading. The US is dismissing aka "rebutting" the call for MUCH NEEDED specialized biological disaster response teams. West Africa does not have trained manpower. The fact that Reuters buried the info halfway down the article does not mean it's not important. Again:

A senior U.S. official rebutted a call from global aid organization Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) for wealthy nations to deploy specialized biological disaster response teams to the region. ….

"I don't think at this point deploying biological incident response teams is exactly what's needed," said Gayle Smith, Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Development and Democracy on the National Security Council.

She said the U.S. government was focusing on rapidly increasing the number of Ebola treatment centers in affected countries, providing protective equipment, and training local staff. "We will see a considerable ramp-up in the coming days and weeks. If we find it is still moving out of control, we will look at other options," Smith told a conference call.

She said the U.S. government was focusing on rapidly increasing the number of Ebola treatment centers in affected countries, providing protective equipment, and training local staff. "We will see a considerable ramp-up in the coming days and weeks. If we find it is still moving out of control, we will look at other options," Smith told a conference call.

It is misleading, it says right there in black and white that if they see a need they'll send them, as in the other options quote. They are not dismissing it, they're just not ready to do it YET.

Exactly. She is dismissing and rebutting the plea for MUCH NEEDED specialized biological disaster response teams - and offering to "train local staff" instead.

Wrong, she's not dismissing it, just because it doesn't happen now, does not mean it never will. When you dismiss something, you are done with it. Which is not true in what she said. You can't just add in "rebutting" out of nowhere.

Like I said above. She said "at this point". Now, you could say "US not ready to send biological response teams just yet". That would be true. But, that wouldn't get you hits on your post, now would it?

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: soficrow

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: soficrow

originally posted by: OptimusCrime
I reread this article and the title is misleading and false. The U.S. is not dismissing aid at all. The U.S. is determining what course of action to take and is helping out in other ways.

You people have to stop bashing so much. You act as if we're doing nothing because we won't send a team over there when we already have doctors on the ground who have been infected themselves.

a reply to: crazyewok

The title is accurate - neither false nor misleading. The US is dismissing aka "rebutting" the call for MUCH NEEDED specialized biological disaster response teams. West Africa does not have trained manpower. The fact that Reuters buried the info halfway down the article does not mean it's not important. Again:

A senior U.S. official rebutted a call from global aid organization Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) for wealthy nations to deploy specialized biological disaster response teams to the region. ….

"I don't think at this point deploying biological incident response teams is exactly what's needed," said Gayle Smith, Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Development and Democracy on the National Security Council.

She said the U.S. government was focusing on rapidly increasing the number of Ebola treatment centers in affected countries, providing protective equipment, and training local staff. "We will see a considerable ramp-up in the coming days and weeks. If we find it is still moving out of control, we will look at other options," Smith told a conference call.

She said the U.S. government was focusing on rapidly increasing the number of Ebola treatment centers in affected countries, providing protective equipment, and training local staff. "We will see a considerable ramp-up in the coming days and weeks. If we find it is still moving out of control, we will look at other options," Smith told a conference call.

It is misleading, it says right there in black and white that if they see a need they'll send them, as in the other options quote. They are not dismissing it, they're just not ready to do it YET.

Exactly. She is dismissing and rebutting the plea for MUCH NEEDED specialized biological disaster response teams - and offering to "train local staff" instead.

Wrong, she's not dismissing it, just because it doesn't happen now, does not mean it never will. When you dismiss something, you are done with it. Which is not true in what she said. You can't just add in "rebutting" out of nowhere.

Like I said above. She said "at this point". Now, you could say "US not ready to send biological response teams just yet". That would be true. But, that wouldn't get you hits on your post, now would it?

The source article says "rebutting" - I'm not "adding it in out of nowhere." About those "not yet" and "wait-and-see" qualifiers.....

By the first week of September, experts' warnings were dire:

* The Ebola epidemic in West Africa is accelerating.
* It is spiraling out of control.
* It's not under control anywhere.
* The window for getting it under control is closing.
* The longer the epidemic goes uncontained, the more likely the virus will mutate and evolve.
* Ebola already may be airborne in monkeys - if the virus mutates to be airborne in humans, it will ravage the globe.


The epidemic is already out of control - and there's just a short window left to contain it. So even delaying deployment of specialized biological response teams when they are needed immediately is equivalent to refusing. Next week or next month will be too late. According to the medical experts.

originally posted by: soficrow

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: soficrow

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: soficrow

originally posted by: OptimusCrime
I reread this article and the title is misleading and false. The U.S. is not dismissing aid at all. The U.S. is determining what course of action to take and is helping out in other ways.

You people have to stop bashing so much. You act as if we're doing nothing because we won't send a team over there when we already have doctors on the ground who have been infected themselves.

a reply to: crazyewok

The title is accurate - neither false nor misleading. The US is dismissing aka "rebutting" the call for MUCH NEEDED specialized biological disaster response teams. West Africa does not have trained manpower. The fact that Reuters buried the info halfway down the article does not mean it's not important. Again:

A senior U.S. official rebutted a call from global aid organization Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) for wealthy nations to deploy specialized biological disaster response teams to the region. ….

"I don't think at this point deploying biological incident response teams is exactly what's needed," said Gayle Smith, Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Development and Democracy on the National Security Council.

She said the U.S. government was focusing on rapidly increasing the number of Ebola treatment centers in affected countries, providing protective equipment, and training local staff. "We will see a considerable ramp-up in the coming days and weeks. If we find it is still moving out of control, we will look at other options," Smith told a conference call.

She said the U.S. government was focusing on rapidly increasing the number of Ebola treatment centers in affected countries, providing protective equipment, and training local staff. "We will see a considerable ramp-up in the coming days and weeks. If we find it is still moving out of control, we will look at other options," Smith told a conference call.

It is misleading, it says right there in black and white that if they see a need they'll send them, as in the other options quote. They are not dismissing it, they're just not ready to do it YET.

Exactly. She is dismissing and rebutting the plea for MUCH NEEDED specialized biological disaster response teams - and offering to "train local staff" instead.

Wrong, she's not dismissing it, just because it doesn't happen now, does not mean it never will. When you dismiss something, you are done with it. Which is not true in what she said. You can't just add in "rebutting" out of nowhere.

Like I said above. She said "at this point". Now, you could say "US not ready to send biological response teams just yet". That would be true. But, that wouldn't get you hits on your post, now would it?

The source article says "rebutting" - I'm not "adding it in out of nowhere." About those "not yet" and "wait-and-see" qualifiers.....

By the first week of September, experts' warnings were dire:

* The Ebola epidemic in West Africa is accelerating.
* It is spiraling out of control.
* It's not under control anywhere.
* The window for getting it under control is closing.
* The longer the epidemic goes uncontained, the more likely the virus will mutate and evolve.
* Ebola already may be airborne in monkeys - if the virus mutates to be airborne in humans, it will ravage the globe.


The epidemic is already out of control - and there's just a short window left to contain it. So dismissing the call for specialized biological response teams when they are needed is equivalent to refusing. Next week or next month will be too late.

See, here's the problem I have with this. You're supposed to be a writer, correct? You're subjecting your own thoughts and judgments into the title of an article. Just because YOU think it may be too long, they obviously don't (THE US). So, if you would like to use an article, plus quote it, as a writer you should stick to the facts of the article. Not bias it in any way as to inject time frames made up in your head or miss-lead readers.

I agree, the people want them there now. But, the U.S. is doing what they can now and said they're not at the point to send anyone. They are not saying they won't or dismissing the idea in any way, shape, or form. Can we agree on that?

Just a wag... but if they are holding back on sending specialist en mass, they may possibly consider it enough of a threat that the risk/reward isn't enough in the black to warrant shipping our best and brightest to an area where they could be gunned down by a people in panic.

Which would leave us on the short end of the stick when/if it reaches the US in any major numbers.

Like I said just a wag as to why they are slow playing things in Africa versus a full court press.

a reply to: OptimusCrime

The "rule" saying threads have to use the source article's title verbatim applies to Breaking Alternative News - NOT regular forums. By your terms, ATS would have to delete 9/10's of the entire site. ...As you know, I stuck to the facts:

ALL of the medical people involved say the epidemic is already out of control - and there's just a short window left to contain it. Not sure what part of "out of control, short window left for containment" you do not understand. ...?

But I'm sure you will agree that even delaying deployment of specialized biological response teams when they are needed immediately is equivalent to refusing. We good with that?

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Just a wag... but if they are holding back on sending specialist en mass, they may possibly consider it enough of a threat that the risk/reward isn't enough in the black to warrant shipping our best and brightest to an area where they could be gunned down by a people in panic.

Which would leave us on the short end of the stick when/if it reaches the US in any major numbers.

Like I said just a wag as to why they are slow playing things in Africa versus a full court press.

I agree. After some of the volunteers that went there and ended up sick, they're probably not going to risk any more people, and it's smart to do that. We can back them with funds and other resources but no reason to throw others into the flame.

originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: OptimusCrime

The "rule" saying threads have to use the source article's title verbatim applies to Breaking Alternative News - NOT regular forums. By your terms, ATS would have to delete 9/10's of the entire site. ...As you know, I stuck to the facts:

ALL of the medical people involve say the epidemic is already out of control - and there's just a short window left to contain it. Not sure what part of "out of control, short window left for containment" you do not understand. ...?

But I'm sure you will agree that even delaying deployment of specialized biological response teams when they are needed immediately is equivalent to refusing. We good with that?

I'm not quoting any rules from ATS, I'm saying your title is miss leading because it implies the U.S. is will to send volunteers. Which is wrong. I have quoted it twice already and the lady said "not at this point". I don't know how much more I can say about this.

When you dismiss something, you are done with it and it's off the table. She is not dismissing it at all. it's still an option, just not right now.

Also, don't try and play that "You don't understand" crap with me like I'm an idiot. I fully understand. "All the medical people involved" have nothing to do with this. What has to do with this is what the U.S. is deciding to do. It's on their timeline as it's them who are offering the help. If they think it's too soon, or too risky to send our people there, they're going to wait and think it over.

Your title is still misleading. I'm not going in circles with this but it is. It's mislead a couple members, one admitted to that already.

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Just a wag... but if they are holding back on sending specialist en mass, they may possibly consider it enough of a threat that the risk/reward isn't enough in the black to warrant shipping our best and brightest to an area where they could be gunned down by a people in panic.

Which would leave us on the short end of the stick when/if it reaches the US in any major numbers.

Like I said just a wag as to why they are slow playing things in Africa versus a full court press.

....After some of the volunteers that went there and ended up sick, they're probably not going to risk any more people,....

That's why the request is for specialized biological response teams - and military personnel to escort health workers into key areas.